GUNS IN THE NEWS--April 16, 2004

[MrBenchley]

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[MrBenchley]

1. Nation's Gun Lobby Creating News Company

Guess that TV station went the way of the theme restaurant....

"WASHINGTON - The National Rifle Association is creating a news corporation, starting an Internet talk show and preparing to buy a radio station to speak about candidates and gun rights at election time despite new political ad limits.
LaPierre said the NRA is taking several steps to become a "legitimate packager of news" like newspapers and TV networks, including hiring Cam Edwards, a conservative talk-show host from Oklahoma City.
Started with a $1 million investment, the Internet programming features news briefs in the morning and at noon, followed by a three-hour afternoon "news show/talk show" with Edwards as host. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040416/ap_on_re_us/nra_news_8



Like newshound Matt Drudge, Cam wears a hat indoors. They need them to keep the air conditioning from making a distracting piccolo noise as it blows past the holes in their head.

[demsrule4life]

2. The question is

will they at least be able to pay their bills?

[MrBenchley]

3. That IS a good question, considering they're in the red

about $100 million.

Or did you mean something else by that, dems?

By the way, Cam sure looks like a million bucks worth of talent, don't he?

[Township75]

4. I bet Cam will be able to get more people to listen to his radio show...

than you got to listen to yours

[MrBenchley]

6. You want to listen to a right wing piece of shit like Cam

town, don't let me stop you.

[Township75]

17. You want to get beat in the ratings by a RWPOS like Cam

bench, don't let me stop you.

[Wubbman]

19. Holy shit

Mr. B, you have a radio show? Is it webcast?

[MrBenchley]

21. Gee, wubbman...

Ask town...

[Wubbman]

28. Well...

I wasn't being sarcastic. But from your response, I guess you don't.

[MrBenchley]

20. Jeeze, town, if only somebody on earth knew

what the hell you were babbling about....

[Superfly]

22. It's not that hard to figure out...

and the fact that somebody is having problems understanding him is really quite surprising. No, wait a minute. Nah, I take that back, it's not very surprising at all.

[MrBenchley]

25. I guess this is one of those bits of RKBA "logic"

that makes me glad I ain't got a speck of whatever's rattling around some people's skulls...

Have I got a radio program? No.
Has Cam got a radio program? Evidently he's got or had a second rate Rush Limbaugh imitation in Oklahoma...which he is abandoning for a streaming website financed by the scum of the earth.

By the way, can anybody figure out why rootin' tootin' liberals on a board for Democrats and progressives are all trying (and so ineptly at that) to defend this conservative pinhead?

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[MrBenchley]

29. So in other words, fly,

you don't know what the fuck town is babbling about either.

[Township75]

34. Try harder, bench...

you're not too convincing.

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[MrBenchley]

39. Convincing about what?

Sometime you ought to at least try to make sense while you're pimping for right wing asswipes like Cam and the NRA.

[slackmaster]

9. More cold-reading of an individual based on one still photo

By the way, Cam sure looks like a million bucks worth of talent, don't he?

Shameful, really shameful.

Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at

...

2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=prejudice

[RoeBear]

40. Interesting how you form opinions...

...based on how someone looks.

First it was this guy:


Then this Cam guy. I know just how it is to have people form opinions about me based on appearance. It's a sick form of prejudice that I would hope you would be trying to eliminate rather than encourage.

[MrBenchley]

41. Jeeze, roe, it SAYS Cam's a conservative pinhead in the text...

The fact that he looks like a fucking idiot too is just the cherry on top of the sundae.

But hey, it's always funny to see how desperately the RKBA crowd will stick up for right wing asswipes.

[RoeBear]

43. And YOU say...

" Cam sure looks like a million bucks worth of talent, don't he?"

Nothing about his politics just his appearance, like I said before, a sick form of prejudice.

And where EXACTLY did I stick up for either of these guys?

[MrBenchley]

45. Tell us, roe...

Do you think they pick Rush wannabes in local Oklahoma radio for their TALENT?

Do you think actual talented performers were offered this gig and passed on it?

He looks like the ignorant right wing piece of shit he is, and anybody dumb enough to buy the twisted right wing crap he peddles deserves all the abuse decent people can give them. Now go cry about how unfair that is to somebody who gives a shit.

[RoeBear]

51. Where did I defend him?

Show me, NOW!

[MrBenchley]

52. Yeah, where could that be?

If only there were some posts with your name on them pissing and moaning about how unfair it is to say this right wing humhole looks like a talentless dork who ought to be pelted with turds by decent people.

[RoeBear]

54. My problem is with your prejudice about people...

...based on appearances. A subject that I know plenty about and you obviously don't. I pity you for not recognizing your own prejudices.
Maybe someday when you mature you'll realize the difference.

[MrBenchley]

53. P.S: Here's what they had to say in LBN...

about your talentless pal and his jerkweed show for cretins...

"Turbineguy 
1. It's a shame they can't get
Charlie Manson to help out."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x492909

"Pinko Commie
17. Give the gun lobby credit, though...
...They'll only stop masturbating when you pry their penis from their cold, dead hand."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=489232

[MrSandman]

55. One question...

"He sure looks like one demented humhole."

What does dementia "look" like?

I did not see any appearances in the diagnostic criteria.

[MrBenchley]

42. By the way, roe, thanks for running Nutso's photo again

He sure looks like one demented humhole.

[RoeBear]

44. He looks like a man...

...and that is ALL that I can determine from his appearance. You, with your magical powers, can assertain that he is not just a man but that he is a 'demented humhole' based ONLY on his picture.
Sick prejudice.

[MrBenchley]

46. He looks like a fucking screwloose...

And that doesn't take any magical powers to see.

[RoeBear]

47. You lose all credibility...

...when you make a determination like that based on a person's picture.

I would really like to see ANYONE here defend your opinion that he looks like a "fucking screwloose" based on the picture.

Anyone care too?

[slackmaster]

48. The only other supporter of that theory got P.O.d and left the thread

Which is now locked.

[MrBenchley]

49. With whom?

The kind of person who posts crap from American Daily and doesn't notice the racism there? The kind of person who wants to stick up for a right wing radio nutjob and pretend simultaneously he isn't doing so?

[slackmaster]

50. You lose credibility with any objective, reasonable person

Who sees someone making summary judgement about another person based on such scant data.

[slackmaster]

10. URL quoted in my local newspaper goes to something very odd

See http://www.nra-news.com for a chuckle.

I believe the "real" link is http://www.nranews.com

[Romulus]

5. Woman Kills Attacker (MI)

I am not sure if this was posted before . . .

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm19339_20040414.htm

Woman Kills Attacker, 8 shootings Claim 4 lives

A woman shot an armed man to death Tuesday after he attacked her as she was entering her east-side Detroit home, police said.
The woman, who owns a car dealership, was at the side door of her home in the 15200 block of Troester at 7:45 p.m. when a man ran up behind her brandishing a nickel-plated handgun, Officer Derek Jones said.

*snip*

She tried to shut her screen door, but he pulled it open and began shoving her into the house, police said. As they struggled, she pulled a handgun from her purse and fired about five shots, Jones said.

*snip*

Jones said the man was 42 years old and had a criminal record for breaking and entering homes. Police declined to release his name pending notification of his relatives.

Jones said the woman had a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

*snip/more*

What is interesting is that this self-defense shooting is lumped in with several criminal shootings:

"Detroit police said citywide, at least eight people were shot in less than four hours Tuesday night. At least four of them were killed in the incidents which included a carjacking and an incident police said was drug related."

[MrBenchley]

7. Mother Finds Son Shot To Death On Porch

"A southwest Houston mother opened her door shortly after midnight Friday morning to find her son shot to death on her front porch.
Police said the 24-year-old victim was arguing with another man in the parking lot of the Pine Terrace Apartment complex in the 3900 block of O'Meara when the suspect pulled a gun.
The victim was shot in the head as he beat on the door of his mother's apartment, trying to get inside, according to investigators. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040416/lo_kprc/2098238

[MrBenchley]

8. Officer shot, injured in ambush (MO)

"ST. LOUIS - A St. Louis police officer was shot in the leg early Friday when he was ambushed while following a stolen car, police said.
The undercover officer was driving an unmarked vehicle when the suspects apparently realized they were being followed, Police Chief Joe Mokwa said.
Mokwa told KSDK-TV that the car thieves apparently notified others nearby. Soon, the officer's car was surrounded by other cars. At least one person walked up to the officer's car and began shooting."

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/8447317.htm

[MrBenchley]

11. Shooting suspect held; female victim criticial

"A woman shot several times remained in critical condition Wednesday night, and her male companion was in fair condition after what authorities are calling a domestic dispute. A suspect in the Tuesday shooting turned himself in to authorities.
Teresa Ann Roberson, 35, was hit with 22-caliber bullets under the chin, in the abdomen and chest at her 1952 Longleaf Drive home near Hollywood Crossroads on Tuesday, said Investigations Chief Lee Moore of the Pitt County Sheriff's Office.
Robert Outlaw, 44, of 221 Fairway Drive was shot in the arm, shoulder and abdomen while inside the residence, Moore said. Both were rushed to Pitt County Memorial Hospital. Three juveniles were inside the home at the time but were not injured, said Moore. "

http://www.reflector.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2004/04/15/1082006943.05522.4417.0881.html;COXnetJSessionID=A1eYfwM6S91DBtmnnaph61jcmA1o9nWyQ4B66ud7J1dJ9cRTuqPv!-1088967648?urac=n&urvf=10821219440610.29117047472653657

[MrBenchley]

12. Police Try To Sort Out Deadly Shooting (NM)

"Albuquerque Police are looking at multiple crime scenes connected to a deadly shooting Thursday night.
It started with two calls of shots fired at both 47th and Central, and Old Coors and Churchill. Witnesses said they saw men in a pickup and a car firing shots at each other.
Police later found a 20-year-old man and a pickup at Central and Rio Grande. The man had a gunshot wound to the head and later died from his injuries.
Officers found the car and four other men at Sunset and Bridge. One of those men had a gunshot wound to his hand. The other three men were detained and questioned. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040416/lo_koat/2098466

[MrBenchley]

13. Police: Man Kills Ex-Wife, Then Himself (OH)

Another family made safer by guns...

"A man shot and killed his ex-wife and then turned the gun on himself Thursday evening, according to police.
The incident happened at about 7:30 p.m. the in the parking lot of the Deer Ridge Apartments on Loveland-Madeira Road, WLWT Eyewitness News 5's Jonathan Hawgood reported.
According to police, the man waited in the parking lot for his ex-wife to come home and shot her three times in the head before shooting himself. She was found sitting in her car, police said. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=410&ncid=410&e=2&u=/ibsys/20040416/lo_wlwt/2097981

[MrBenchley]

14. Video Camera Captures Teens Robbing Woman (OH)

"Police are looking for two teenagers seen on a street-mounted security camera robbing a local woman recently.
The robbery happened at about 10 p.m. March 17 at the corner of Charlton and Vine streets in Corryville, WLWT Eyewitness News 5, Jonathan Hawgood reported.
A security camera mounted on a pole captured the pair lurking behind a Dumpster while they waited for a victim, according to police. They considered a passing car at one point, but apparently too many people were inside, Hawgood reported.
Moments later, the pair saw a woman headed for her car. They took her purse at gunpoint and ran south on Vine Street, WLWT reported. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=410&ncid=410&e=10&u=/ibsys/20040415/lo_wlwt/2096493

[slackmaster]

15. Did the camera slap handcuffs on them or just shuffle them off to jail?

:freak:

[iverglas]

24. sometimes

The fallacy of equivocation is just good clean fun.


Friday afternoon, and some of us are still working ...

.

[iverglas]

30. no, surely not!

Not a "street-mounted security camera" in the US of A, surrepticiously observing criminals!

Maybe it came loose from its moorings somewhere in England, and wandered over the pond ...

Hey, slackmaster missed this one:

Police are looking for two teenagers seen
on a street-mounted security camera robbing
a local woman recently.

A street-mounted security camera robbing a local woman.

Was it armed?

As I often do as I read the local paper (which I have seldom done since it was bought by Conrad Black and got even worse), I lament the passing of copy editors from the earth.

.

[Superfly]

31. Well, it looks funny if you

strip "a street-mounted security camera robbing a local woman" out of context.

But, in it's original context, I think it works, marginally. I mean, do you see something on the camera or the tape/display? Mounted in the street, above the street, next to the street?

On second thought, you're right...what a cumbersome sentence.

[MrSandman]

38. But how often...

Do you get to see someone on a camera?;)

[MrBenchley]

16. One dead in robbery at grocery (IN)

"A 55-year-old manager of a Northeastside grocery was shot and killed this morning during a struggle with an apparent robber before the store opened.
Indianapolis Police Lt. Paul Ciesielski said the manager and the assistant manager were in the office area of the Safeway Foods store at 4540 N. Shadeland Avenue, getting the store ready to open, when the suspect suddenly appeared.
There was a struggle and the manager was shot at least three times, police said. The manager was taken to Wishard Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/138573-4955-092.html

[MrBenchley]

18. Eastside man killed in shooting (IN)

"A 42-year-old Eastside man died this morning after two men robbed him inside his home and then shot him several times, Indianapolis Police said.
The robbery occurred about 7:20 a.m. when a man came to the door of the duplex apartment in the 200 block of North Gray Street and asked to use the phone.
When the door was opened, another man followed him inside.
The men went directly to the center of the room where the victim, Freddrick H. Williams, was robbed of some cash and shot several times, wounding him fatally, Sgt. Stephen Staletovich said."

http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/138577-4350-102.html

[slackmaster]

23. Student's toy gun prompts lockdown (FL)

No one was injured when a 15-year-old student took a wooden rubber-band gun to his South Miami-Dade middle school Thursday, but the lockdown it caused brought panic in a community still stunned by a slaying at a nearby middle school.

In the hours before the boy was charged with possession of a weapon on school grounds and disruption of school functions, hundreds of parents outside Centennial Middle School knew only the barest of facts: Neighbors had called police about 9:30 a.m. after seeing someone wave around a rifle, stash it in his coat and walk into the school.

''From a distance, it can be confused with a rifle or sawed-off shotgun,'' district spokesman Mayco Villafaña said....

(snip for copyright compliance)

...The weapons charge against him is a felony, said Miami-Dade state attorney's spokesman Ed Griffith. Even though the toy looked nothing like a firearm up close, Villafaña said, it qualified as a weapon because it ``has a trigger mechanism and can fire a projectile.''

:eyes:

For full text please see http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/8443328.htm?1c

[MrBenchley]

26. Lead Levels High in Some Gunshot Victims

"NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Survivors of gunshot wounds that leave bullet fragments lodged in the body may face a little-recognized long-term risk--elevated lead levels.
Researchers found that among 365 gunshot victims with retained bullet fragments, 12 percent had blood lead levels at or above the threshold for "medical concern" three months after being shot.
This percentage declined over time, fluctuating between two and five percent over the next year and a half. Still, researchers say even these lower figures suggest that of the 1 to 2 million gunshot survivors in the U.S., tens of thousands could unknowingly have lead levels high enough to threaten their health.
Study co-author Dr. Stephen J. Rothenberg recommended that gunshot victims with retained bullets have their blood lead levels monitored over time. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040416/hl_nm/gunshot_lead_dc_1

[MrBenchley]

32. OSP shooting justified, jury rules

"Oregon State Police trooper Nick Neville was justified in shooting a man who threatened to kill him at Valley of the Rogue State Park on March 26, a grand jury determined Thursday.
A Jackson County grand jury deliberated five minutes after hearing roughly two and a half hours of testimony about a shoot-out at the park’s boat ramp that injured Neville and left his assailant, Jeremiah Paul Scanlon, 48, of Las Vegas, dead.
Chief Deputy District Attorney Beth Heckert released details of the hearing in a statement Thursday afternoon. Grand jury proceedings are closed to the public and media. Neville, who has a .38- caliber bullet lodged under his shoulder blade, had a doctor’s appointment Thursday and was preparing for a trip, so he wasn’t available for comment after testifying."

http://www.mailtribune.com/archive/2004/0416/local/stories/06local.htm

[MrBenchley]

33. Police say suspect pulled gun on 3 officers (IA)

"A man tried to aim a loaded revolver at three Davenport beat officers who were investigating him for a sexual assault downtown early Thursday morning, police said.
Danny L. Long, 46, of Stockton, Iowa, reached behind his back and pulled the .22-caliber gun from his waistband after an officer informed him that he would conduct a pat-down search for weapons, Davenport police said.
Cpl. Jason Willey immediately grabbed Long before he could point or fire the gun, police Capt. Dave Struckman said. Willey and Officer Andrew Harris took the gun after a struggle where Long continued to try to aim his weapon at the officers, he said."

http://www.qctimes.com/internal.php?story_id=1027012&t=Local+News&c=2,1027012

[MrBenchley]

36. Shot Fired At Piedmont Law Firm

"Greensboro police said a shot was fired Friday morning at an attorney's office at 110 Commerce Place.
Investigators said a man who was discussing his divorce fired one shot at an attorney, but did not hit anyone. Police said two other attorneys in the office were able to wrestle the man to the floor and hold him until police arrived. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040416/lo_wxii/2099115