Update on Lakewood lady's "arsenal"...it's been returned!

[Abin Sur]

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/09/14/cops-confiscate-lakewood-ladys-arsenal-motive-pending-updated

Update: Last month we brought you the story of Francesca Rice, an Iraq war veteran in Lakewood whose stockpile of licensed firearms was seized by cops. So Rice, whose service left her disabled, pursued justice the American way: By suing their ass.

Since Scene first reported the story, Rice’s arsenal has been restocked and her legal action tabled.

The incident started in September 2010, when Lakewood Police were asked to check on Rice by the VA hospital, where she’d been receiving treatment. Thirteen weapons — including a machine gun and sniper rifle — were taken when cops suspected Rice’s disability prevented her from owning them under Ohio law.
Last week, with no further evidence from the VA that Rice couldn’t handle a gun, the police returned her weapons.

“On the advice of my attorney,” says Rice, “I have safely and legally stored my collection elsewhere.”

By the way, as per a list provided by the Lakewood Municipal Court,

http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf

The "machine gun" turns out to be (just as suspected) a semi-automatic Thompson M1928 rifle. The "sniper rifle" is an SKS, of all things. While the court document describes it as a sniper rifle, this would be quite a surprise to Sergei Simonov. In all likelihood it simply has an inexpensive scope mounted it.

In any case...good news!

[TheWraith]

1. An SKS "sniper rifle"?

Next up: somebody calls a Kia minivan a "high performance racecar."

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. !

lol. I really did :rofl:

thanks for that. I needed it :) been a rough day.

[Hoyt]

4. It's the closest a lot of gunners can get to having a SNIPER rifle - better than not having a SNIPER

rifle in your cache.

[Union Scribe]

7. Lol. Yeah, except if they can buy, you know, ANY OTHER RIFLE.

You're not good at this.

[Hoyt]

12. I was posting don't make fun of the lady's sniper rifle, many gunners are glad to have a SNIPER

rifle. You never know when you might need to shoot someone at a hundred yards or further in SELF defense. Got to cover all the bases to be prepared -- need guns for shooting people fleeing from hurricane; shooting some guy in a car; at a distance using a so-called SNIPER rifle; assault, tactical and all such BS.




:sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. Hunting rifles are sniper rifles

[Euromutt]

88. The distinction depends entirely on the nature of your target

If you use a scoped .308 bolt-action rifle to shoot game, it's a hunting rifle; if you use the same type of weapon to punch holes in paper at several hundred meters, it's a target rifle; if you use it to shoot humans, it's a sniper rifle.

As I've remarked elsewhere in this thread, "sniping" essentially consists of shooting at humans from concealment, and damn near any type of firearm--indeed, any type of projectile weapon--can be employed in such a role. The exact nature of the (projectile) weapon, the ranges at which you're shooting, whether your targets are selected by certain criteria (e.g. enemy officers and heavy weapons operators, perhaps one specific individual) or you just shoot any target of opportunity who wanders into your fire sector, all these are secondary to shooting from concealment, and working alone or in a small (two- or three-man) team. Historically, the term "sniper" has been applied to a German soldier with an MP40 hiding in a tree on a street in Arnhem, Japanese soldiers firing LMGs on single-shot at comparatively long ranges, Carlos Hathcock using an M2HB with a telescopic sight to nail a lone VC at ~2,500 yds, and any drunk Chetnik with the Yugoslav equivalent of an SKS or AK (resp. the M59 and the M70) shooting through a loophole cut in the wall of some apartment block in Grbavica, across the Miljacka river into downtown Sarajevo at random people crossing the street or even at tram cars.

[PavePusher]

91. I've been doing it so wrong for so long...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe

[Abin Sur]

92. So if you hunted a snipe with a rifle

Would it be by definition a sniper rifle?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

95. I don't know...

...but it would definitely by a sniping rifle. ;)

[GreenStormCloud]

36. 100 yards is a close range shot for a rifle.

When I was in the Army in basic training we had only iron sights (no scopes) and at 100 meters the target was the size of a human head. After a couple of days shooting at various ranges I never again missed at 100 meters.

The primary use for a rifle with a scope is hunting and target shooting. Self-defense at beyond 10 meters is extremely rare.

[RSillsbee]

67. Who needs a "sniper rifle" to hit people 100 yards away?

I can do that w/ an M1911

[SteveM]

79. That's DEER rifle to you , sir...

Mine can get 1" groups, and I bought it used for $310 w/scope. Guess how I used it?

[AtheistCrusader]

10. It's an inexpensive auto-loading equivalent of the .30-30 lever gun.

There's nothing unusual or particularly dangerous about it. It's an excellent deer gun.

[X_Digger]

13. Your granddad's 308 is closer to a 'sniper' rifle than an SKS.

Matter of fact, snipers in Vietnam used the same winchester model 70 with scope that your granddad would have used to take deer.

[krispos42]

14. I have a better sniper rifle in my closet

Namely, a World War Two Spanish Mauser in 7x57mm, sporterized, with a 4x scope on it.


My former brother-in-law had an even better one, a Savage Model 110 in .270 Winchester with a 3-9x40mm scope. Just like half the deer hunters in South Dakota.

[Name removed]

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[SteveM]

80. The "new" Savage 111 is guaranteed 3/4 groups out-of-box! Beanfield rifle.

[Iktomiwicasa]

97. Savage rifles...

... are an excellent rifle for the money. Their level of finish is not high end, but functionally they are as accurate and dependable as any production rifle made. I have a Scout in 7mm-08 that is probably the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. Consistent 1/2 MOA with a couple types of factory ammo, one ragged hole at 100 yards with one of my handloads.

[TheWraith]

23. Saying that only shows that you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.

An SKS is about as much a "sniper rifle" as a kitchen knife is a "broadsword."

By the way, you do know that people can and do buy ACTUAL sniper rifles, right? The same qualities that make a good sniper rifle, i.e. high power and extreme accuracy, are what are prized in competition guns, or even hunting rifles.

[mistertrickster]

26. Yup, I agree. The SKS is a short to medium range rifle.

A so-called assault weapon. It's not known for power or accuracy compared to say an 8 mm Mauser or a 30-06 M1 Garand, but on full auto, it has a much better rate of fire.

Practically any standard service rifle from WW2 you can mention would be a better sniper rifle.

Oswald used the sketchy Italian Carcano to assassinate JFK, and as bad as it was, it was a better choice than an SKS, an AK, or an AR 15.

[oneshooter]

32. "but on full auto, it has a much better rate of fire." There is no such thing as a full auto SKS.

They were designed and built as a semi auto only.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[mistertrickster]

57. Okay, right. I was thinking of the AK. You're definitely right. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

37. Oswald's rifle was tested by the FBI and was accurate to less than an MOA. N/T

[mistertrickster]

58. Amazing . . . I always thought Carcano's were cheap and shoddily made.

Maybe they're better than I thought.

[Euromutt]

69. Most of the problems with the Carcano stemmed primarily from logistics

One major problem with the Carcano Modello 1891 was that state arsenals had inconsistent standards of ammunition production, while at the same time tending to allow rounds from different lots to be loaded into one clip. As a result, it was practically impossible for any Italian soldier to sight in his rifle correctly, because ammunition performance could vary wildly from one round to the next.

Another issue was that the Italian army tried to switch from 6.5x52mm to 7.35x51mm in 1938, after experiences in the campaigns in Libya and Abyssinia led the Italian war ministry to decide the 6.5mm round's performance was inadequate (which had somehow escaped them during Italy's two and half years of involvement in World War I :eyes: ), only to find when World War II broke out that they couldn't produce enough weapons and ammunition in the new caliber to keep up. Accordingly, in 1940, the Italian armed forces reverted to the 6.5mm round (of which they had large stocks), but retained the designations for the modified models introduced in 1938 (Modello 91/38) even though they were now chambered for a different round. From that point onwards, as an Italian soldier, it was possible to find yourself issued an M91/38 chambered in 7.35mm but be issued 6.5mm ammunition.

For someone like Oswald these were not practical considerations because he wasn't forced to rely on the Italian army's ordnance corps to supply him with ammunition, and thus did not run the risk of getting ammunition with inconsistent performance, or simply in the wrong caliber.

[mistertrickster]

74. Interesting and very informative. Thank you, EuroM. nt.

[MicaelS]

100. Massad Ayoob, one of the best firearms writers..

Theorized that Oswald didn't use the POS optical sight the Carcano came with, and instead relied on the gun's iron sights. Which is how he had been trained in the Marine Corps.

I have lived in Texas all my life, and in Ft Worth for 22 years. Before I moved to Ft Worth, I was a big believe in a conspiracy. Not any more. Every time I go to Dealey Plaza, I am struck by just how SMALL the place is. On TV and in the movies, it looks huge, which it is not. Dealey Plaza is about 400ft long, and 600 ft wide. So 500ft on the diagonal. From the corner where the Book Depository (now called the 6TH Floor Museum) stands, to the Grassy Knoll is only about 300 ft. Another 200 ft to the Triple Underpass.

So, assuming Oswald was the lone assassin, and even accounting for the diagonal length of the shots, Oswald hit JFK in the back with the first shot at about 100ft (not yards). The distance of the fatal shot was not much over 300ft, which distance Oswald had been trained to shoot at in the Corps using an M1 Garand with iron sights.

[Euromutt]

52. It's not even a so-called "assault weapon" without modification

It has a non-detachable magazine and the furniture's a regular wooden non-pistol grip stock. You can readily "bubbafy" it, of course, if you drop some cash on Tapco aftermarket parts, but so far as I can make out, there are no aftermarket detachable magazines made for the SKS that are really reliable, and you're going to be clearing Failures to Feed every few rounds.

[mistertrickster]

59. This also is true . . . as Wiki says,

"Contrary to popular belief, the SKS is a carbine and not a modern assault rifle, because it does not meet all the criteria for such a weapon."

My bro-in-law has one of these (Chinese made), and I've fired it a few times, but I guess I didn't know as much about them as I thought I did.

Oops. Thanks for the correction.

[Euromutt]

68. Don't mention it

I own a Yugoslav M59/66 myself, which the State of California in its infinite wisdom has classed as a "destructive device" because of the rifle grenade spigot, even though the ATF does not consider such attachments to be "destructive devices" per the National Firearms Act of 1934. Fortunately for me, I don't live in California.

[AtheistCrusader]

63. Not even really an assault weapon, with the fixed ten round mag.

Granted, it can be converted, with some effort, to accept detachable mags.

Edit: Holy shit, I was late to the party.

[mistertrickster]

75. You are correct, sir. Won't make that mistake again, heh. nt

[Hoyt]

42. Yea, but if you are low on funds, you buy a low quality sniper rifle, a tactical rifle, an "assault"

le, a few handguns to tuck down your pants, etc. Gunners have to acquire one of each and even guns to shoot people fleeing a disaster. Otherwise, you can't wear your "gun culture" badge with pride.

[Iktomiwicasa]

49. If you are going...

...to argue against a position, it is important to actually ...*know* something about the subject. Just sayin'.

[oneshooter]

51. Not with him, he just squats and grunts and a answer appears!! Just like magic! n/t

[rl6214]

55. Why are you always so worried about what's in other peoples pants?

[SteveM]

81. Look to Oneshooter's #51 for a possible answer. nt

[PavePusher]

71. Look moron, being publicly proud of your ignorance is not a desireable trait....

in a progressive Democrat.

Just thought you should know...

[Hoyt]

82. I know Pave, guns in public are such a progressive cause. I see I'm off "ignore" again. Ha.

[PavePusher]

86. Some problems can not be ignored, they must be confronted.

Pointing out your willful ignorance, arrogance, lies and fear-mongering are more important than my mere inner calmness.

[tortoise1956]

83. Hoyt, haven't you said you're familiar with weapons?

Because you make some pretty idiotic-sounding comments. What part of "An SKS is not a sniper rifle" do you not understand?

Frankly, my trusty .30-.30 is closer to being a sniper rifle than an SKS. (At least it would be if my ex-wife hadn't taken it with her)

[RSillsbee]

84. I think at one point he mentioned being trained

to assemble and dissassemble an M1911 underwater. But in another place claimed no military experience

[Hoyt]

77. Is an M-21 a "sniper" rifle? So, an SKS may be a crappy one -- but people buy them because

they make them feel like they own a "tactical sniper" rifle, for whatever friggin reason they want to have one of those in their cache.

[rl6214]

85. An sks is an underpowered .30 ca barley suitable for deer

So learn something before you say it could be a "sniper" rigle in any form.

[Euromutt]

89. The difference lies to large extent in the ammunition

The M21 is chambered for 7.62x51mm, which is essentially a militarized version of the .308 Winchester hunting round. The 7.62x51mm is to the .308 Win more or less as the 5.56x45mm is to the .223 Remington, in that the (metric designation) military cartridges are slightly higher pressure versions of the original (Imperial designation) hunting cartridges, and you can safely fire the hunting rounds from a weapon chambered for the equivalent military round, but not always vice-versa.

By contrast, the 7.62x39mm Russian, for which the SKS is chambered, was conceived from the start to be an intermediate-powered infantry round; it was intended to be as accurate and powerful as its predecessor, the 7.62x54mmR ("R" for either "Russian" or "rimmed"), at the ranges at which the average Soviet conscript was likely to actually engage an enemy, i.e. no more than 300 meters. But at the same time, the Sovs retained the 7.62x54mm for their longer-range infantry weapons, i.e. their sniper/dedicated marksman rifles (sniper versions of the M1891/30 and later the Dragunov) and their MMGs/GPMGs (the SG43 and PK/PKM).

Very simply, the SKS is barely comparable to an M1 Garand or M14; it's certainly not comparable to an M21. I mean, except if your comparison is along the lines of "this one will kill an elk at 800 yards, whereas this one will kill a whitetail at 100 yards if you know how to use it."

[ileus]

94. Bought my first one becsue they were 79 bucks, my second was given to me.

at the time I bought my first SKS you could buy 20 rounds for 2 bucks...that means you could go out shoot all day long for 30-40 bucks. AK's and AR's were out of a college kids range of "affordable" plinkers.

[Iktomiwicasa]

98. How would you know...

..what someone *feels* about a particular firearm?

[beevul]

24. The ignorance is strong with this one.

You know those .308 and 30.06 scoped deer rifles hoyt?


The ones that exist by the tens of millions in America?


Yeah, those are SNIPER rifles.

[Hoyt]

43. I guess so if you are inclined to think/dream about shooting people at long range.

[oneshooter]

47. Hey Holt, YOU are the only one talking about that. n/t

[ileus]

96. what about deer, coyotes, and groundhogs?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

29. More incorrect nonsense from you. Please learn about the technology is your

are going to make the kind of comments you do.

[Hoyt]

44. Quit worrying about gun technology decades ago because I don't fantasize about shooting people.

I don't think "technology" has much to do with the politics of guns in our society, especially when talking about weapons made since WWII.

[oneshooter]

48. Which weapons are those? n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

53. When you make claims that are absurd technically, the rest of what you say goes down as bad fiction

[oneshooter]

31. Hoyt, to you any longarm with a red dot sight on it IS a "sniper rifle"

Mainly because you have no idea what it is. And are unable, or unwilling, to learn.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[ileus]

35. You can go to WM and buy a 308 bolt action cheaper than a SKS.

And have a reliable Hi-powered 600m firearm.

[oneshooter]

38. Is this, in your educated opinion, a "sniper rifle".

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/110BA

[benEzra]

39. Yeah, just like this Formula 1 race car available at your local used car lot:

Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham Formula 1 Race Car :eyes:



An SKS is a relatively low-powered, short-range rifle, not a sniper rifle. I think the correct scaremonger term you're supposed to use for the SKS is "assault weapon" or somesuch; get your cue cards straight.

1952 Tula SKS Ultra Leet Scawwy Sniper Rifle :eyes:

It's the closest a lot of gunners can get to having a SNIPER rifle

Your aspersion is kind of silly, since anyone with a clean record and some cash can buy an actual "sniper rifle," e.g. a high-powered bolt-action set up for precision shooting, ranging from a $500 Remington M700 .30-06 to a $5000+ Accuracy International .338 Lapua Magnum.


Here's a basic Remington Model 700 deer rifle, with a bipod attached to the forward sling swivel:




The U.S. military issues the Model 700 as as the M24 and M40 Sniper Weapons Systems:




Here's a commercial Winchester Model 70 deer rifle, based on the German Mauser infantry rifle. A Model 70 was the primary issue weapon of legendary USMC sniper Carlos Hathcock:




Sako TRG chassis rifle, made in Finland and available even in gun-control utopias like Australia and AFAIK the UK:



Australian plinking at 1000 yards with a TRG-42


And here's a top-of-the-line Accuracy International chassis rifle, made in the UK, yours for only $5,844.99:



http://www.impactguns.com/accuracy-international-awsm-arctic-warfare-super-magnum-338-lapua-awsm338.aspx

[PavePusher]

70. My god you're a fucking dirt bag. n/t

[Iktomiwicasa]

76. Hoyt...

...that was possibly one of the dumbest statements ever made on this forum.

[Hoyt]

93. Might be dumbest statement, but I don't have to strap a gun or two on to go out. That's "dumber."

[SteveM]

78. Uh, every heard of a Remington Model 700 w/scope? nt

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Yeah man, you never know when you might have to piss off an elephant at 300 yards.

[Hoyt]

3. Glad lady got her guns back, and decided to store them elsewhere -- smart and considerate.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Now that the cops have made an inventory of her firearms public knowledge

she pretty much has to, or they will be stolen. Hope she's not incurring any additional cost to store them, because of the stupid assed cops.

[Hoyt]

8. "Stupid arsed" gunner should have controlled her cache.

[AtheistCrusader]

9. How, by shooting at the cops?

You'd have liked that, wouldn't you?

[X_Digger]

15. She did.. why do you assert otherwise?

Or was that just asinine knee-jerk snark because you're having difficulty coming up with something actually on topic?

[krispos42]

17. "It's better to be silent and though a fool, then post on the internet and remove all doubt".

You're factually deficient.

[Hoyt]

20. So, how many guns do you need to carry to feel secure walking down the street?

[krispos42]

21. I use a one-watt LED bulb in the gooseneck lamp on my desk

And yes, this has as much relevance to the topic at hand as your question.

:eyes:

[PavePusher]

72. And it's certainly brighter....

In hoyt-world, one watt is "high-powered".

[mistertrickster]

27. I don't carry any guns on the street. If you just want to feel "secure"

a 12 gauge in the (locked) closet is probably the best overall way to go.

In fact, I personally would feel LESS secure carrying a gun because I'd constantly have to keep track of it . . . but I have nothing against those who want to conceal - carry.

I do collect historical guns that interest me.

[krispos42]

16. Smart and considerate?

If this was police harassment that resulted in, say, a gay couple deciding to move to "elsewhere", you'd likely be up in arms.

If it's a "smart" move to avoid unconstitutional police harassment... then the problem isn't the guns, is the damn cops and the people (like you) that cheer them on.

[Hoyt]

19. Yea, but I can't criticize police in this case -- although I think they should treat a lady better.

[krispos42]

22. OF COURSE YOU CAN'T

That, exactly, is your problem.

[oneshooter]

33. Would you agree to the Police illegally entering your home, without a warrant

and gathering up your firearms. Taking them away and holding them until you got a court order to release them.
All this without a warrant, probable cause, or a court order.

Yea man, YOU ROCK!!!! :yourock:

:sarcasm:

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoyt]

41. Let's remember the case under discussion started when the VA hospital treating this lady became

concerned about her. Too bad the police didn't do the same thing with Loughner and the Virgina Tech shooters, among others.

[X_Digger]

45. So if they have good intentions, fuck due process and the law, eh?

My, how very authoritarian of you.

[Euromutt]

61. And I doubt many of us here would object, had due process been observed

That is, if the cops had bothered to present their case to a judge and obtained a warrant or similar court order authorizing them to search Cho's, Loughner's or Ms Rice's residence for lethal weapons and seize any found. What rankles in this case is that the cops first illegally searched Ms Rice's apartment and seized her firearms, and then insisted the guns couldn't be returned without a court order, the very thing they hadn't bothered to obtain before they burglarized her place and stole her stuff (which is what the absence of a court order made their actions).

[oneshooter]

65. That wasn't the question, Hoyt. Please answer the question asked. n/t

[gravity556]

46. Why does that not surprise me?

After all, you've no problem suspending the 2nd amendment, so why should you give a flying fuck when the cops violate the 4th and 5th amendment rights of an innocent gun owner? Any other rights you think others should do without while you're wiping your ass with the Bill of Rights?

[AtheistCrusader]

5. Not a machine gun.

Fucking stupid assed reporters. Good grief.

It's a semi-auto only Thompson. It's clearly identified in the court documents as such. No civilian can possess a fully automatic weapon in this state, lawfully. Period.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

40. YES, a citizen CAN possess a fully automatic weapon in this state.

In ohio... any civilian that can own a firearms can own automatic firearms. It just requires more paperwork than a regular firearm. It was perfectly plausible that the firearms the media stated might actually have been legally owned, in this case.

Here's a 9mm UZI (full auto) for sale in Ohio:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=19393&query=retrieval

Here's a REAL full auto AK-47 for sale in Ohio:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=19390&query=retrieval

Here's a recently sold M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun sold in Ohio:
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=19120&query=retrieval

Here's a 9mm Mac-10 for sale in ohio (good price too, I might add):
http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=19286&query=retrieval

[Euromutt]

50. There's a Lakewood in Washington state as well

And since the article doesn't identify the state in question, AtheistCrusader presumably thought it was Lakewood, WA, not Lakewood, OH. He's correct that private citizens can't own automatic weapons in Washington state.

ETA: Moreover, Lakewood, WA is right next to the JBLM (Joint Base Lewis McChord, formerly Fort Lewis and McChord AFB) so there are a large number of current and former military personnel living in that city. It was an easy mistake to make.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Sorry, thought this was the Lakewood, Wa I used to live in, down by Tacoma/Fort Lewis.

Yet another point to grumble about the journalist for.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

73. My, mistake... sorry. I live in NE ohio (near Lakewood) and assumed poorly. n/t

[TPaine7]

87. "Stupid" may well be the wrong charge.

Remember, a reporter's real job is to sell ad space/time, whether in newspapers, on webpages or on TV. "Machinegun" sells better than "semi-automatic rifle."

[SteveM]

90. It's not their "stupidity," it's their intent. "All AK-47 All TheTime"...

...except when it's a Thompson (for da ol' school types).

[era veteran]

25. They are all sniper rifles if the right person is shooting.

Never like optics in shooting though except on tank cannons.

[mistertrickster]

28. Yup . . . there's that. I get a chuckle when the media calls a gun a HIGH POWERED rifle

Except for a .17 or a .22, they're ALL high powered rifles.

High power is kinda the whole idea behind a rifle.

[Euromutt]

54. True in more ways than one

After all, sniping essentially consists of shooting from concealment; range and choice of targets are incidental. Thus, though a scoped rifle is the optimal tool for the job, in principle, you can snipe with any kind of firearm: German soldiers hiding in trees with sub-machine guns have been described as "snipers."

[ileus]

34. I need to get a scope for my SKS....never realized it was a sniper rifle. morans!

[Euromutt]

56. What an extraordinarily badly written article

Seems to me Mr. Swenson could use some remedial education in journalistic objectivity and integrity; one does not provide "balance" to a piece by applying unwarranted prejudicial language to both sides of an issue.

Let's go over the prejudicial language applied to Ms Rice:

• "stockpile"
• "arsenal"
• "a sniper rifle"
• "a Thompson sub-machine gun, just in case the pizza guy got fresh"
• "cache"
• "non-gun owners, beware of neighbors who are particularly well prepared for the zombie apocalypse"

Swenson does just about everything to imply Rice is a homicidal maniac ready to go off and lay waste to the neighborhood at the slightest pretext, without having the balls to actually say so explicitly; and the reason he's too gutless to say so out loud is because he knows he has no reason to make such a claim.

[Iktomiwicasa]

64. Returned weapons or no...

...Ms. Rice should take any and all legal action against the police and her asshole landlord.

[oneshooter]

66. That goes without saying!! n/t

[DissedByBush]

60. Good news is when the police involved go to jail

They violated her rights and their punishment was to -- stop violating her rights?

This is no deterrence to this happening again.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

99. Good. It was wrong of those Rude Toters to take that lady's guns in the first place. n/t