NRA endorsement of Bush is on hold

[-..__...]

Sounds like *'s own party is ready to feed him to the wolves.


"Gun-rights group watches, waits on weapons ban
By Bob Cusack

An influential gun-rights group known for backing Republicans is unlikely to endorse President Bush until after the federal assault-weapons ban expires in September.

Bush supports the renewal of the 10-year ban but has not called on the GOP-controlled Congress to act. If he does so, the move would probably cost him the endorsement of the National Rifle Association (NRA).

Some political observers believe that the NRA’s endorsement is a certainty, pointing out the group’s stinging criticism of Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

But gun-rights activists dispute the claim that Bush can count on the NRA’s support; the group remained neutral in 1992 and 1996. The NRA did not endorse Republican nominee Bob Dole’s 1996 presidential bid because of his wavering stance on the assault-weapons ban and opted not to back George H.W. Bush in his 1992 re-election effort. The NRA did endorse George W. Bush in 2000"...

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[Wickerman]

1. Damn, did they close cown the NRA office in the West Wing?

[JayS]

2. No, they moved to Crawford. :) n/t

n/t

[RobertSeattle]

3. Seems like an analogy would be appropriate here

"This is like a Dad withholding allowance until child behaves"

[mosin]

6. Nice analogy

I like that! Shrub has always reminded me of a disobedient child. :)

[MrBenchley]

4. Wow...

Wonder if this will keep this rancid bunch of cretins from lying their asses off about John Kerry?

Na-a-a-ah....they're not fooling anybody.

[mosin]

7. NRA member

Of course it won't surprise you that I'm an NRA member, as was my father as far back as I can remember. I don't appreciate you labeling us a "rancid bunch of cretins."

And as much as I like Kerry on other issues, the NRA hardly has to lie about Kerry's 100% anti-gun record. It is his "achilles heel."

The NRA has more often favored Republicans in recent years because Republicans more often -- but not always -- are more supportive of gun rights. When there are pro-gun Democrats, the NRA is supportive.

We need to restore a real respect for the right to keep and bear arms in the party platform.

[MrBenchley]

8. Too too funny...

Gee, we've got another "enthusuiast" or two here trying to pretend that Kerry is pro-gun and that I am violently out of step with the nominee.

But I'd hardly call opposing the NRA's ugly agenda an achilles heel. I'd call it sanity and a regard for public safety.

"I'm an NRA member, as was my father as far back as I can remember."
Where were the Democratic NRA members when Charlton Heston called on his inbred constituents to lynch Al Gore in 2000? Where were the Democratic NRA members when that racist fuckwit Ted Nugent was named to the board? Where are they when he utters his racist bilge in public? Where were they a couple weeks ago when the NRA held their "pimp for the chimp" rally with that scumbag Cheney?


"We need to restore a real respect for the right to keep and bear arms"
I got a real respect for the Second Amendment--the REAL Second Amendment, not the gun lobby's dishonest lies about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=49341

[MrSandman]

9. That was quick(see #5)...n/t

[MrBenchley]

10. Oh, PLEASE tell us

you're trying to make a case that rancid old Bwana Dick isn't REALLY pro-gun enough to suit you...

[MrSandman]

12. What gun law did HE ask to be repealed...

Or show what he has done that is pro gun rather than political posturing.

[MrBenchley]

13. Well, that sums YOU up

Even Bwana Dick Cheney isn't nutty wnough to suit...

Fortunately, you've got a dream candidate in Roy Moore...

[MrSandman]

48. Who?

[OpSomBlood]

49. You. Every pro-gun person is one of "Them."

You are the enemy.

You support terrorists, Nazis and Republicans.

Your opinions are obviously the direct result of subversive NRA brainwashing, because no sane human being would ever need or want a gun.

You must be stopped.

[MrSandman]

56. I got that, but Roy who?

[MrBenchley]

57. The only balls out pro-gun candidate around

Roy Moore....of course he's crazier than a shithouse rat, but that's what you get when you pick a demented, dishonest cause like "gun rights" to wrap yourself in.

http://formoore.com/

[MrSandman]

58. Well, I don't hang around in shithouses...

to meet the rats.

[MrBenchley]

59. It would be a step up for the RKBA crowd

considering their playmates now...

[MrSandman]

60. Thanks for hanging out with them...

To educate the rest of us.

[MrBenchley]

63. Good thing you've got a specimen like Roy Moore

to carry your banner.

[MrSandman]

64. Who posted his website...

I didn't even visit it. Sounds like someone else obsessing over whosit.

[MrBenchley]

66. Gee, you're the one who wants guns guns guns guns

I'm supporting John Kerry, who's for gun control.

[OpSomBlood]

68. You're supporting John Kerry because he has a "D" next to his name.

Kerry believes that the Second Amendment applies to individual rights and is a gun owner. So please spare us the "he's on my side" bullshit.

[MrBenchley]

71. Who co-sponsored the Senate AWB? Why, it's John Kerry!

Who wants to fight to close the gun show loophole? Why, it's John Kerry!

Who supports the right of cities to sue the corrupt gun industry? Why, it's John Kerry!

You want to pretend he supports your position...but it's VERY noticeable that nary a one of our "pro gun democrats" want to even try to say that on any gun forum.

[OpSomBlood]

75. I don't claim that John Kerry supports my position, you do.

I have made it clear that I disagree with his "assault weapons" stance. But I'm going to vote for him anyway, because there is a more important bigger picture and I don't cast my vote based on one issue.

Isn't it amazing how I can support someone I don't completely agree with? It's almost as though everybody has their own set of beliefs, and it is nearly impossible to for one person to agree with another about every issue! Wow! Ain't individuality grand?

If you can find where I've said that John Kerry represents my views completely, please post a link. Anyone who knows my opinion on the AWB knows that is not the case.

You, on the other hand, keep claiming that John Kerry shares your views on guns. This is untrue, because you feel that individual Americans have no Constitutional right to own guns whatsoever and Kerry does.

From www.johnkerry.com:

John Kerry is a gun owner and hunter, and he believes that law-abiding American adults have the right to own guns.

Around here, the people who believe that the Second Amendment applies to individuals are "rancid" and "NRA humholes" to you. Yet John Kerry believes in individual gun ownership rights, too.

So why are you so inconsistent with your caustic ad hominems? And since when do "gun owners and hunters" represent your narrow and authoritarian views?

[MrSandman]

70. As am I...

Bush also has stated he will sign gun control legislation, so they are about the same on that issue.

[MrBenchley]

72. So Roy's your boy, sandman...he don't believe in gun laws...

they ain't in the Bible....

He's your boy...and you're welcome to him.

[MrSandman]

74. Told you I support...

Or are you disbelieving?

on edit...If he is as big on the Bible as you say, he probably don't believe in guns either...s

[MrBenchley]

79. gee, sandman...

you keep posting all this gun rights candidate...and your boy Roy is the only candidate who says there should be no gun laws...

Larry Pratt endorses him...of course Pratt is a racist piece of shit.

[MrSandman]

80. Never heard him...

or read about him. Enjoy the cesspool you found him in. Maybe you can get some of your playmates to get Kerry to choose a Repub VP. They fawn all over McCain .

[MrBenchley]

83. Roy's your boy, sandman--pro-gun all the way

[OpSomBlood]

86. Say it a few hundred more times.

You obviously have the free time to do so.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MrSandman]

5. I've never seen a pro-gun politician...

that needed a photo op holding a gun. Can someone post Bwana Dick please.

[Township75]

11. So the anti-gunners and Bush are on the same page

"Many Capitol Hill aides and lawmakers say Bush will determine whether the ban is extended beyond Sept. 13. An aide to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) has said privately that if Bush pushes for it, the ban will probably be reauthorized. But if he doesn’t, the chances of legislation’s passing this year are remote."

Looks as if Bush is the only hope for the anti's...and now we can hear more bashing of "pro gun Democrats" when anti gunners need Bush to push their agenda.

Discusting to see such a marraige here, but I guess scum loves scum, and anti-gunners love Bush.

[MrBenchley]

14. Too TOO funny....

"more bashing of "pro gun Democrats" "

Like WHO? Zell Miller? Or the enthusiasts posting right wing horseshit and smearing Democrats here?

[OpSomBlood]

15. You were looking for "pro-gun Democrats" yesterday, and like 20 showed up.

The fact that we didn't follow your orders to post at those gun websites leads you to believe that we are either not pro-gun or not Democrats.

It is obvious that you are only willing to believe what your narrow mindset will allow you to believe.

[MrBenchley]

16. Too TOO funny...

Yeah, we get plenty of "pro-gun democrats" here...where they're happy to post any right wing horseshit they can dredge up or slur respected Democrats like Dianne Feinstein or Jesse Jackson.

But say anything pro-Democrat where other gun owners can hear them....not a chance in hell!

"It is obvious that you are only willing to believe"
What Is obvious is what the evidence shows. And when it comes to "narrow mindset," I'll leave you to pimp for your idiotic chums in the NRA.

[OpSomBlood]

17. You respect a chronic hypocrite and an embezzling adulterer?

I guess anyone with a "D" next to their name is a paragon of virtue.

That is, unless they think people have the right to own a gun. Then, they are indecent scumbag humhole shitheels.

[slackmaster]

18. Being a Democrat makes you immune to criticism

[Township75]

19. So tell us bench,

does Bush snore loudly when you are in bed with him? AFter all, you both want the AWB to pass

[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, town...Kerry co-sponsored the Senate AWB...

and Chimpy hasn't done dick to get it passed, despite his lip-service.

But then who is really surprised when somebody pro-gun like Spurious George turns out again and again to be a dishonest piece of shit? The gun rights cause is lousy with lying, scummy, racist specimens like him, as the roster of the Second Amendment Caucus shows.

[billbuckhead]

21. Since Kerry has pulled ahead the mood seems glum in the

gungeon. I'm excited to get an authentic hero who isn't afraid to take on the NRA.

[MrBenchley]

22. It DOES seem like there's a lot more bitterness

Gee, you'd think "pro-gun Democrats" would be a lot happier...especially since our Congressional chances seem to be improving daily.

But then I got a Republican congresscritter and a primo idiot he is too...I'm looking forward to peppering him with questions about why people can buy guns at gun shows without background checks and why he thinks loonies and criminals ought to be able to get assault weapons. Let's see the idiot back up his votes and his party's actions in public.

[Township75]

23. So is Bush an authentic hero for taking on the NRA

and pushing for the renewal of the AWB?

[OpSomBlood]

24. And why didn't we need anti-gun "heroes" 30 years ago?

The firearms haven't changed much since then.

[MrBenchley]

27. Speak for yourself, op...

How many ordinary Americans were wounded died needlessly over the past thirty years because a corrupt industry was allowed to set public policy, I wonder.

[OpSomBlood]

30. They weren't killed by "assault weapons"

Imagine what progress we could make if people like you concentrated your efforts on taking guns away from violent criminals instead of 99% of the rest of the people who own guns?

[MrBenchley]

31. Imagine how little I care

about your assessment of ANYTHING at this point. Then double it.

[OpSomBlood]

33. I'm glad that people like you are on your side.

Because your myopic viewpoint, authoritarian proposals, and blind allegiance to chronic liars and hypocrites only serves to damage your credibility.

You have no desire to solve problems, you just want to be right. Never mind that being "right" would mean the ultimate destruction of the Democratic party, as a very small portion of people share your radical views.

[Township75]

35. Notice that his post was the epitome of the mind set of anti gunners...

he couldn't even contemplate focusing his efforts on criminals rather than the law abiding.

It isn't about lives or laws with anti gunners, it is just about guns.

[MrBenchley]

40. Hey, town...

Still trying to pretend Chimpy is fighting the gun lobby?

[Township75]

52. hey bench

still working on the law abiding rather than the criminals

[MrBenchley]

53. So the answer is yes, you ARE still pretending...

[MrBenchley]

39. Yeah, it shows...

[OpSomBlood]

43. Was she carrying a gun in that pic?

You know, because she sometimes feels "threatened"?

[MrBenchley]

25. Gee, town...where's he doing that?

Flabby old Bwana Dick was at the "Pimp for the Chimp" rally and they gave him a place of honor.

What's hilarious is that you think anyone is dumb enough to be fooled by this crap...You and I both know the NRA is going to spend every dime they can beg, borrow or steal lying their stinking asses off about Kerry and the Democrats between now and election day.

[OpSomBlood]

26. The Vice President "pimping" for re-election?

What are the odds of that?

How dare a politician campaign to a group of his supporters! Where is the outrage?

[MrBenchley]

28. He's a pro-gun scumbag all the way...

The bullets for brains bunch has such nice playmates.

[OpSomBlood]

29. That's right...I refuse to castigate Cheney for campaigning to the NRA

...therefore I must be some kind of insidious traitor.

[MrBenchley]

32. Hell, op, who takes what you say seriously anymore?

Town was trying to pretend that the Pirates of Halliburton were somehow standing up bravely to these inbred humholes.

[OpSomBlood]

34. Show of hands, who takes what I say more seriously than Benchley's rants?

Let's come back in a few hours and see.

[billbuckhead]

36. The police union has just endorsed Kerry after endorsing Bush

in 2000. Maybe if Bush had signed the weak AWB he wouldn't be in this predicament. The NationalRepublicanRifleASSociation would still endorse Bush if he went door to door grabbing guns. Remember Karl Rove's sex partner Grover Norquist is on the NRA board of directors.

[MrBenchley]

42. Law enforcement groups

are generally in favor of gun control...that's why the NRA created their own phony bunch, LEAA.

"Karl Rove's sex partner Grover Norquist is on the NRA board of directors."
100% correct, Bill. Face it...the only reason for this idiotic NRA announcement in the first place was a desperate attempt to try and paint this unelected drunk as some kind of moderate.

"PITTSBURGH -- A man whose son was killed in the Columbine High School shootings literally walked in his child's shoes to the National Rifle Association convention, where he hoped Vice President Dick Cheney would address the federal assault weapons ban set to expire in September.
Tom Mauser, whose son Daniel was killed with an assault weapon in the Littleton, Colo., killings five years ago Tuesday, said continuing the ban is common sense.
Assault weapons "are the weapons of gangs, drug lords and sick people," Mauser said before his three-block march to the convention, which runs through Sunday. "It is a weapon of war and we don't want this war on our streets."
Mauser entered the convention hall where the NRA was meeting, but was turned away by a security guard as several conventioneers applauded. A couple of conventioneers yelled "Get a life" and "Vote for Bush." "

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3015989/detail.html

[slackmaster]

37. I certainly take OpSomBlood more seriously

n/t

[MrBenchley]

41. "Let's come back in a few hours and see."

Remember how that worked out with all those pro-Democrat posts on those gun owners' forums yesterday...(snicker)

[slackmaster]

45. Yes, you ignored them all and claimed victory

I'll tell you what, MrBenchley. If you can execute the following mission I'll stay completely away from DU forums for 30 days.

1. Register yourself for the forums on AR15.com at http://www.ar15.com/forums/index.html

2. Publicly announce yourself in their GD forum as a visitor from Democratic Underground, using any posting handle you wish.

3. Overcoming all of your impulses to violate the Conduct Code at http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=5 , start threads on these talking points:

- Senator John Kerry would be a better President than George W. Bush.

- The federal assault weapons ban should not only be renewed, but strengthened.

- Having Ted Nugent as a board member runs contrary to the interests of rank-and-file NRA members, and they should actively try to get him removed.

Your mission is to survive one week (seven full days) on the forums without getting booted off due to rude behavior, personal attacks, etc. During the week you must post a minimum of 100 original topics and/or replies. You are required to answer all reasonable questions honestly.

If you last the full week without getting booted, you win the bet.

If don't last the full week but can show that you got booted for purely ideological reasons, you win the bet.

If you get kicked off for your behavior, I win the bet.

What do you say, MrBenchley?

[JayS]

46. Let me contact FOX before y'all do this. This might make a...

...good successor to Survivor. :)

[MrBenchley]

47. Worth peeking once in a while...

Jeeze, slack, besides the FACT that I don't own a gun....

Why the hell would I want to play kissy-face with a bunch of right wing numnutz? I already know those forums are cesspools filled with far right wing imbeciles. If I want to argue in the open, I do so on Delphi.

I'm not the one claiming (falsely) there are millions of rootin' tootin' gun-totin' Democrats and liberals. I can see by the absence of posts like the ones you mentioned or anything like them, that's a steaming pantload, like pretty much everything else our "pro-gun Democrats" say..

Here's the level of "argument" among the intellectual elite at your cesspool: "How about a new spin on Survivor, where liberal "contestants" are on an island and hunted by armed-to-the-teeth AR15.com members. AR15.com Members are chosen in a drawing based on who has the most expensive AR. The "contestants" will be broken up into pairs and zipped tied together at the wrist and ankles like in a 3-legged race. The island will be covered in broken glass, and surrounded by sharks (w/ laser beams attached to their heads). The island is 1km long and 100m wide and each group starts at opposing ends. In the center is a sandpaper lined slide/chute that takes a downward descent to the safety of the underground television studio, where they claim their prize: a lifetime membership to the NRA. The object of the game is simple: run to get to slide to safety. The show will only be a half-hour and will have lots of commercials for beer, guns, and porn. "

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=243738

Wonder if they whack off when they have those fantasies? They're YOUR peers, slack. I know already what a waste of otherwise useful carbon they are.

"you got booted for purely ideological reasons"
Hey, slack, show me anybody who posted anything even remotely liberal there. Ever.

As for whether you come or go; really, who gives a steaming onion fart except you? I only peek at your posts once in a while for the sheer comedy value. Like this one.

[OpSomBlood]

50. You just typed a 348-word response...

...to a person who "nobody gives an onion fart" about.

Your actions seem to contradict your claims. Don't bother editing the post now.

[MrBenchley]

51. And amused myself royally doing so...

Just as it amuses me to see "pro-gun Democrats" who have got time to count every word here but not a moment to spare going over to a gun owner forum to say anything pro-Democrat grousing here about why some folks doubt that they're really Democrats at all.

And that's why the whole damn lot of you aren't worth an onion fart.

And I'll save you the trouble.... seventy-nine words, counting the headline...

[OpSomBlood]

55. You're counting one-by-one, I'm using the "word count" feature in Word.

Technology is amazing.

[slackmaster]

61. Glad to hear you "amused yourself", but sorry you missed the point

I've been a registered user on AR15.com since 1999. I post rarely, going there for technical information, good deals on gun parts, tools, ammunition, etc. I almost never engage in anything resembling a political discussion because of the sensitivity of some members to certain issues, and the fact that it's not intended to be a political sounding board. There are some amusing discussions about evolution and religion, with opinions ranging from biblical literalism through atheism. There are some openly gay contributors as well as folks who are very liberal on social issues like abortion. Not many women post there, but the ones who do have fine senses of humor.

It doesn't take much effort to find AR15.com users who oppose George W. Bush or the USA's actions in Iraq, people who are outraged by the prison abuse scandal, people who approve of gay marriage, and a wide variety of other views that would be accepted by most DUers. Just like there are DUers who have specific views that differ from the mainstream that calls itself progressive and liberal here. I've NEVER seen anyone get kicked off of the forums for having opinions that run counter to the mainstream. Every user who has ever been banned from AR15.com AFAIK was banned for violating the code of conduct; in short, for disrupting. If YOU go to those boards with a magnifying glass, looking for Neanderthal posts or insensitive people you will surely find them, just as anyone coming to Democratic Underground looking for conspiracy theorists or Marxists will surely find them here.

I don't like or hate anyone based on their political views any more than I like or hate anyone based on their religion, or what part of the country they live in, their preference for dogs vs. cats, their sexual orientation. The people on AR15.com are my peers because we have a common interest in the AR-15 rifle and firearms in general. I get along pretty well with anyone who is capable of behaving in a polite, rational, and civil manner regardless of petty differences of opinion. Those people are my peers because I can interact with them on an intellectual level and share ideas without throwing childish insults at each other.

Your response shows that you missed the whole point of my challenge, which to show that it is possible to hold views that differ from the mainstream on a gun-oriented forum and not get booted just because of what you believe in as long as you can behave like an adult and treat others with respect. I chose those three issues because on one of them you and I are pretty much in agreement; on another we disagree completely, and on the third I don't care at all respectfully.

I was pretty sure you didn't have the balls to take me up on my challenge, MrBenchley. Your response did not disappoint.

Have a nice day.

[MrBenchley]

65. I didn't miss the point...

I plan to post selected segments of those dreary shitheads' "wisdom" right here, and let's see you refute any of it over there.

"it is possible to hold views that differ from the mainstream on a gun-oriented forum and not get booted"
How the hell would anybody know...since not a one of our "pro-gun Democrats" ever says so much as a tiny tiny peep where their fellow "enthusiasts" can hear them?

If you want to prove even a speck of that shit is true...go do it yourself. I challenged the "enthusiasts" here first, if you want to have a playground game.

"I don't like or hate anyone based on their political views"
Gee, who was that posting a picture of John Wayne Gacy and pretending that was a typical Democrat? It sure as hell wasn't anyone but you, slack.

"as long as you can behave like an adult and treat others with respect"
Jeeze, slack,I GOT no respect at all for the kind of right wing pinhead who hangs out in a cesspool like biggun-nodick.com. I got no idea why anyone would have respect for such dimwitted maggots. They're the sort of idiots who hold beer blasts outside prisons and cheer when condemned convicts are killed. They long for the days of lynching bees and McCarthyism. They're the sort of scum who would gleefully join in torturing prisoners if they could. Lacking that, they shout ditto at the flabby junkie on the radio and serve as pResident Turd's eager constituency.

By the way, guess how much respect I have for someone who can post stuff like this...

Slackmaster (#32): "The presence of a few idiots in Nazi uniforms need not spoil a family outing."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=22105

"slackmaster
47. Who is this "RKBA crowd" you keep referring to?
However I will concede that now that I've read it I don't see anything at all wrong with the GOP's platform."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20403&mesg_id=20484&page=


"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[OpSomBlood]

69. Keep referring to the extensive notes you keep on everyone.

We've got ourselves a regular J. Edgar Hoover here!

[MrBenchley]

73. I'm very happy to....

Seems to me that Robert Benchley had something very pertinent to say on the subject...

[slackmaster]

81. Always quick with the Straw Man, aren't you MrBenchley?

Gee, who was that posting a picture of John Wayne Gacy and pretending that was a typical Democrat?

Anyone with two functional brain cells who read the threads where I posted Pogo the Clown could see that was not my intended message.

MrBenchley has a serious credibility problem.

He claims smokeless powders used in Europe contain taggants. They don't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=44507&mesg_id=44563&page=

Rather than acknowledge that the Pink Pistols is a genuine pro-gun group of gay people, he'd rather believe that the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20608&mesg_id=20675&page=

He claims proposed Iraqi constitution says "All gun owners must be registered and all guns licensed." It doesn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=49018&mesg_id=49135&page=

MrBenchley claimed that kits to convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic machineguns are legal (thanks to efforts by the gun lobby), and that anyone can buy one at a gun show.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x50058#53363

Of course, that isn't true at all. See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter37.txt

MrBenchley admits he hasn't even read a magazine that he's criticized repeatedly, and even posts images of its cover.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55135&mesg_id=55138

And my all-time favorite, MrBenchley posted two links that were supposed to identify five "assault weapons",

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55681&mesg_id=55811&page=

But he was wrong on 4 out of 5. Three of them are machineguns and the fourth is a post-ban semiautomatic AK variant which is perfectly legal under the AW ban.

MrBenchley claimed he typed an 88-word quote from a newspaper published 10 weeks earlier from memory with 100% accuracy, when he actually took the quote from a pro-RKBA source and didn't want anyone to read the rest of the article - http://www.2ndamendment.com/Miscellaneous/News/20040227-05.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=56802&mesg_id=56915

And MrBenchley thinks 2003 - 12 = 1994.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=57473&mesg_id=57575

[MrBenchley]

84. No straw man at all, slack...your own scummy photo

And that's why I'm quoting, and you're paraphrasing and distorting...

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[slackmaster]

89. People who participate in a Big Lie don't realize

...that what they are saying is untrue.

I don't know why that's such a difficult concept for you to grasp, other than the fact that you are an unwitting participant in the Big Lie yourself.

[MrBenchley]

90. Funniest post yet....

"I don't know why that's such a difficult concept for you to grasp"
Maybe it's because I consider the source....

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[MrBenchley]

54. By the way, slack....

"- Senator John Kerry would be a better President than George W. Bush."
How come YOU have not been making that argument over there? After all, you are a "Democratic gun owner" and it appears to be a forum you know pretty well.

Like I said, worth it once in a while but only for the comedy value.

[slackmaster]

See reply #61

I've got you covered.

[MrBenchley]

67. Where you dodged the question...

Why haven't you already posted that thread "John Kerry would make a great president" on that gun site YOU hang out at?

Some answers are so obvious as to seem silly.

"slackmaster
47. Who is this "RKBA crowd" you keep referring to?
However I will concede that now that I've read it I don't see anything at all wrong with the GOP's platform."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20403&mesg_id=20484&page=

[slackmaster]

82. Already answered, but I'll answer it one more time

Why haven't you already posted that thread "John Kerry would make a great president"

Because that would be dishonest.

[MrBenchley]

85. Gee, that doesn't stop you here....

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[slackmaster]

88. And what do you think you are proving by posting those links

Notice that not one person has ever come forward to say "Gee MrBenchley, thanks for proving that slackmaster is <fill in whatever insult here>".

[MrBenchley]

91. No, but I did notice

that not one of our "pro-gun democrats" can actually be detected saying anything even remotely pro-Democrat where their fellow "enthusiasts" might overhear it.

[slackmaster]

62. Dupe - please delete

Double-clicked the mousie.

[JayS]

44. How many times do we get to vote? n/t

n/t

[MrSandman]

76. WV Representatives...n/t

[billbuckhead]

77. The best thing for Bush would be to pass the AWB & NRA not to endorse him

I'm more scared of that. Bush has the white male vote tied up, it's the women and minorities that he's falling off the face of the planet with. Here's an excellent issue to prove that Bush is soft on terrorism and out of touch with suburban security moms.

[MrSandman]

78. No, quietly encourage 2038...

Veto it over the Democratic opposition because it is not a renewal but a "over-reaching," then the Reps. voting for it will be left holding the bag.

Not a likely scenario since to veto 2038, would be to turn down discretionary executive authority. Not likely from this President.

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