Another Pro-gun Candidate Sweeps to Victory!

[MrBenchley]

And what a candidate, too....

"With 86 percent of the primary vote counted Thursday, write-in candidate Dennis Bertrand had just 1,554 votes compared to 7,671, or 83 percent, for James L. Hart, a believer in the discredited, phony science of eugenics.
Hart, 60, vows if elected to work toward keeping "less favored races" from reproducing or immigrating to the United States. In campaign literature, Hart contends that "poverty genes" threaten to turn the United States into "one big Detroit."
While campaigning, Hart sometimes wears a protective vest and carries a .40-caliber pistol, but he said he has run into no trouble.
"When I knock on a door and say white children deserve the same rights as everybody else, the enthusiastic response is truly amazing," he said. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040806/ap_on_el_ho/eugenics_candidate_3

[DarkPhenyx]

1. yeah, he's a jackass.

what's your point?

[billbuckhead]

2. The point is, do you trust whack jobs like this with assault rifles?

Another point is that much of this unlimited gun rights crowd is also associated with white supremecy.

[MrBenchley]

4. How unfair to mention that...and how accurate...

[DarkPhenyx]

8. OK, whatever.

Nice sweaping generalization of a large and diverse crowd.

[MrBenchley]

16. Nope...

Just an accurate observation about what's lurking under the "gun rights" sheet....

[DarkPhenyx]

19. Of course.

Just for informational purposes you are being irrational and extremist again. As we discussed before you don't come across at all believably when you do.

[el_gato]

27. Disarming Democrats in the face of fascism

is tantamount to insanity

[MrBenchley]

29. lew rockwell is the face of fascism

and guess who's sticking up for him?

[DarkPhenyx]

34. You won't hear me argue that point.

It won't really do any good, but at least you get to go down fighting.

[enfield collector]

12. he has a .40 cal pistol. since when is a .40 cal pistol an assualt rifle?

[EstimatedProphet]

71. Do you trust whack jobs like this with rope?

Or with a knife?
Or with gasoline?
Or with ANYTHING?
The problem with this guy is that he's a whack job, not that he owns guns. the white supremacy movement and guns is really disturbing, yes, but that doesn't mean that anyone who is in favor of gun ownership is a white supremacist.

[NorthernSpy]

3. just another reason why progressives should arm themselves

So that people like that don't have all the guns.

The seat he's running for, by the way, is a safely Democratic seat. I'd imagine that more than a few of those Dem voters are pro-gun -- doncha think?


Mary

[MrBenchley]

5. Say what?

So do you think this fuckwit will fetch those voters with this idiotic appeal?

[NorthernSpy]

6. huh?

So do you think this fuckwit will fetch those voters with this idiotic appeal?


Hell no! I think that pro-gun Democrats are going to 86 his sorry ass at the voting booth. As I said, the Democratic incumbent is expected to hold the seat. That will happen with the support of pro-gun Democrats.

Which is as it should be.


:)


Mary

[MrBenchley]

7. I'll bet the Democrat isn't going door to door with a gun

Can those folks really BE sure that our Democrat isn't a "gun grabber"? (snicker)

[NorthernSpy]

9. whether the Dem is a gunner or a grabber...

... he's GOT to be better than a friggin Nazi!

You know already that we value the right to keep and bear arms. Don't you imagine we value other things as well?


Mary

[-..__...]

13. I can assume you've researched his Democratic rival then?

Representative John Tanner (D-TN 8th)

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3197/is_n7_v43/ai_21038633

"ASSC lobbies Congress during annual Washington summit - American Shooting Sports Council
Shooting Industry, July, 1998 by Robert Hausman

The American Shooting Sports Council (ASSC) took the shooting industry to Washington, D.C., April 19-21 for its Sixth Industry Summit. For three days, the council's members met with the nation's lawmakers to discuss the industry and to remind the politicians of the positive contributions the industry makes to the American economy and society".

8<------- Snip

"During a luncheon at Washington's National Democratic Club, Rep. John S. Tanner, (D-Tenn.) was presented the 1998 ASSC Connecticut Valley Firearms Freedom Award. In making the presentation, Richard Feldman, ASSC's executive director, cited Tanner's "dedication and leadership in protecting our cherished Constitutional right to keep and bear arms."

Hmmm, this part is interesting...

"The summit wasn't without its distracters. Even before the summits began, Sarah Brady, Handgun Control Inc. (HCI), sent a note to Feldman, acknowledging his presence in town and challenging him to meet her in the emergency room of the District of Columbia General Hospital to see, in her words, the suffering caused by Feldman's efforts on behalf of the gun industry.

Feldman accepted the challenge and arrived at the hospital at the appointed hour, but Brady did not show. There were, however, members of the news media present, waiting to record the showdown. Rather than touring the hospital, Feldman sent Brady a note stating he found it "inappropriate to subject the hospital's patients to a media event which might cost lives. You, more than most, can appreciate the personal trauma of an injured or ill loved one, and how wrong it would be to be used as a media prop at this vulnerable time. An emergency room is not an appropriate place to debate solutions to our nation's crime problem."



Typical gun-grabbing cowardice and shameless grandstanding.


Lets see what else Rep Tanner has been up to.

He's not a co-sponsor of HR 3831 (To extend the sunset on the assault weapons ban for 10 years).

However, he is a co-sponsor of H.R.1036 (the House companion bill to S 1805).

[MrBenchley]

15. Clearly he represents a benighted and backward cesspool...

"The party could use more people like him. Wouldn't you agree?"
Only if you consider a backwoods toilet where gibberish like "poverty genes threaten to turn the United States into one big Detroit." is the standard of public discouse as some sort of ideal....and judging from the regular rhetoric of our "pro gun democrats" I'm only surprised we haven't got somebody here saying his ideas "merit more discussion."

[-..__...]

17. So....

your opinion is that the district Rep. Tanner represents is a "backwoods toilet"? What an enlightening and liberal thought. What would you suggest... that the 8th district of Tenn. is not worthy or up to your standards therefore they shouldn't have any representation in Washington?

Besides, let's not overlook the fact that it was Hart that made those comments, not Tanner (Unless you have some cite that Tanner agrees with the "poverty genes" comment?).

[iverglas]

21. is there some kind of virus that explains this?

What would you suggest... that the 8th district of Tenn. is not worthy or up to your standards therefore they shouldn't have any representation in Washington?

Why not just ask

What would you suggest... that the 8th district of Tenn. is not worthy or up to your standards therefore they should be shipped to Syria, tortured for a year, returned to the US, forced to march across Death Valley without water, painted blue and thrown into the Pacific Ocean?

?
It would make as much fucking sense as asking the question you did. And it would be just about exactly as ... what was that word? ... CIVIL.

It is NOT civil to make any attempt to portray one's adversaries as anything that you have no smallest basis to think or say they are, or as believing anything that you have not the remotest basis for thinking or saying they think.

When such things are done for the purpose of turning others against them, as is so plainly the case so often in this forum (the only other option being that they are done out of the kind of abject stupidity that makes people really believe that someone else has said, or thinks, something there is not a reason under the sun to believe that s/he has said or thinks), they are called DEMAGOGUERY.

And though "demagoguery"/demagogue and "democracy"/democrat may share a Greek root, they are ANTITHETICAL.

Demagoguery is (and this will be my opinion) the worst enemy and greatest threat to democracy abroad in our little corners of the world today.

To see it on display on an hourly basis (forgive me, I minimize) in this forum is enough to make one despondent.

Well ... if ...

[MrBenchley]

24. You will notice

this fuckwit's openly racist gibberish doesn't seem to bother D_S in the slightest.

[-..__...]

57. Please excuse my ignorance....

but, are you even on the same page as everyone else here? Are you even reading the same book?.... Hello!

Is there some unwritten rule in the "Dummies guide to JP/S" that requires my condemning the "fuckwit's openly racist gibberish" in order to suit you?

Quite frankly, I don't give a rats ass about Hart and/or his comments.

They're so worthless and over the top that it speaks for itself... no further comment or opinion is necessary.

On a more personal level: I find it pointless lowering myself by engaging in the sort of dialog that continually equates guns, gun owners and the RKBA with "racist humholes" and "David Duke".

"They're so worthless and over the top that it speaks for itself... no further comment or opinion is nessicary"... if you get my drift.


So, what is your opinion of Rep Tanner? Just wondering.

[MrBenchley]

58. Hahahahahaha....

I'll stand by what I said...since it's borne out by your posts....

And if you don't like the racist nature of your playmates, maybe you oughtn't jump in the sandbox.....

[-..__...]

63. "since it's borne out by your posts"

What is (bourne ou by my posts)?

[iverglas]

66. well

"What is (bourne ou by my posts)?"

Dog knows, I'd say.

What *is* "bourne ou" by your posts?

[-..__...]

83. Sorry counselor.

I'm looking for your clients response, not yours. But, if you care enough to share I'd like to read your personal opinion about
"What *is* (bourne ou by my posts)?". Surely you must have something to offer besides "typo pouncing"?

BTW... what does "Dog knows" mean. I've never heard it before.

[iverglas]

89. "counselor"?

(<sic> -- of course I know that your strange spelling of "counsellor" wasn't a typo or orthographic error, it was just your local custom, but when writing in my own language, I need to point out that the peculiarity originated in the original)

I don't recall ever claiming to be a person trained to give guidance on personal, social or psychological problems, or even ever to have given out much advice about anything.

Such strange tangents.

[-..__...]

56. "CIVIL"?

C'mon Iver, you know better than that. I don't know what you consider "civil" discourse, but it's a two-way street and we've seen plenty of that from both sides of the issue.

This is, uhhhhhhhh the "Internet". Yeah that's it... the Internet (that thing Al Gore "invented").

(Edit to add: <sarcasm> before anyone gets the wrong idea abou the Al Gore joke)

Yeah, I made that "What would you suggest... that the 8th district of Tenn. is not worthy or up to your standards therefore they shouldn't have any representation in Washington?" comment, and I stand by it.

There's no mystery or deep rooted analogy about "Death Valley", "torture", or "Syria" behind it.

The question still stands.


I know I can be a belligerent asshole at times, but at least I make an attempt to be humorous about it. Not so for others. I wasn't the one who made a blanket statement about a "backwoods toilet".

[iverglas]

65. congratulations

Yeah, I made that "What would you suggest... that the 8th district of Tenn. is not worthy or up to your standards therefore they shouldn't have any representation in Washington?" comment, and I stand by it.

You stand by an obvious and blatant attempt to portray your interlocutor as believing something s/he has given you no indication that s/he believes, and that you have no foundation for thinking that s/he believes, let alone asserting that s/he believes -- where what you are insinuating your interlocutor believes is despicable.

Yeah, willfully misrepresenting your interlocutor and at the same time refusing to address what your interlocutor actually said ... that's civil all right.

You win, eh?

I mean, in the eyes of anyone stupid enough not to see through it, or from the mouth of anyone evil enough to pretend not to see through it.

You should be very proud.


The question still stands.

Oooh ... are you suggesting that I should answer a "question" that was nothing but a falsehood with a question mark at the end?

That one's easy. G'head.

[-..__...]

79. I posted ....

it was "a two way street". Try looking in both directions before you cross; mmmmkay.

[MrBenchley]

81. In fact, it's the dimly lit RKBA alley...

twisted, badly maintained and leading straight into the cesspool....

No wonder it appeals to the bigoted and not very bright...

[-..__...]

82. Projecting again?

"In fact, it's the dimly lit RKBA alley..."
twisted, badly maintained and leading straight into the cesspool....
No wonder it appeals to the bigoted and not very bright..."

LOL!


Weather forecast for Sept 13th, 2004...



"Severe storm approaches continental U.S.".


"Expect heavy street flooding in the North East with thunder showers of Uzis and AK-47s". "Residents of inner cities should be particularly concerned with interment squalls of TEC-9s and MAC-10's"

"Expected flurries of hi-capacity magazines will continue to create severe school related massacres the remainder of the week".

"To cope with the disaster, regional officials have gladly accepted the pro-bono services of Al-Qaeda sanitation cells crews to assist in the clean-up".

"The storm is expected to work it's way West throughout the day, pummeling previously drought stricken areas with "bullet hoses", "killing machines" and "machine guns" for the first time in nearly ten years."

"Initially, extra police services had been assigned to manage and control the onslaught as it spread across the countryside". "That plan was scuttled due to overwhelming concerns regarding officer safety".

"Alternative crews of RKBA enthusiasts and Neo-Nazi organizations have been mobilized to cope with the clean-up".

Storm warnings provided by Brady Campaign Weather Service.

[MrBenchley]

84. Nope...just pointing out what a pantload the RKBA creed is....

[-..__...]

85. Oh, ok.

RKBA creed "Pantload" accepted.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

Just one teensy-weensy problem... I, us, we still have all our guns. What do you propose doing about that?

[iverglas]

91. well hey

"I, us, we still have all our guns. What do you propose doing about that?"

I still have/we still have my/our brains. What do you propose doing about that?

Stopped beating your dog yet?

[iverglas]

90. congratulations

What you posted was a baseless and vile insinuation in the disingenuous form of a question.

If you still haven't grasped the point of the lesson, you could try writing what I said in longhand on the blackboard a few times.

It is NOT civil to make any attempt to portray one's adversaries as anything that you have no smallest basis to think or say they are, or as believing anything that you have not the remotest basis for thinking or saying they think.

When such things are done for the purpose of turning others against them, as is so plainly the case so often in this forum (the only other option being that they are done out of the kind of abject stupidity that makes people really believe that someone else has said, or thinks, something there is not a reason under the sun to believe that s/he has said or thinks), they are called DEMAGOGUERY.

And though "demagoguery"/demagogue and "democracy"/democrat may share a Greek root, they are ANTITHETICAL.

Demagoguery is (and this will be my opinion) the worst enemy and greatest threat to democracy abroad in our little corners of the world today.

Let me know when you're ready, and I'll give you a quiz. Multiple choice and open-book, even.

[NorthernSpy]

41. anti-working class hatred

First the "trailer trash" threads in the Lounge, and now this! Nice damn way to talk about a population that has voted Democratic for years. :eyes:

The gun controllers positively hate the rural working class just for existing. They seem at times to get some kind of perverse joy out of forcing their ways on us.

In fact, they'd gladly destroy the Dems' base of support and throw every election to the repukes rather than tone their high-n-mighty attitudes down a notch.


Mary

[iverglas]

43. whoa, some broad brushing

The gun controllers positively hate the rural working class just for existing.

Gee, who could these "gun controllers" be?

Surely not moi, who has consistently acknowledged the importance of firearms to people who use them for subsistence, traditional aboriginal activities and pest/predator control, and in the tourism businesses that drive local economies in numerous economically disadavantaged areas of my own country.

How bizarre and snobby and arrogant ... high 'n mighty, that was it ... of me to think that the people whose interests I acknowledge, and have no desire to act contrary to, might take my own effete white-collar city-dwelling interests into account when influencing public policy that affects me and a whole lot of people like me. Not to mention their neighbours, and especially the kids and wives among their neighbours. (Those rural menfolk really do shoot their womenfolk at higher rates than us city wimps, up here, anyway.)

No, their convenience, not to say their own prejudices, should be the driving force in public policy. They should not have to store their firearms safely, or register their firearms, or be licensed to possess firearms, because that would all be a big-city plot to strip them of their way of life and trample on their "rights" and treat them like dirt.

It's far too much to ask that *they* follow some rules that wouldn't cause *them* any expense or inconvenience that a decent, sensible person would give a moment's thought to, and that could, if applied across the board, save a few of those worthless city people's lives.

Respect is one of those two-way streets, isn't it?

[MrBenchley]

45. That is hilarious....

Yeah, the kind of voter we should be pandering to is the sort who spouts white supremacist crap like this...or hears it and says "There's a guy with his head on straight".....not!!!!

[MrBenchley]

46. Our "pro gun democrats" in action AGAIN

This fuckwit is a REPUBLICAN...and the people who voted for him are presumably REPUBLICAN.

"They seem at times to get some kind of perverse joy out of forcing their ways on us"
Yeah, koresh knows every farmer needs military weapons and a concealed pistol...never know when those damn squirrels are going to attack...

By the way, let's just rememnber who "us" is, in this context....

"An unabashed racist will represent the Republican party....a believer in the discredited, phony science of eugenics. ....work toward keeping "less favored races" from reproducing or immigrating to the United States. In campaign literature, Hart contends that "poverty genes" threaten to turn the United States into "one big Detroit." ..."

Nice playmate you got there....and you're welcome to him AND his repulsive followers.

[NorthernSpy]

48. so you actually FORGOT which guy you were talking about!

This fuckwit is a REPUBLICAN...and the people who voted for him are presumably REPUBLICAN.

MrBenchley...

Here's what happened.

D___S posted some helpful info about US Rep John Tanner, Democrat of Tennessee's 8th District. And you ungratefully replied:

Clearly he represents a benighted and backward cesspool...

(quoting D___S) "The party could use more people like him. Wouldn't you agree?"

(you again) Only if you consider a backwoods toilet where gibberish like "poverty genes threaten to turn the United States into one big Detroit." is the standard of public discouse as some sort of ideal....and judging from the regular rhetoric of our "pro gun democrats" I'm only surprised we haven't got somebody here saying his ideas "merit more discussion."


In point of fact, Tanner and the Nazi fuckwit are two completely different people.

You seem to be discussing them as though they were the same person. D___S' post was about Tanner. You seem to understand that there is an actual Representative in the mix when you say, "Clearly he represents a benighted and backward cesspool..." That representative, of course, is Mr. Tanner.

However, by the end of your post, you seem to have confused Tanner with the Nazi who will be running against him as a Republican. In response to D___S' question re Tanner (""The party could use more people like him. Wouldn't you agree?""), you say:

Only if you consider a backwoods toilet where gibberish like "poverty genes threaten to turn the United States into one big Detroit." is the standard of public discouse as some sort of ideal....and judging from the regular rhetoric of our "pro gun democrats" I'm only surprised we haven't got somebody here saying his ideas "merit more discussion."

The 'he' to whom "his ideas" belong would be the Nazi, clearly -- not Tanner. It seems that you've gotten them confused. So it's no wonder, really, that you reacted so badly to what you mistakenly thought were defenses of the Nazi, his ideas, and his supporters -- but which were actually defenses of Rep. Tanner and/or his constituents.

Mystery solved!


Mary

[MrBenchley]

50. I didn't forget anything....

Do you consider a place where the public discussion centers around "issues" like "poverty genes threaten to turn the United States into one big Detroit" as some sort of ideal? Sure seems some here do....

"So it's no wonder, really, that you reacted so badly to what you mistakenly thought were defenses of the Nazi, his ideas, and his supporters -- but which were actually defenses of Rep. Tanner and/or his constituents."
Too too funny...so are you trying to pretend that the white supremacist crap being peddled and defended in posts 20, 31, 32, 33, and 36 come from Tanner?

[NorthernSpy]

60. he's YOUR dog, Charlie Brown!

Come to think of it, what makes you so sure that this Nazi -- James Hart -- is a supporter of the Constitutional right of all Americans to keep and bear arms? Don't Nazis generally prefer that their prey be disarmed? Obviously, he has a gun, and I suppose that he'd like for the people who agree with him to have guns as well. But do you seriously think that a Nazi would recognize the right of the people he hopes to abuse to arm themselves for self-defense? I don't.

No playmate of ours!


Too too funny...so are you trying to pretend that the white supremacist crap being peddled and defended in posts 20, 31, 32, 33, and 36 come from Tanner?


You're getting a little incoherent at this point. Mr. Tanner is not participating in this discussion. Nobody has claimed that he was.

It might interest you to know, however, that the author of those posts you cite has also posted opinions in favor of such gun control measures as the AWB. Please see

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=40743&mesg_id=40743


It's a nice long thread. In it, he says of assault weapons that, "as they serve no real need or purpose, and the potential benefit to the public great enough, the ban should not only stand but be strengthened."

He then gets into a rather heated argument on the subject with just about every gunner who frequents this board.


Not exactly one of ours, I'm afraid. Now, what is it you were saying about white supremacists and the crap they write?


Mary

[MrBenchley]

62. Well, that IS funny....

Maybe Hart's toting his popgun door to door because he's not an RKBAer....

Wow, talk about desperation....

[NorthernSpy]

76. you astound me

Maybe Hart's toting his popgun door to door because he's not an RKBAer....

Wow, talk about desperation....


You're telling me that you really do think that Nazis support the right of their victims to arm themselves against Nazis?

Wow...


Mary

[MrBenchley]

77. Gee, spy....

I doubt this fuckwit thinks that far ahead....meanwhile, it's worth noting that he's trudging around with his gun right on his hip...exactly the way some of our "pro gun democrats" were proposing ALL citizens ought to....

[-..__...]

55. Did I say all that?

I guess I did.

In one ear and out the other.

And it's D__S, dammit! Not D___S. :smoke:

[NorthernSpy]

61. thanks for the Tanner info...

... and I apologize for screwing up your handle, D-doublespace-S.

;)


Mary

[-..__...]

53. He's on a roll.

"First the "trailer trash" threads in the Lounge, and now this! Nice damn way to talk about a population that has voted Democratic for years. :eyes:"

Hmmm, let's crunch the numbers...




http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-wfsection+article+articleid-1168.html

Tennessee : 8th District : Representative John S. Tanner (D)


Counties: Benton, Carroll, Crockett, Dickson, Dyer, Gibson, Haywood, Henry, Houston, Humphreys, Lake, Lauderdale, Madison, Montgomery (part), Obion, Shelby (part), Stewart, Tipton, Weakley.

Population (2000), 632,142.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040806/ap_on_el_ho/eugenics_candidate_3

"With 86 percent of the primary vote counted Thursday, write-in candidate Dennis Bertrand had just 1,554 votes compared to 7,671, or 83 percent, for James L. Hart, a believer in the discredited, phony science of eugenics.

7,671

÷

632,142

=

1.21%

=

"a backwoods toilet".

Must be the new "progressive" math.

:shrug:

[el_gato]

26. Good Job D_S, blows the gun grabber bs out the window

"During a luncheon at Washington's National Democratic Club, Rep. John S. Tanner, (D-Tenn.) was presented the 1998 ASSC Connecticut Valley Firearms Freedom Award. In making the presentation, Richard Feldman, ASSC's executive director, cited Tanner's "dedication and leadership in protecting our cherished Constitutional right to keep and bear arms."

[MrBenchley]

28. THIS Richard Feldman?

"Mr. Ricker also explains how the industry consistently silenced dissenters:
* He explains how Bill Bridgewater, founding member of ASSC and head of the National Alliance of Stocking Gun Dealers, was forced off the ASSC board for his "controversial" view that the industry needed to act to stop its continued supply of the illegal market.
* He explains how Richard Feldman, Executive Director of ASSC, was terminated for holding similar views and attempting to move the industry in a responsible direction.
* He explains how ASSC itself was dissolved into the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and his own position eliminated, after he sat down with the Clinton White House to support legislation in the wake of the Columbine High School shootings."

http://www.jointogether.org/plugin.jtml?siteID=seawayprev&p=1&Tab=News&Object_ID=556481

"Major pressure had been placed on the ASSC by the National Rifle Association (NRA) to reject this effort in compromise, and in fact the previous executive director of the organization Richard Feldman had been fired partially due to his attempted negotiations with mayors following the filing of multiple city lawsuits. "

http://www.usmayors.org/USCM/us_mayor_newspaper/documents/05_17_99/gun_washington.htm

"The NRA also played a role in recent removal of the Richard Feldman from the leadership of the ASSC, because Feldman was perceived as being too willing to compromise with industry adversaries."

http://www.rftstl.com/issues/1999-03-31/feature2.html

Some celebration of freedom, all righty...

[iverglas]

10. hmm

just another reason why progressives should arm themselves
So that people like that don't have all the guns.

Is the fact that people like that have, oh, I dunno, ham sandwiches a reason for me to get a few? Maybe I should go buy myself a Stetson and some boots and a pickup truck, just to make sure that the neo-Nazis in Bentley, Alberta, don't have 'em all?

That makes no sense, Mary.

I mean, I guess if I were expecting there to be some big giant pickup-truck rodeo/derby where the winner got to rule Canada, it might be wise for me to get me one.

Are you really and truly, seriously saying that you're expecting there to be some big giant bang-bang shoot-em-up contest where the winner gets to rule the U.S.? Really and truly seriously?

[MrBenchley]

14. Sure seems like our trigger happy friends

are just itching to shoot their fellow citizens and get away with it.

[NorthernSpy]

37. take the World's Most Smallestest Political Quiz!

Is the fact that people like that have, oh, I dunno, ham sandwiches a reason for me to get a few? Maybe I should go buy myself a Stetson and some boots and a pickup truck, just to make sure that the neo-Nazis in Bentley, Alberta, don't have 'em all?




Having read the passage above, please complete the sentence below:


Political power grows out of __________________________ .


A) a ham sandwich
B) a Stetson, plus a matching pair of cowboy boots
C) a pickup-truck
D) the barrel of a gun


Mary

[iverglas]

44. I think you forgot one

Political power grows out of __________________________ .
A) a ham sandwich
B) a Stetson, plus a matching pair of cowboy boots
C) a pickup-truck
D) the barrel of a gun

... That would be:

(e) a voting booth.

I guess I just didn't mention it because it was so, well, obvious.

Or maybe because I wasn't aware we were talking about political power, since I just didn't see any relationship between "political power" and "guns" ... any more than I see any relationship between "political power" and "ham sandwiches" or "pickup trucks" or "hats and boots".

[MrBenchley]

47. Wow, every once in a while our "pro gun democrats" let the masks slip

and it's always wonderful to see what is hiding behind it...

"Mao Zedong: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"

http://www.chinavoc.com/history/prc_china/mzd.htm


There's so many other nice quotes that would do equally well for the purpose expressed here...

"When I hear the word Culture, I reach for the safety catch of my revolver" (Hermann Goering)

[NorthernSpy]

49. pace, MrBenchley

I've quoted Mao on this subject for the same reason that West Pointers read his remarks on guerilla warfare: his is an expert opinion in these matters. A person who succeeded in seizing political power in his country is probably not entirely in dark as to the ultimate source of political power.

I'm sure Iver recognizes the truth of this also, despite her invocation of the holy ground that is the Voting Booth.


Mary

[MrBenchley]

51. "his is an expert opinion in these matters"

Yeah, Mao was big on bumping off people who disgreed with him....nice to see what's really in the minds of our "pro gun democrats."

It's also nice to see another of our "pro gun democrats" equate the outgoing Democratic governor of Missouri with this racist backwoods fuckwit. Real convincing, cowboys.

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54. "Political power grows out of a voting booth".

Sure helped in Florida in 2000... didn't it?

[MrBenchley]

59. Yeah, the gun lobby was a shitload of help too....

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64. What solution did the anti-gun lobby offer?

[iverglas]

67. and it still cries out for the question

"What solution did the anti-gun lobby offer?"

What did the folks with all those guns do? I mean, I did think there were shitloads of good-guy Democrats with guns, right?

As to what Democrats of various types did, I believe it involved using the constitutionally mandated processes, i.e. the judicial process. Ya lose some. That's life.

The fact that you folks haven't got yr liberal democracy thing tuned up and running doesn't mean it doesn't work (as a step in the old evolutionary process). If you can't get an electoral process working, wot th' hell makes you think yer gonna be able to do a revolution?

There's just nothing quite as hilarious as you 21st century 'Murrikan gun-lovin' armchair revolutionaries, I always say.

Lenin had a word that applies well in this instance. "Infantile", it was.

[NorthernSpy]

78. Lenin was a bourgeois elitist technocrat and a hater of the working class

As the events at Kronstadt should have made crushingly obvious to everyone. Nonetheless, quoting whatsisname... if not respect, one owes at least truth to the dead:


Lenin had a word that applies well in this instance. "Infantile", it was.


You are misconstruing his remarks a tad. Vladimir Lenin's notorious characterization of Left Communism as being an "infantile disorder" is an instance of the meaning of a passage getting lost in the translation. His point was that Left Communism was, so to speak, a disease of childhood; that is, he thought that this tendency represented the overheated, ultra-radical phase that political movements must typically go through in the process of maturing and stabilizing themselves for the long haul. It wasn't really about immature individuals with disordered personalities, as the usual rendering of the phrase might seem to imply.


Mary


(fixed typo)

[iverglas]

88. and that was a joke

Not an appeal to Lenin as an authority, or a "misconstruction" of what he said, or something less than "truth".

I actually did know what Lenin said, what it meant, and what I was doing.

[MrBenchley]

68. 97% of the pro gun control group's dough went to Democrats

in 2000....100% since...

[FeebMaster]

69. Hmm, maybe you should email them

let them know they're backing the wrong horse if they want more gun control.

[MrBenchley]

70. I'll let you do that, feeb....

I'm sure they'd enjoy getting a big laugh from your e-mail....

[FeebMaster]

72. I don't think they'd listen to me.

None of the gun grabbers here seem interested when I explain how to ban guns. Why would gun grabbers elsewhere be any more interested?

[MrBenchley]

73. Hahahahahahaha.....

[FeebMaster]

74. What? (nt)

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80. By your logic...

I suppose Wayne LaPierre, Ted Nugnet and Larry Pratt were counting chads in Florida on election eve?

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11. Grasping at straws again?

How long and how hard were you scurrying about digging up this little irrelevant gem?

[Endangered Specie]

18. Heil Hitler and Pass the Ammunition!

[DarkPhenyx]

20. For the record, one of his statements is 100% correct, BTW.

"white children deserve the same rights as everybody else"

Just because he's a racist fuckwit dosen't make that statement any less true. Or do you disagree?

[iverglas]

22. excuse me

but did you have a point?

Just wondering ...

[DarkPhenyx]

31. Only that all children...

...deserve the exact same rights, oppertunities and liberties. *thinking* Yeah, that would be about it.

[iverglas]

42. so hmm

Only that all children...
...deserve the exact same rights, oppertunities and liberties.

So I wonder. Do they not? Strikes me they do.

So I wonder ...

"When I knock on a door and say white children deserve the same rights as everybody else ..."

... why would somebody say that? Isn't it kinda like saying "everybody deserves air"? I mean, wouldn't that only be worth saying if somebody was being denied air? Or ... if somebody were trying to make it look like somebody was being denied air?

Can we all spell "disingenuous" now?

I wonder why our chum doesn't knock on doors and say "black children deserve the same rights as everybody else" ... seems just as meaningful, or meaningless.

[Endangered Specie]

23. Its somewhat of a mute point...

White children (unless they are gay... which Ill bet he doesnt include) DO have the same, if not more, rights as everyone else.

And since he's a pro-eugenics brown shirt, that statement can't be accurate, his position would be that they are superior and deserve more rights.

I suppose now its ok for him to start up an NAAWP after all... "white children deserve the same rights as everybody else"

[DarkPhenyx]

32. Actually they don't.

It's a common misconception on our side that they do. Strange but true.

The statement is still true and accurate. It's the rest of his philosophy that is fucked. Like all thing you have to read the fine print, no? Besides...being wrong on one point does not automatically make one wrong on all points.

[Endangered Specie]

52. What do you mean they don't?

Studys show we get the highest pay, easiest criminal senteces, amongst other things.

I am one and I can tell you we are unfairly better off than the rest.

[MrBenchley]

25. Wow....says it all....

[DarkPhenyx]

33. Ahhhhhhh, but what does it say?

That is teh question no?

Are you saying that they don't? That would be kinda racist don't you think?

[MrBenchley]

35. It says exactly what it says...

That somebody either is deaf to white supremacist arguments...or agrees with those arguments and wants to pretend that's a legitimate issue....

[DarkPhenyx]

36. No...that wasn't it.

Care to try again though? You might guess right. That would be nice.

[MrBenchley]

38. That was exactly it...

which is disgraceful on either end...

[gatlingforme]

30. Never mind that 83% of the people voted for him in the primary

which by the way I think is a little more important than him carrying a gun. WTF? A racist scum bag just won a primary and all the talk is the gun stuff? How disheartening to see so many ignorant people voting for this scum os a guy. Eugenics is disgusting. The guy should be put away for being so FU.

[RoeBear]

39. It appears an anti-gun candidate...

..was shown the door in Missouri.
Bob Holden lost the primary in part because of his veto of the CCW bill in that state.

[MrBenchley]

40. Been there, done that...

dismissed it as right wing gun loony gibberish...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x76398

Yeah, Bob Holden is JUST LIKE this racist piece of shit, roe.

[MrBenchley]

75. And the punchline....

"Via his campaign website we note the above, plus the following:
Contributions should be made out to James Hart for congress committee and sent to PO Box 72, New Concord Ky. 42076.
Yup. He doesn't live in the district. Or even the state. He did win the primary last Thursday though, so it looks like they're stuck with him. "

http://corrente.blogspot.com/2004_08_08_corrente_archive.html#109207266514780319

[Lefty48197]

86. Wayne LaPierre must be so proud

that he has another patriotic American fighting for Mom, God, and apple pie.

[MrBenchley]

87. Neiwert has a good point this AM....

"There's a reason that Hart is running as a Republican: He knows the Republican base will cast its votes for him. And he knows that because the GOP, in the South especially, has pandered to sentiments like his without openly embracing them.
...
It would be much simpler if the GOP made any kind of genuine effort to denounce and discredit the racists who have taken up residence in their ranks. But at best, the party provides only lip service and token gestures.
In the meantime, it continues to play footsie with the neo-Confederate movement. It trades in radical memes that originate on the extremist "Patriot" and even neo-Nazi right. Guys like Jared Taylor show up on nationally broadcast mainstream conservative talk shows and are treated as though they were themselves mainstream authorities.
The Republican base is willing to vote for people like James L. Hart because it constantly receiving signals like these from the "conservative movement" (and only feeble counter-signals, if any at all).
Playing with rotten meat brings the vultures home to roost. "

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004_08_08_dneiwert_archive.html#109212677643201390