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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:17 AM
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5/20/04: Where are the "pro gun democrats"?
So….
if there really ARE millions of "gun owning democrats" where the hell are they? They’re sure not posting much on gun owners forums, which are supposed to encompass the full range of gun owner opinions.
At least on Faux Noise, Alan Colmes blinks and clears his throat every once in a while…and he seems to be a radical firebrand compared to "gun owning democrats."
Here’s a selection of this week’s opinions on those cesspools. Warning: hold your nose before reading, and keep swallowing or your ears will pop from the sudden deceleration of IQ you’ll experience.


From a thread titled "Interesting Viewpont on the Prison Photos": "Other cultures think differently than we do. We (white) Americans pay lip service to this fact, but too often, that's all it is--lip service. We continue on our way, claiming to acknowledge the differences, but in fact assuming that others are using the same map that we are.
How many Americans were stunned when D.C. Mayor Marion Barry got filmed smoking crack with his mistress...and then got reelected? Anyone who really paid attention to the beliefs and values of other groups would have been stunned if Barry had not been reelected after the hidden-cam video became public. His constituency of inner-city D.C. residents loved seeing their leader smoking crack with a good-looking girlfriend. Shee-it! De Mayah's a playah!"
The fucking liberals will waste this victory too, and lose us another war. … We need a little jihad of our own. I nominate John Ross to run it…. Bottomline; this whole mess may turn out, in the end, to be as much help for our cause as a hinderance. And that's a nice thought.
"

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=243957

Amazingly, there actually IS a borderline liberal post, by someone calling himself "Imposter." He seems unable to bring himself to comment on current politics, but it is a start.

On glocksuckerstalk…
A thread titled "A Marine sees what defeatists don't":
"One thing that the left forgets, and that includes the media since it is leftist, is that words have meaning. The media may assume we read their tripe for entertainment value. Unfortunately the rest of the world looks at our "papers of record" for signs and signals. Well, so do the lefties and ostriches in the US.
It's hard to even comment on this it pisses me off so much. It's like the left WANTS us to lose. Everything that makes the US look bad, they report it until cows come home, but the good stuff, the stories of brave soldiers, the clever military victories, they never report ANY of it. It's so ridiculous that I can't even imagine what these idiots are thinking. I don't think they even have souls.
Of course they want us to lose. Their entire existence is defined by their self loathing. If you take that away they have nothing left to live for. They have no guilt left to embrace.
I'm also happy you freaking traitors are unhappy. In fact, I'll drink to that! If you thing removing Hussein hasn't made America safer, you probably need to reassess the situation from a different perspective...or you could just be a moron.
"

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=66b80ba199860daf416fbc4fa8dba386&threadid=248911

By the way, since we were being assured on another thread how politely and courteously the gun nuts on gun nut forums treat dissent, it’s worth glancing at a thread from someone calling him- or herself Bowser asking, "Since I read a lot of armchair jingoism here, I was wondering why most of the Bush supporters have not signed up for the Armed Services, or encouraged their sons and daughters to do so."
The polite and courteous responses? "Typical leftist.........concerning yourself with what others are doing. Haven't I counseled you on this before? I thought so.
Lets also know that not only is bowser a little troll but its unlikely he will post again in this thread.
I proudly served my time...so UP YOURS!
But you just continue on cowering in the corner and let others do the fighting for you, little Miss Bowser.
Turns out you don't have an "argument" after all.
please STFU.
Shut the hell up.
Ya know - this post is not even worth a response......
Fought to protect A-wipes like you..If you are so unhappy here I suggest you move to Iraq..You just might fit in over there..
I think he is cranky because he needs his diaper changed.
Where'd that little cum stain Bowser run off to?
"

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=66b80ba199860daf416fbc4fa8dba386&threadid=248703

On highroadrage, the question "What will four years under Kerry spell for gun owners?" is answered by a bunch of gibbering paranoid idiots with severe psychological problems…
"Kerry would be the first Presidnt ever elected who has backed the extreme grabber wing of the gun control side without hesitation for 20 years - so it is tough to say how bad it would be; but it wouldn't be good….If you want a preview of what to expect, in March 2004, Kerry voted to ban all centerfire rifle ammunition, including .30-30 specifically by name (apparently the United States most common deer rifle now uses "armor piercing" ammunition).
With a democratic congress, it would mean the end of civilian firearms ownership in the USA, gun registration first confiscation next, even Duck assault shotguns. Maybe we could keep our pellet guns and .22's as long as we were members of a gun club and could store them there and show that we were involved in competition.
One word "DOOM"
Please do not forget that Herr Kerry can direct the BATFe to be creative in its regulations. They already have the foundation. "Sporting Uses" would be used in all manner of evil ways (evil to us). That is assuming he has an opposing congress….If he were to have Congress in his pocket, (the attempt at) confiscation is a real possibility.
Our resident (cut and paste) Troll and avid anti gunner W4rma and his/her ilk will wet themselves in excitement because Kerry will find a way to renew the AWB and move us more toward Kalifornia style extreme left wing positions on guns.
Some pretty dire forecasts here leading to the obvious question: People are really going to stand by and let the 2A be shredded to nothing? The underlying issue is lack of true political representation. When does that issue bubble to the top?
All this banning / confiscation stuff WILL happen......and mysteriously at the same time forums like these will also mysteriously disappear as well I am very sure of. Our right to assemble and communicate will be done with….
Kerry is predisposed to worship the Europeon style of governing. You can bet he will propose legislation modeled after GB, France, Germany, etc. His presence in the Whitehouse will emphasize the "Europeon Model" at every opportunity. He is not a product what used to be known as the American culture.
Absolute disaster. A horror show on wheels. The literal Tribulation. I just wish to God I was dug-in somewhere in some fortified, defensible place, before the Marxoid Krypto-Kommie Kerry gets in there and unleashes all his Kerry Kops and Kerry Kommandoes on all us "terrorists" suspected of "guncrime."… And he's going to win, I predict. The American people as a whole are actually that clueless and/or vernal. Better be stocking up and digging in now. Get some halfway decent body armor and a kevlar helmet.
What would Kerry spell? Quite possibly, the biggest set back for RKBA since 1934.
If Kerry wins the pendulum will swing more to the left. Imports of fun guns will stop first, then Kali style registration will go national. Then the usual 10% will follow the law and actually register. 90% of the fun guns won't be registered but when a police officer catches an otherwise law abiding citizen, the law abiding citizen will have his life destroyed with a felony. The local cops will do the dirty work of the liberal Democratic government. Of course gun shows will stop, ammo and components will be taxed to hell, and alot of gun companys would go out of business.
If Jiggelo John makes it into the oval office, I expect to be 'never taken alive' very soon…. But I expect to take some with me.
Say hello to emasculated European-style socialism!
The burning question I want to know is WHO in Massachussetts votes for Kerry for their Senator????? Welfare queens, lazy union members, sheep???
"

And National Brotherhood Week continues on weshouldbelockedup.com
" Louis Farrakhan - a fucking piece of black shit… Yes, I wish someone would assassinate the fucker.
Becareful of what you wish for. They might replace him with a guy that might do some real damage instead of being just an irritant.
He gots no love for the Whitey 'dat be keepin' him down.
Farakahn is one of the biggest racist bigots around......So is Jessie Jackson and so is Spike Lee.........all of them are racist as shit..........
Louis needs to die of a crack overdose or something! Heart attack while getting a BJ from a white hooker? a MALE white hooker!
"

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9050

Yup, assassination is never far from the minds of the law-sibiding responsible gun owners over there in the self-styled "Land of Reason":
"What caliber to take out a M Moore sized animal?, I'm thinking a .308...
a length of music wire between two dowels is so much more personal and satisfying ... just be sure to wear your hazmat suit as such creatures tend to carry disease...
I think a .357 JHP would do the trick. However, I have yet to see an M&M animal. Jabba the Hut doesn't stalk the woods in my area.
"

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9083

And of course, what would any gun owner’s gathering be without idiotic comments like this about John Kerry and his daughter?

"Lurch and his small boobie kid. Well how about, the ugly kid showing her boobs? The poodle seems proud. It's a French thing. Yippie kaway. A 30 year old exposing her boobs. Ugly boobs at that. I wouldn't touch that bitch with my worst enemy. She's an ugly whore."

http://www.glocksunlocked.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9087

"Have any of you seen this picture of kerrys daughter naked? No nips, no lips… WOW, she has "MJ" tatooed on her nipples! She's just as FUGLY in this thread as she is in the other."

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=244211


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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:20 AM
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1. Insane assholes in unmoderated forums on the internet?
What are the odds of that?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:45 AM
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4. ooh -- like the ones here?
http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/soundoff/story.html?id=49ac141b-6aec-4fb1-86e4-d4f6e872e760

give every canadian a gun ,,that way you know whos got them.... brad
I assume the Liberal party also has plans to reimburse us fo... Lobo
At a time when personal and corporate income taxes place a b... Dalton R. Catchpaugh
A GREAT start would be for the media and everyone else to st... Bill Cunningham
The gun-registry is an abysmal failure, to say the least. T... Fed-Up
Gun registry is a joke, a totally un-necessary money wasting... ghost
Scrap it. First, anyone who didn't think it would cost more... Petra C
I have the feeling that the people involved in the gun regis... C.W.
Blame the Liberal voter in Ontario for this spending waste. ... Sam Frost
Sadly, politicians are not held accountable for mismanaging ... Ron Andersen
What's a billion or two between friends? Greg
What the hell were they thinking. This is Canada, not the S... Andy
It should be scrapped immediately. If Paul Martin wants to ... Miles Lunn
Law abiding gun owners have been on board with stricter pena... brian stewart
Some facts about the Gun Registry from Garry Breikreitz: ... Brad
I want my 80 bucks back................. cause thats about w... Greg Holden
Congratulations on noticing that the firearms registry has n... TGM
SCRAP THE GUN REGISTRY ???ARE YOU CRAZY...THAT
WILL NOT EVEN... william morkin
I say scrap it already and investigate the goings on behind ... Brian Alexander
The gun registry is, always has been, and always will be a t... Ken Barr
allow citizens to carry defensively and the crime will drop ... rocco
I have always supported gun control but this did little exce... peter
Imagine what 1 billion dollars could have been used for. Ho... Jason G
The registry is 100% useless. Only law abiding citizens reg... scott
The gun registry is a joke just a dam money pit. This money... wolfman
Most people do not realize that property rights are not entr... Linda Austman
Now that Martin has increased EI for the Atlantic region, he... mary
Regulate the gun industry like the automobile industry. Whe... Philip Young
I'm really tired of the government spending our money for no... Linda
Violent acts are committed by violent people. Some of them u... Patrick Evans
Gun registries have nothing to do with public safety. Case ... Stephen Buddo
I saw a great bumper sticker in Texas: "Ted Kennedy's Car H... Lobo
(Jeez, they're even Republican up here.)

I'm sure glad to hear that those aren't evidence that "Gun control <is> not too popular in the great white North anymore"!

Of course ... one reason we know that they *aren't* evidence of that is that there is such overwhelming evidence of the complete opposite.

And the overwhelming evidence of the complete opposite of racist misogynist right-wing filth being really popular among, er, firearms enthusiasts would be ... where?

.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:59 AM
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8. Funny, isn't it?
Seems like just the other day we were being told what an uplifting crowd of polite scholars made up these forums...

"the overwhelming evidence of the complete opposite of racist misogynist right-wing filth being really popular among, er, firearms enthusiasts would be ... where?"
East of the sun and west of the moon....
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
55. Oh come on now...
...no one thinks that you are insane.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
65. Great post on highroadrage, roe...
Oh, that's right, you didn't say boo. Wonder why?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. Insane assholes with guns...
Such nice playmates our RKBA crowd has....
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:26 AM
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2. Like listening to twelve year olds
Impeccable logic, wonderful "I know you are but what am I?" takes. Their own little closed, inbred society of social promotion misfits. Sigh. Reagan's education system strikes again.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:52 AM
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6. Best argument for gun control I can think of
is showing what sort of people are running around pretty much unregulated now.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:39 PM
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78. I guess this explains everything
in your opening post you say reading those boards causes a "sudden deceleration of IQ"

And you spend an awfully lot of time reading those boards.
That must be why your posts are so filled with hate-filled foamy rhetoric?

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:36 PM
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87. Yeah, there's real stupidity among gun owners
over there...and they're ugly thugs, too, with a shitload of REAL "hate-filled foamy rhetoric."

Swell playmates you got, gato.
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:40 AM
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3. Why should we post here to make you happy?
Edited on Thu May-20-04 10:41 AM by freetobegay
We have the 2nd amendment which must really burn your ass. Also I live in Florida & carry a concealed weapons permit I pack where ever I go! So me posting here what is that going to acclomplish? I have a right that you want taken away from me & it ain't gonna happen so there!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:56 AM
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7. Hahahahahahaha.....
"We have the 2nd amendment which must really burn your ass."
Not at all...but then I know what the Second Amendment really says...and it's not Crisco John's wet dream, despite some furious lying by the gun lobby and the trigger-happy amongst us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=49341

"So me posting here what is that going to acclomplish?"
Funny, I was asking myself the very same question (snicker).
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:27 PM
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40. Complaining here is the only thing that makes him happy.
Which in itself, is rather sad.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:49 PM
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88. Tell us, op...what DID your pal "acclomplish"?
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:11 AM
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9. I think they are all over at www.johnkerry.com in the online...
...forums.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:16 AM
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10. What a coincidence!
I just started posting there last week.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:19 AM
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11. There are some very knowledgeable people posting there...
...right now. Kerry is supposedly given printouts of some of what goes on in the forums.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:37 AM
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13. I'll bet the ones telling us
we need guns guns guns to fight tyranny are an especially BIG laugh...

I'll bet the one telling him how stupid people in Chicago are for not voting out Daley gave him a chuckle too.....

Tell us, do you think the guys calling themselves "kalashnikov" and "2nd amendment guy" over there are really fooling much of anyone?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:52 AM
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18. Pot, meet Kettle
Tell us, do you think the guys calling themselves "kalashnikov" and "2nd amendment guy" over there are really fooling much of anyone?

You're no Robert Benchley, MrBenchley. You're not even a Peter Benchley.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:00 PM
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20. Gee, slack
I take it from that you thought they WERE fooling somebody...

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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:13 PM
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32. There are some Republicans, and others, over there also.
It's just a big ol' happy bunch of people trying to figure out who this Kerry guy is.

Try posting there. You will have to be polite, not use cusswords, and back up your assertions though. You will not have immunity there either.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:14 PM
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34. Gee, jay....
Edited on Thu May-20-04 12:15 PM by MrBenchley
I got no problem with this Kerry guy...so I got nothing to figure out.

But how do YOU know I'm not over there already?

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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:21 PM
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37. You would be obvious, unless you have an adult mode also. n/t
n/t
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:29 PM
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42. Adult mode...LOL.
Nice. I can only imagine:

"So, uh...people shouldn't own guns...and stuff. You know?"
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:30 PM
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46. I picture more of a Mr. Mackey from South Park
Guns are bad, mmmkay?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. Didja put up your John Wayne Gacy photo yet, slack?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:45 AM
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15. I'll put that up the moment someone says all Democrats are good people
Edited on Thu May-20-04 11:52 AM by slackmaster
Or that we should never question the behavior of any Democrat.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:01 PM
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21. Yeah, that'll fetch them....
(snicker)
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
45. And the next time you shoot your semi-auto "bullet hose"...
...remember, the VPC never lies.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:33 AM
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12. In other words...
a handful of gun loonies are spamming that board under false pretenses...using the same dishonest arguments we hear here pretty much every fucking day.

There's a fucking surprise, all right.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. No True Scottsman fallacy
i.e. "No true Scottsman takes sugar in his porridge.

Also known as Poisoning the Well.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:02 PM
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22. A couple of phony gun loons...
who stick out like sore thumbs over there...

But it's touching to see you think they're fooling the board.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:04 PM
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23. "a couple"?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. ...and they're not fooling anyone much....
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #12
27. There are actually people posting on both sides of the...
...argument and by and large doing a good job of making their points, politely. I'm seeing that a lot in other candidates forums also. Imagine that.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:11 PM
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29. The level of decorum there is to be commended
Nobody gets shouted down because they don't fit someone's delusional image of a "real Democrat", and the occasional paranoid who starts shouting insults gets shut down quickly.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:48 AM
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16. Pro-gun Democrat here!
Thanks for asking.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #16
24. Is THAT why you posted a bigoted piece of crap?
So tell us, why ARE "blacks, jews and women" "professional victims?" That was the tentpole of that piece whose "merits" you wanted us to discuss.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. There you go again.
Falsely attributing. Please, pretend to be an adult. Asked and answered.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. And there YOU go again, dodging....
I'm not falsely attributing anything...YOU put up the piece and claimed you wanted to discuss it's merits...and yet you seem to shy away from its central questions.

"Please, pretend to be an adult."
Gee, adults take responsibility for their actions. Of course, most of them would know at a glance what a piece of bigoted horseshit that piece was too.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #39
49. "Adults take responsibility for their actions" is pretty funny...
...coming from a guy who blames the NRA when an irresponsible parent leaves a loaded gun where their child can get to it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #49
51. Too TOO funny, op....
Now cry to us again about poor Pete Coors.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #51
56. Make sure you keep your detailed notes on each of us handy.
Edited on Thu May-20-04 12:45 PM by OpSomBlood
So you can divert the conversation whenever one of us backs you into a corner.

"Oh, no! OpSomBlood made me look like a hypocrite yet again! I'd better fire back with an obscure reference to something he said once, that way people will think less of him!"

Your playbook is pretty transparent.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
83. And...
thinks that a MFG should be held responsible for misuse of a legal product.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:33 AM
Response to Reply #83
91. And the biggest one of all...
...that guns are more to blame for crime than criminals.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 11:59 AM
Response to Original message
19. We're out here fighting fascism

and I don't have time to go dick around at every lame
ass website you dig up.

Please go fight your own battles benchly.

I'm too busy trying to prevent the next wave of brownshirts.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Mostly by keeping your yap shut
Amazing how many excuses our "pro-gun democrats" can make for not saying anything pro-democrat where any of their peers can hear them, isn't it?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. A reminder
These forums can be read by anyone with a Web browser.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Too TOO funny....
Hell, I know we got gun loonies trolling here, slack. They earn tombstones on a regular basis, and even boasted about it over at their cesspool.

What I find hilarious and telling is how desperately our pro-gun democrats here are avoiding saying anything pro-democrat over there. Not that you "enthusiasts" are shy about posting right wing horseshit and pictures of John Wayne Gacy here.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Well, I avoid posting "over there"
Because I don't read much "over there". Grow up.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Gee, fat slob...
I'm not the one posting childish bigoted horseshit from "the righter" and then refusing to discuss the central issue raised by the rancid bit of drivel that was posted. That would be YOU.

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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Uh-huh...
We believe you.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:29 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Gee, fat slob...
You're the one who won't discuss the piece YOU YOURSELF pretended had merits.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #43
50. Already done many times
I'm sure everybody here believes you.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. Not yet...
So why ARE "blacks, Jews and women" "professional victims"?
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. I never said they were.
I'm sure everybody here believes you.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. No, you posted a piece that SAID they were
and then wanted to pretend it had "merits"...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=57136&mesg_id=57136

Fat Slob: "it is an interesting read...she does have interesting points...What is disputable is whether her paper is valid. That is the point of this exercise. ...I'm looking for dissection of the arguements raised by the writer. This appears, initially, to be a well written, well reasoned paper...Why don't you go through and dissect it, as requested. Even a tiny bit. Use your well-known reason and intellect and point out falsehoods and facts..."

You sure seemed eager to defend this bigoted bit of filth once.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #59
84. uh-huh.
Keep on repeating yourself. You'll do just fine.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. And we have people on the left bragging about trolling on RW boards
Edited on Thu May-20-04 12:20 PM by slackmaster
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x58575#58589

So what?

If you think I am trolling here, you know what you are supposed to do about it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
41. Gee, slack...
I know what I'm doing about it....I'm laughing my ass off about it.

And it's hilarious and telling how many excuses our "pro-gun democrats" have to avoid saying anything "pro-democrat" on a gun owner's forum. "What about iverglas" is perhaps the funniest one yet.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #36
48. oh, dear moi
That link was to where I said:

I've spent time playing on anti-choice discussion boards; toying with the right-wing loons can be quite entertaining.
which has been characterized thus:

And we have people on the left bragging about trolling on RW boards

Sorry, beep, wrong.

Perhaps you innocently misinterpreted the expression "anti-choice discussion boards", thinking it meant "discussion boards for the sole use and enjoyment of anti-choicers".

I shall clarify for you: discussion boards operated by anti-choicers.

In no case were the boards designed or operated to exclude pro-choicers; they were designed and operated as abortion debate boards, and thus, without participation by pro-choicers, they would have failed in their purpose. I was just lending a hand, friend.

Hell, on one board operated by a major women's magazine (i.e. a non-partisan board), us pro-choicers even let the miserable icky little anti-choicers have their own great big thread for complaining and lying about us without interference from us.

Nope, you're just gonna have to point that thing somewhere else, I'm afraid.

.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #25
44. Actually I'm too busy writing to Congress members, organizing

protesting and donating to Moveon and all the other things that I do to fight back.

I don't have the time to go troll around on random internet boards and argue with a bunch of people who argue as a hobby (just like you).

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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:31 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. Zing.
Nice.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #44
52. and yet ...

Here you are!

Arguing with a handful of people ... of whom 3 or 4 that I can think of aren't even US voters ... in a place where no one needs converting to Democrat-mindedness ...

.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
58. Dismantling the Bill of Rights isn't "Democrat-mindedness."
And that's why we're here.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. But lying about the Second Amendment is GOP-mindedness...
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. John Ashcroft has plenty of lies to quote...
...so it's pretty counter-productive to the Democratic cause when you continously quote one of the few times where he was telling the truth.

Yeah, the Bill of Rights completely refers to individual rights "of the people"...yet the Second Amendment refers to rights of the militia. I had no idea a militia had rights.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. And that's about his biggest lie, op...
And it's full of crap in every way....
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. What part bothers you...
The militia is not part of the standing army (as the National Guard is today). The militia is composed of all able-bodied citizens. The Founders were most certainly NOT referring to the National Guard (which did not even exist for another 100 years) when they referred to the militia.

I mean, Jesus...what part of "right of the people to keep and bear arms" is so foreign to you? "right"? "the people"?

"of"?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Gee, op...
It's not fucking true in the slightest....no matter how desperately you spin.

But hey, you're welcome to the company that wants to pretend so....

"In a letter last August, former Solicitor General Seth Waxman said that government lawyers "did indeed take the position that the Second Amendment does not extend an individual right to keep and bear arms."
"That position is consistent with the view of the Amendment taken both by the federal appellate courts and successive administrations," Waxman wrote.
Waxman said the Supreme Court and eight appellate courts "have uniformly rejected arguments that it extends firearms rights to individuals independent of the collective need to ensure a well-regulated militia."
In his letter to the NRA, Ashcroft took the opposite view, saying that that in decisions dating back to 1890s, the Supreme Court "routinely indicated that the right protected by the Second Amendment applied to individuals." "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/05/23/politics/main292854.shtml

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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. Forgive me for wanting to live in a country where my judgment is trusted.
n/t
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. op-land?
That IS pretty fucking funny....especially given the "judgement" we've seen displayed here.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #67
68. mm hmm

Op-land -- the country where OpSomBlood's judgment is trusted by everyone, but he trusts no one's ...

That's what I'm getting, anyhow.

It's one of those indicators of a lack of social cohesion, which is one of the factors in crime and violence ...

.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. I like the idea of punishing criminals AFTER they commit a crime.
Gun control measures only affect the people who obey the law.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. and I like strawberry ice cream

Perhaps we can discuss these things some day.

.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. you also like giving up freedom for the phoney promise of protection


Hate to break it to you Iver but those in power don't give a fuck
about your security.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #68
73. People's privacy is scrupulously respected
if they're thumping their chest and waving their gun around like an idiot...but anyone who asks inconvenient questions can expect to have his or her privacy invaded....

And the most important civic virtue is pooping in the park unregulated gun ownership...
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. How do you equate owning a gun with this statement

"thumping their chest and waving their gun around like an idiot"


You statements are truly fucking delusional benchly.

You come here waving your bullshit around on a daily basis
making a mockery of rational discussion and then project all this
crazy behaviour on the people who actually think that gun ownership
is none of the governments business.


There are crazy people on all sides of any given debate.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #68
80. better than living in Chicken Little land like the gun grabbers

"Oh my, old man Johnson has a shotgun in his house.
We're all gonna DIE!!!!"

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. Hope those letters are written
better than your posts here...
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #53
75. ah, more pointless insults from the person who does nothing else


You are truly juvenile bench.

But hey your only here to attack others who don't view the world EXACTLY the way you do.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:02 PM
Response to Original message
70. Three hours plus and not a word
anybody surprised? Neither am I.

The "let's kill Michael Moore" thread did spout one amusing addition, however...one of the polite and scholarly correspondents (calling himself "Hauptmann") quoted an earler "enthusiast's" choice of murder weapon and remarked..."Works really well on psycolegy books as well! "

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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #70
81. Perhaps if you weren't so OVER THE TOP people would hear you

instead all you can do is whine and cry about fecal matter

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #81
86. Gee, gato...
why do you want to chase away voters who like to poop in the park?
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:40 PM
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95. still obsessing over fecal matter eh bench?

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. Nope...I'm giving it the answer it deserves, gato.
And it's real noticeable that for someone woh makes such a big noicse about "fighting fascism" over here where its' safe...you ain't got "boo" to say where the gun-owning fascists actually are.

Says it all about YOU.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:05 PM
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71. Here are some links culled from J/PS
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. But it can be said that our "pro gun democrats"
will try to find any excuse not to post anything pro-Democrat on gun owner forums...wonder why?
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #72
79. boring

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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #79
82. No! it not boring!
It's extremely boring!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #79
85. Not to me...
but then I'm laughing my ass off at our "pro gun democrats"...AGAIN.
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OpSomBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. What's funny is you telling a gay liberal that he's not a "real" Democrat.
That's a freaking laugh riot!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Nothing keeping him from showing us...
Nothing keeping you from doing so either....and yet neither of you are doing so.

Amazing how many excuses our "pro gun democrats" have for not saying pro Democratic word one over there.....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 07:54 AM
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92. Nearly 24 hours and not a proDemocrat peep
on assaultriflenuts.com....although they are enraged that somebody made fun of them

Really, what could possibly be ridiculous about gun nuts (snicker)...

"I thought the Debate Show (MTV Tv Production - I was interviewed and selected as a knowledgeable member of the gun community) would be an opportunity for me to support our side in protecting the Second Amendment. But, instead I was a set up for a comedy routine. I spent most of the day preparing. They stood me in the audience as if I were an audience member and asked me "what do you find interesting about shooting?". I answered that it is a zenish experience, timing the release of the trigger with the aiming of the firearm, that its fun and isnt an olympic sport for nothing. One of the panelists was an a**wipe commedian and proceeded to show how i proved guns were just an extension of guys penis's. He had a penis pump that he brought out and asked one of the panelists if he'd agree to give up his guns in exchange for the penis pump. He reduced our gun rights to a penis pump....
Anyone who has seen that cocksucker John Stewert on The Daily Show knows how much liberal propaganda is spewed on Comedy Central. I won't watch it at all.
"

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=244913
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:46 AM
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93. Almost 24 hours, and glocktalk is still dittomonkey-safe
And filled with right wing stupidity and ugliness....

"Even Reagan was democrat-lite....Current democrats are socialists."

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=02b63f28e0c91d3a0fd680880bf19d99&threadid=249383

"When would it be a good time to boot all the socialists and communists out of the US at the barrel of a gun? I think they are long past overdue for a one way ticket to another country. Thoughts? <nope, not a sign of any there>"

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=02b63f28e0c91d3a0fd680880bf19d99&threadid=249314

Anybody surprised? Me neither.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:36 AM
Response to Original message
94. More than 24 hours...
and one of the sewers has spouted a pathetic thread sniveling about this one....and guess what? Some of the gun nuts there boast openly that they troll here...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=244921

Wonder if the member with the handle of one of our posters is the same individual? If so, it's noticeable he hasn't got a single pro-Democrat thing to say over there....
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #94
97. Interesting thread.
Thank you for pointing it out. It has some interesting theories. Are any of them true?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. It's by gun owners, fat slob...of course it's horseshit....
Edited on Fri May-21-04 02:05 PM by MrBenchley
IN case you hadn't noticed, the reason for this thread is to show what sort of mindless ugly fuckwits make up "gun owner opinion" elsewhere...and to wonder aloud why "pro gun democrats" seem as mute as stones.
But then I forget...you also thought "the righter" and her bigoted gibberish had merit...although you keep running away from explaining why.

So tell us, do you think our guy is the same one using the handle over there? And if so, how come he hasn't got a pro-democrat peep to say?
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