GUNS IN THE NEWS - May 12, 2004

[CO Liberal]

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[CO Liberal]

1. R&B figure John Whitehead shot dead in Philadelphia

Another famous person whose life was ended by a bullet. - Wayne

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R&B figure John Whitehead shot dead in Philadelphia

The Associated Press May 12, 2004

John Whitehead, a prominent R&B artist best known for the 1979 hit song "Ain't No Stoppin' Us Now," was shot dead Tuesday, police said.

Whitehead, 55, and another man were shot by two gunmen while working on a vehicle, police said. The assailants fled.

Whitehead was shot in the neck and collapsed. Ohmed Johnson, who was shot in the buttocks, was in good condition early Wednesday at Albert Einstein Medical Center, a hospital spokeswoman said.

Police said the gunmen fired a series of bullets; a young neighborhood girl said she heard 12 shots.

"Why did they do this to my dad?" Dawn Whitehead, 33, asked at the scene. "I just talked to him yesterday ... He was a fun person. Who would want to kill him?"

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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11632348&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465812&rfi=6

[CO Liberal]

2. Metro Center Shooting Raises Gun-Ownership Age Issue

Metro Center Shooting Raises Gun-Ownership Age Issue

POSTED: 4:48 pm CDT May 11, 2004

JACKSON, Miss. -- Jackson police said changes in the law are needed to help cut crime in the metro area, citing Friday night's shooting at Metro Center as an example of what's happening all over the city.

The man charged with firing a shot inside the mall, Denarius Pryor, is just 19 years old.

While the single shot fired inside the food court didn't hurt anyone, Jackson Police Chief Robert Moore said most of the crimes involving weapons in the city are committed by people under the age of 25. He said he would like to see the age requirement raised for gun ownership.

"We have seen over and over again where these youngsters don't know what to do with a weapon," Moore said. "You don't go to a mall and shoot in the mall – that's stupid, no matter how you look at it. You don't do that."

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http://www.thejacksonchannel.com/news/3293612/detail.html

[CO Liberal]

3. Congressman helps subdue woman claiming to have gun (NC)

And yet another "law-abiding gun owner." - Wayne

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Congressman helps subdue woman claiming to have gun

Associated Press

CLINTON, N.C. - U.S. Rep. Bob Etheridge helped police subdue and arrest a woman who interrupted an elementary school appearance Tuesday, saying she had a gun.

Etheridge was speaking to about 200 students at L.C. Kerr Elementary School when a woman started talking about visions of demons. As police approached her, she said she had a gun.

The Democrat from Lillington told WRAL-TV that the woman said, "I'll kill you," then reached into her purse. He said he grabbed the woman, who was within a few feet of him, and held her arms to her side until she could be subdued.

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http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031775396497&path=!localnews&s=1037645509099

[LibLabUK]

11. What!

You mean to say that someone diffused a potentially dangerous situation without being armed themselves?

This can't be true!

[CO Liberal]

14. Amazing, Isn't It???

And the disarming was done by a Democrat!!!

:kick:

[CO Liberal]

4. Fayette County sheriff wants gun rights restored (AL)

This guy sounds like a real poster child for the Nuts Ruining America. - Wayne

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Fayette County sheriff wants gun rights restored

The Associated Press
May 11, 2004

Fayette County's sheriff, who pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion in 1989, is seeking a second pardon to get his gun rights restored and end his status as a rare sheriff without a gun.

The Alabama Board of Pardons and Paroles has scheduled a June 2 hearing for Fayette County Sheriff Hubert M. Norris, 69.

Norris, who was sheriff from 1974 to 1989, spent almost three years in prison for federal racketeering and tax evasion charges that were part of a bootlegging investigation.

His political rights were restored in 1994, and he began campaigning to return to office. He ran for sheriff in 1994 and 1998 but lost. He won a County Commission seat in 2000 and was elected sheriff in 2002.

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http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040511/APN/405110794

[TX-RAT]

5. Only 3 years

Awful light sentence for a very serious crime. He should never have been allowed to run as a felon and he should never be allowed to own a gun. If he is caught with a gun in his possession he should be tried as any other felon in possession with a firearm.

[OpSomBlood]

6. He's a felon. He shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

Were you expecting us to rally behind that guy?

[CO Liberal]

8. There Have Been Discussions On This Board In The Past...

...about restoring gun rights to convicted felons. It seems some pro-gunners out there think it's a good idea.

[OpSomBlood]

9. No, I'm a proponent of targeted gun control.

When people demonstrate disregard for the law, they lose their right to own a gun. You won't hear that argument from me.

[CO Liberal]

12. We May Not Hear It From You, Ops...

...but we've heard it from others in the past.

[MrSandman]

15. He still will have federal prohibitions...

And no applications are being processed due to non-funding. Don't look for him to get gun rights restored...unless he makes some convoluted 10th amendment argument.
The fact that BATF(E) is not processing apps for restoration has been decided in court, IIRC.


Off topic...Spell checker suggests BATF be replaced with BARF...sometimes appropriate.

[slackmaster]

34. We've also seen people on DU suggesting that convicted felons...

...should have their right to vote restored, since so many of them belong to socio-economic, racial, or ethnic groups that tend to have a high percentage of registered Democrats.

I can take it or leave it either way - Either restore all of their civil rights or none of them. It makes no difference to me.

[FatSlob]

50. I have no problem with a neutral board of review or a court

restoring rights if it is proper. I do not know enough about the cases mentioned to comment upon the propriety of relief from disability.

[slackmaster]

51. You mean judging each individual on his or her own merits

Rather than a blanket relief or lack thereof?

I guess that would be OK, but it opens the door to discrimination. I'd prefer a completely objective system.

[FatSlob]

55. Where could we get the completely objective?

That's why I think the board is the best choice. Followed by a court. Any ideas?

[slackmaster]

56. The only objective solution IMO is all or nothing

Restore ALL civil rights (including voting and RKBA) or NONE of them.

Right now the nation has a patchwork of different systems, which leads to inequalities like the voter registration issues in Florida in the 2000 election.

[CO Liberal]

7. He Must Have Had Fun In Prison....

...once the other inmates learned he was a sheriff.

:-)

[LibLabUK]

13. How dumb...

How dumb do the electorate have to be to elect a convicted fraudster to public office, let alone Law enforcement?

This is simply mindboggling.

[TX-RAT]

16. Can't figure out how he was allowed to run.

[Romulus]

22. easy

after Asscrack decides that all those local city council-people who voted to comdemn the Patriot Act have committed "treason," they will be "prosecuted and convicted felons."

When the local voters vote their favorite local pol back into office, they will have "elect(ed) a convicted fraudster to public office." That's probably how the voters down there see it.

Dictionary.com:
Treason: 1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

[MrBenchley]

10. Business owner, secretary found slain (IL)

"Cook County investigators are trying to gather clues to a possible murder-suicide involving two people found shot to death Monday inside a moving company.
The bodies of the owner and secretary of North Shore Movers were discovered by an employee about 5:45 p.m. at 600 Waukegan Road, in unincorporated Northfield Township, said Cook County Sheriff's Police spokeswoman Penny Mateck.
The victims were identified as Francis Larkin, 58, the owner of North Shore Movers, and 40-year-old Dorothy Striblen, the secretary, Mateck said. Both lived in unincorporated Glenview. A gun was recovered from the scene."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-dead11.html

[MrBenchley]

17. Bathroom graffiti warns of shooting (NC)

"CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- For the rest of this week, there will be increased security at Charlotte’s Olympic High School.
That is because graffiti was found in a boys’ bathroom last week saying that a shooting would take place May 14 (Friday).
School officials are sending a letter home that explains the situation."

http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/Default.asp?ArID=62872&SecID=2


Quick...what right wing lobbying group that just held a "Pimp for the Chimp" rally in Pittsburgh publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[LibLabUK]

18. Hmm

Shouldn't the school authorities be issuing firearms to all the students and teachers... then when the shooter turns up and kills someone they can all return fire.. and justice will be served.

That's how the argument goes isn't it?

[MrBenchley]

21. Yup, you hit it on the head...

[slackmaster]

29. Technically a Straw Man argument is a type of argument

Mildly humorous but not conducive to constructive debate of the topic.

[OpSomBlood]

19. This is "Graffiti in the News"

n/t

[LibLabUK]

20. Ummm

No... it's a situation solely confined to the US: the threat of school children committing mass murder.

The funny thing is they all pick guns as their weapon of choice... no cases of 15 kids being killed with a fish-slice, or baseball bat.

Funny that.

Well not really... very sad.

[MrBenchley]

23. Hell, search engines have a standing category: school shootings

How trigger-happy and dishonest does someone have to be to try to defend their ugly little toy in this situation?

[OpSomBlood]

25. An illegally purchased "toy".

It's already illegal for children to take guns to school. It's already illegal for adults to purchase guns for children.

[CO Liberal]

26. And It's Already Illegal to Murder Someone or Rob A Bank

Your point????

:shrug:

[OpSomBlood]

28. The point is that the solution to lawbreakers isn't more laws.

Similarly, if there is a small group of people who insist on drag racing at 150 miles per hour, would you consider changing the speed limit from 55 to 50 an effective solution?

Wouldn't you target the people doing 150 instead?

[CO Liberal]

30. Of Course You Would Target the Drag Racers

Conversely, you wouldn't handle the drag racing issue by scrapping all the speed limit laws, right? But that's pretty much what many pro-gunners advocate when they talk about unfettered access to guns.

[MrBenchley]

31. As Iverglas correctly noted

the gun nuts' solution to the drag racing problem would be to mandate 150 mph for everyone, then have "Harry Humvee" teach kids to jump and roll when crossing streets...

[slackmaster]

32. When logic and reason fails, break out the emergency Straw Man

Works every time.

[CO Liberal]

35. My Side Didn't Start the Drag Racing Strrawman, Slack

Your side did.

[OpSomBlood]

37. It's no straw man. When people break the law, punish them.

Don't expand the law to make more people criminals. It's a lazy and doesn't solve the problem.

[CO Liberal]

39. Oh, I Get It

When your side changes the subject, it's perfectly logical and reasonable. If my side changes the subject, it's a strawman.

[OpSomBlood]

40. The straw man is the "gun nuts' solution" to drag racing.

Benchley invented a hypothetical opponent to argue with...that "gun nuts" would endorse an obviously ridiculous proposal.

I presented a parallel. Benchley presented a ridiculous, irrelevant scenario.

[MrBenchley]

41. That's horseshit, op....

the gun nut's solution to gun crime is to hand out pistol permits to loonies and send Eddie Eagle to public schools so the foul fowl can spout rubbish at taxpayer expense...

[slackmaster]

44. Straw Man

...the gun nut's solution to gun crime is to hand out pistol permits to loonies...

Did you type that from memory like the KC Star quote in http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=56802&mesg_id=56876, or did you just make it up, MrBenchley?

[CO Liberal]

43. Once Again, I Get It

Arguments presented by your side are "parallels". Arguments presented by my side are "ridiculous, irrelevant scenarios."

[OpSomBlood]

45. Ridiculous, irrelevant scenarios are ridiculous, irrelevant scenarios.

Regardless of which side presents them.

[MrBenchley]

46. Yeah, and the gun lobby spends millions

trying to turn their ridiculous, irrelevant scenario into fact.



Harry Humvee says, "Vroom! Vroom! Jump and roll, kids!"

[MrBenchley]

24. High school student arrested for pointing gun at 2 others (MT)

"MISSOULA (AP) - Police arrested a Hellgate High School student Monday afternoon, after he allegedly pointed a gun at two other students while driving down the street during lunch.
Police Lt. Jim Neumayer said Conrad Cooper, 18, was jailed on suspicion of felony assault. Police found the gun, a BB gun designed to look like a semiautomatic handgun, in Cooper's car.
The two victims, Big Sky and Sentinel students, were in a separate car. Neumayer said Cooper knew one of the two."

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2004/05/11/build/state/48-student-gun.inc

[FatSlob]

27. Conceal and Carry: One Month Later (OHIO)

my comments:
Seems like the sky isn't falling. Nor will it likely.

http://www.marionstar.com/news/stories/20040511/localnews/398800.html

MARION -- The concealed carry law most likely won't mean the return of twitchy-fingered gunslingers yelling "draw!" at high noon.
<snip>
According to FBI Uniform Crime Reports, violent crime rates are highest overall in states that don't have laws or have limited laws that permit carrying concealed firearms for self-defense.
<snip>
The law has detailed restrictions on who can receive a license. Restrictions to apply include that a person can have no current or past felony or drug offenses. Also, a person cannot have been found mentally ill by the courts. There are also restrictions concerning juvenile records.

[MrBenchley]

33. Owner of Pizza Chain and His Son Are Shot Inside Their Home (NY)

"The owner of a chain of pizzerias and his son were shot repeatedly at close range in their home in Newburgh, N.Y., on Monday morning, and the police appealed on Tuesday for information about the shooting.
The restaurateur, Cosimo DiBrizzi, 64, and his son, Nicolas, 26, were flown by helicopter to Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla, where they were recovering Tuesday from surgery, said Detective Sgt. Margaret R. O'Neill of the Town of Newburgh police. Both men have been too sedated and traumatized to answer many questions, she said.
Cosimo DiBrizzi's wife, Angela, briefly saw the gunman, whom she described to the police as a white man in his early 40's with a medium build, Sergeant O'Neill said. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/12/nyregion/12restaurant.html?ex=1085025600&en=948cb70fc1d383f0&ei=5006&partner=ALTAVISTA1

[OpSomBlood]

49. "There was no sign of forced entry, nothing stolen and no evident motive"

Sounds like a mob hit to me.

[MrBenchley]

36. Boston Police Investigate Shooting

"Boston police still have no suspects after the shooting of an 18-year-old in Dorchester.
Police said the victim was shot at least three times as he sat on the front porch of his home on Vassar Street Tuesday night. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/wbal/20040512/lo_WCVB/2201710

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[MrBenchley]

42. Abilene man kills wife, self

"An Abilene man shot and killed his wife Tuesday afternoon before turning the gun on himself, said Abilene police.
Max Apis, 45, used a handgun to shoot Maria Apis, 31, in a car in front of their home in the 3000 block of Post Oak Road, police said.
''It appears at this time that he shot her multiple times, then turned the gun on himself,'' said Sgt. Roger Berry, a detective with the Abilene police Crimes Against Persons Unit.
Police have not yet determined exactly how many shots were fired at the woman, Berry said. The woman was shot in the upper chest. The man appeared to have died from a gunshot wound to the head, Berry said. "

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/home/article/0,1874,ABIL_7941_2879143,00.html

[MrBenchley]

47. Teens' website spawns warrants which lead to assault rifle cache

"EUREKA -- Five law enforcement agencies, including the FBI and the U.S. Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, served five search warrants Tuesday morning that led to the seizure of four assault rifles, a shotgun, another rifle and four handguns.
Five teenagers, ranging from 16 to 18 years old, and an adult about 50 years old, were the subjects of the warrants.
The department said a "concerned" adult approached Eureka Police Department's School Resource Officer, Louis Altic, last Thursday and told him about a website some teenagers had created. Police are not releasing the website's address, but said it had pictures of some of the teens holding assault rifles, surrounded by ammunition and displaying gang signs.
Other areas of the site included a "Who do we hate list," biographies of the four teens that included statistics on how many fights they were in and their win and loss records. Another area of the site included license plate numbers of people on the "Who do we hate list."
The site also has an area named "Bum hunt" that shows pictures of homeless people around Eureka."

http://www.times-standard.com/Stories/0,1413,127~2896~2143466,00.html

Guns bring such fun for young folks....

[OpSomBlood]

48. Arrest their parents.

n/t

[Romulus]

53. some people

apparantly want to blame the tool, unless it's something they like, such as a cricket bat or baseball bat or carving knife or their car . . .

[MrBenchley]

58. Bum hunting--what a sport!!

It must break some people's hearts that it got interrupted before a few kills were notched.

For that matter, I wonder if there WERE any unsolved shootings of homeless people in the area? There's no end of the "fun" guns can bring to young folks.

[MrBenchley]

52. Officials investigate double shooting (SC)

"Detectives are investigating a double shooting, as one woman recovers at Carolinas Medical Center. Nikki Fleming, 29, of 924 Great Falls Highway, delivered herself to the Chester County Hospital after being wounded by a shotgun blast Saturday morning after 3 a.m.
Wilton Mabry Weir, 68, was found dead at the residence he shared with Fleming.
"Both victims had gunshot wounds," Det. James McNeil of the Chester County Sheriff's Office, said.
Officers responded to the Great Falls Highway residence after 911 reported two hang-up calls from there, according to a police report. The reporting officer, K. A. Crank, found broken glass on the front porch and small droplets of blood."

http://www.onlinechester.com/articles/2004/05/12/headlines/news2.txt

[MrBenchley]

54. Police find cash, guns in drug investigation (PA)

"CLEARFIELD - Police found two handguns and a safety deposit box containing more than $76,000 during an ongoing investigation of a local man they say was one of the largest cocaine dealers in the region.
Lamar D. Robinson, 22, was arrested last week when police said he came to collect $8,700 owed to him for drugs by a confidential informant working with police. State police began investigating Robinson about two months ago and, using an informant, obtained six ounces of cocaine and two pounds of marijuana from him in 10 days, according to Cpl. John Bravis.
Investigations into the case continue and police have located two handguns at Robinson's Vairo Boulevard apartment -- a Llama .45 caliber semi-automatic and a Ruger P94 .40 caliber. Both guns were loaded, police said."

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/8647482.htm

[MrBenchley]

57. Cousin says he was hired to shoot defendant, disrupt trial (AL)

Just a couple of fun-loving "enthusiasts" with guns....

"A cousin of murder defendant John Wesley Stacey says Stacey hired him to shoot him in the back, apparently in an effort to disrupt his trial.
Dale Snellgrove, who said he fired the shot, was not charged with any crime as of Tuesday.
Snellgrove, 34, said Stacey phoned him early Tuesday. "I'd be doing him a big favor is the way he put it," Snellgrove said.
Stacey, 54, is on trial in the shooting death of Henry Gill, 52. Gill suffered five shots from a .22-caliber pistol belonging to Stacey, according to the defendant and others who testified. Stacey claims self-defense.
Snellgrove said Stacey told him that he would forget the remainder of a debt on an 1988 Astro van and would give him an additional $500 for shooting him."

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040512/APN/405120552

[slackmaster]

59. Darwin Award wannabe

:D

[TX-RAT]

60. No kidding

Must be related to the old boy who shot himself in the foot to get out of the draft. He later found out he had flat feet.

[MrBenchley]

61. Loaded gun found near a school (CT)

"NEW BRITAIN -- A loaded gun was found near a school playground in Tuesday.
Students at the Smalley Elementary School discovered the 38 caliber gun right alongside the school's chain link fence.
It was on the opposite side of school property, but still accessible to students.
Police say a preliminary record check shows the gun is not stolen. "

http://www.wfsb.com/Global/story.asp?S=1861880&nav=1VGmN3rF

[MrBenchley]

62. Girl, 15, charged with bringing gun to school (SC)

"INDIAN LAND - A 15-year-old Indian Land High School student was charged Monday with having a weapon on school grounds after a loaded gun was found in her pants.
Sheriff Johnny Cauthen said a student reported that the girl had the gun in her possession.
Bryan Vaughn, transportation and safety director for the Lancaster County School District, said ILHS Principal Mary Bernsdorff and School Resource Officer Corey McIlwain took the girl to another room and Bernsdorff searched her. The loaded, .25-caliber semi-automatic pistol was found concealed in the front of the girl's pants, Vaughn said. Because the information school officials received specifically named the 15-year-old, they did not have to do a sweep of the school or lock it down, Vaughn said."

http://www.thelancasternews.com/articles/2004/05/12/news/news04_girl.txt

[MrBenchley]

63. Police seek four men in Boca Raton bank robbery (FL)

"Four armed men took over a Boca Raton bank for five minutes on Tuesday morning, pistol-whipping two tellers before fleeing with cash, authorities said.
About 9:15 a.m., the suspects, wearing masks and gloves, entered Fidelity Federal Bank & Trust, 2400 N. Federal Highway, and ordered everyone inside to the floor, said FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela.
Two men were armed with handguns and the other two were carrying long rifles, Orihuela said. Three of the suspects jumped over the counter during the robbery and two bank tellers suffered minor injuries from being pistol-whipped."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-0512palmrobbery,0,7771609.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

[MrBenchley]

64. Brothers Arrested In Double Shooting On Frenchman (LA)

"New Orleans police on Wednesday booked two brothers in connection with a double shooting Friday in the 4400 block of Frenchmen Street.
Eric Smith, 25, and his brother, Charles Leflore, 33, both of New Orleans, face a charge of attempted murder.
According to investigators, officers responding to the Friday shooting found two people, ages 20 and 25, outside their home suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. Investigators learned that the victims had responded to the doorbell, and when the opened the door, several suspects were standing outside. One of the suspects produced a handgun and began shooting. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kmbc/20040512/lo_wdsu/2202866