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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 03:06 PM
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Mexico asks US to extradite weapons suspects
Edited on Fri Nov-18-11 03:08 PM by burf
MEXICO CITY – Mexico's attorney general says she has asked the United States to extradite six people suspected of providing guns to drug cartels.

Marisela Morales tells Congress that three people are being held in Texas and three in California.

She says two U.S. citizens were being held in Mexico on similar charges. She provided no details in Wednesday's statement and did not mention Operation Fast and Furious, in which U.S. officials followed suspected "straw" buyers of guns heading to Mexico instead of immediately arresting them.

http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20111116/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_us_guns


I wonder how many are DOJ types, and does one of them happen to be named Holder?

Edited to add link.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 05:23 PM
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1. Some other names come to mind as well:
Newell, Jones....

;)
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-11 10:44 PM
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2. K and R
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:27 AM
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3. recommend
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 08:51 PM
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4. This thread needs another bump. The silence is defining.
Edited on Sat Nov-19-11 09:18 PM by Hoopla Phil
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-11 11:08 PM
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5. If you ignore it,
maybe it'll just go away.

Somehow I don't think thats gonna happen.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:57 AM
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6.  Mexico has Napoleonic Law. You are guilty till you prove your innocence
And I don't believe that there is a system of bail.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:22 AM
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7. According to the news coming out of Mexico,
it would appear there is quite a bit of lawlessness there and if your are caught, the Golden Rule (If you got the gold, then the rules don't apply) is commonly used.

I haven't been there in over 25 years, and didn't leave anything there that's worth going back for.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:16 PM
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14. There's another variant on that "Golden Rule" as well
Namely that, "if you have the gold, the actual rules apply" as opposed to some cop's on-the-fly interpretation of them in an effort to shake you down. Either way, according to Transparency International, Mexican citizens paid an estimated 32 billion pesos (~$2.5 billion) in bribes in 2010 alone, and there are very few places where the likelihood of a traffic stop resulting in a bribe being paid is less than 50%.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:09 PM
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13. Eh? The Napoleonic Code has a presumption of innocence
The main difference between the Napoleonic Code and "Anglo-Saxon" system is that the Napoleonic system "inquisitorial"; that is, the court takes an active role in trying to figure out what actually happened (and may question witnesses, order searches, et al.), as opposed to acting as a neutral arbiter between prosecution and defense (the "adversarial" system). Another difference is that there is no binding precedent (stare decisis) under the Napoleonic Code; the judge's own interpretation of statutory law overrides that of earlier courts, though judges can and do refer to jurisprudence (case law) to inform their interpretation.
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burf Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:22 PM
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15. Thanks for the lesson.
It sounds one of the advantages of Napoleonic Code is there are fewer people the accused has to deal with in bribery payments!
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ObamaFTW2012 Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:27 AM
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8. Mexican Justice?
I don't think so. That place is so corrupt it makes Capitol Hill look like a convent. We'll deal with it here, thanks.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 01:37 PM
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9. The allegation is that US government employees engaged in
international arms smuggling that trafficked guns into Mexico. Guns that are now being used to kill Mexican citizens.

If the roles were reversed The US would be demanding extradition.

I'm wondering how long it will be before Mexico goes to the UN asking for sanctions and a hearing about alleged US violation of international arms dealing. It would appear that Mexico does have a legitimate claim.
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ObamaFTW2012 Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 02:32 PM
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10. I expect
that were the roles reversed, Mexico would tell us to bite it...assuming they didn't ask for a bribe first.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 08:50 PM
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11. We will swap them one for one for some cartel leaders. nt
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 02:08 PM
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12. The com pelling part of this for me is
will the US government continue to ignore this scandal, effectively allowing US citizens operating under its orders to suffer the consequences while those in charge cover their own butts or will the government provide the cooperation needed to get these people home again even if their own careers suffer for it?
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