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Thu May-13-04 01:17 PM
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Searching for "pro-gun Democrats"

We keep being told there are millions of rootin’ tootin’ gun-totin’ Democrats out there. So where are they?

Let’s look at some of the gun owner’s forums on the web. These are all three that we know DU visitors frequent, for they have all been plugged at one time or another in this very forum.

From the self described "Land of Reason," Glocksunlocked: "I keep hearing about all the "innocent" people in the Middle East. About all the "peaceful" Muslims. About "moderate" Arabs.
The terrorists are just like a gang, I am told. They are a minority of the population, a criminal element that, while despicable, should be brought to justice in a Court of Law by white-hat wearing AMERICAN HEROES ™. Then we can imprison them under peaceful, idyllic conditions to prove that we are morally-superior. So we can sleep easier at night, I guess.
Well, FUCK THAT…. To kill only a handful while leaving children and fertile women behind only delays the threat until the young are strong enough to carry the bomb-vests."
To which the responses include: "I think you've spoken for most of the real men in America. This pussified notion of tolerance and understanding has left us weak and the enemy sees it…. I think it's time to address the real problem inside America. While 1/4 of our country is fighting a war of survival, 1/4 of our country are committing treason and 1/2 don't know what the fuck is going on. If this was 1776 scaffolds would be a hot commodity."
Not much in that thread that can be called Democratic, or liberal, or even moderate.
And then there's this bit:
"Over recent events, it's come time for me to evaluate who I will be voting for this November. If Bush acts like a man informs us (and follows through) that we won't be taking this shit any longer, than he's got my vote."
To which the responses include:
"While I do not agree with everything he has done I will vote for Bush to keep Kerry out of office. Then again I would probably vote for a monkey to achieve the same ends…. President Bush has made some decisions that I would not have made had I been in his place. That said I will vote too reelect him this fall. A step in any other direction is a step backwards. … If I lived in a "Battleground" state though, I'd consider holding my nose and voting for Bush. … IMO, there is no other choice but Bush. All I can see is Kerry pandering to the UN for forgiveness, pulling out our troops and giving those muslim pigs the victory they want. Then, nothing will stop them from killing more Americans, even on our own soil. As much as I dislike Bush, it would be a real disaster if Kerry wins. …He would be worse than Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter combined. …the big picture shows he has held this country together through the worst attack on our soil and wars with 2 countries. All within 4 years! The economy is going strong and we are probably as safe as we could be with any other prez sitting in that chair. I think Bush and his staff are directly responsible with the way things are going today. (Hmmm...I can see that last line being used a quote buy someone!)"
Not a single pro-Kerry word.

From highroadrage, which "gun owning democrats": often extol here as a bastion of polite rationality welcoming to all political persuasions…we have the thread, "John Kerry: A Deeply Ignorant Man (sic)" It is basically the idiotic cheesesteak story from last fall and a bunch of other dreary crap, as relayed by the Spectator.
Comments include: " A patrician gigilo....all the stiffness of Al Gore AND Bill Clinton combined. The left gets what it deserves…. I'll have you know Johnny Ketchup was in Vietnam and he does not own an SUV (the family owns it)…. John sKerry makes Al Gore look like New Orleans at midinight on Mardi Gras…. I think it boils down to arrogance and elitism as to why John Kerry would be reluctant to ask for help in dealing with local issues that he really is uninformed about (the cheese steak debacle). " It’s inspiring to see the way gun-owning Democrats respond with utter silence in Kerry's defense. To be fair, one DU regular who will go unnamed does kind of sneer at the Spectator half-heartedly, but that’s it.
This is the discussion of the Berg beheading on highroadrage:
"I watched CNN at 6pm this evening, with a stopwatch in each hand. They gave eight minutes of coverage of the prison scandal for every one minute of coverage of the beheading. …For the first time in over sixty years, the American public does not have the will to fight an enemy who has declared war on us. The US public will only want war when it's being conducted in our own homes, and by then it will be too late."
To which the enlightened responses include:
"The animals that did this are not, IMO, muslims, or followers of any faith. They, and there ilk must be hunted down and exterminated for the good of mankind…. I live in the biggest liberal town in the U.S. Ratboy grew up here and all these libs in town make my blood boil…. They will ask for Armageddon, and our leaders will release the codes and awaken the fires of Oppenheimer. The birthplace of civilization will become a nuclear graveyard. And we shall have 1,000 years of peace…. I feel worse than I did after September 11. I'm so angry and sad all at the same time. I'm not sure how to get past it. It seems we are engaged in a war that we will not be able to win because we have to play by the rules. … The problem is fanatics. Same trouble we have with gun grabbers…. I'm on this board because I beleive in the principles of self-determination, mutual respect and love of human life that private gun ownership symbolises. Those who breed this belief that murdering people is God's will need to be cut out of the body of Humanity, the way cancerous lesions would be cut from a human body.(Oh yes he did too) I think we need to lash out against the media, myself…. Apparently he was roaming around Iraq by himself looking for work If true, that would be like blue-eyed me roaming around Watts during the riots." And on and on and on with nary a word that might even remotely be characterized as liberal or even particularly sane. And of course, no mention of what the Berg family themselves have to say, or of the questions raised as to where he had been and when he was released.

Finally, from Florida Shooters’ Nutwork…"What Hillary Told The Arabs," a dreary bit of half-baked crap from Joe (What dead intern?) Scarborough: "Lying - and a complicit press helping you get away with it - is a hard habit to break. " comments the moderator, and gun nuts chime in with "The Constitution defines this as Treason and the stated penalty is death. …. Jane Fonda should have been forced to stay and live in Vietnam ! " Not any word at all pro-Democrat there.
There ‘s also a thread titled "Thousands rally against Gay Marriage," a happy recap of a rally for bigotry from Faux News. "When our Nation is threatened by perversion and unhealthy agendas, then I am against it 100%." Cries the moderator." One member does remonstrate: "this a shooting board, not a gay, jew bashing nor a place for personal agendas." but when the moderator responds, " First off there has not been one "jew bashing post". Typical liberal style accusations, puting words in the mouths of those they wish to discredit." to which the first gun nut quickly screams, "Ok perhaps I went a little of in confusing stern bashing with jew bashing. I am far from being a liberal and I never tried to discredit you, but merely stating facts. I don't think that gay, tv censorship or god issues as political issues."

In short, the opinions range from far far right to even farther far right, with a dandy dash of genocide and hysteria thrown in.