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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:15 PM
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Amer Sociological Assoc - CCW and empowerment for Tx women
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 04:21 PM by Xela
Empowerment, Self-Defense Motivating Factors for Texas Women to Hold Concealed Handgun Licenses

"Texas women who hold concealed handgun licenses (CHLs) are motivated to do so by feelings of empowerment and a need for self-defense, according to new research to be presented at the 106th Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association."

http://www.asanet.org/press/factors_for_texas_women_to_hold_concealed_handgun_licenses.cfm

Related News Article:
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2011/08/26/study-shows-women-use-handguns-defense-self-empowerment

Xela
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:57 PM
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2. I have noticed that the women I have introduced to shooting ...
did indeed feel "empowered".

Initially they all had some fear of firing a handgun for the first time. I would start them out with a fairly heavy .22 cal Ruger target pistol with one round in the magazine.




Once they were familiar with handling and shooting the Ruger, I would introduce them to another fairly heavy target revolver such as a S&W Model 686 loaded with light .38 special target loads.


S&W Model 686

Usually that would be what they shot for the first couple of range visits. They often went home proudly carrying their target to show their friends.

Eventually if they were interested, I would introduce them to more powerful rounds such as .357 mag, .40, .45 auto and even .44 magnum. Several seemed to love shooting the more powerful rounds and felt a real sense of accomplishment if they were able to fire a fairly tight group on their target.

Far too many boy "friends" take their girlfriends shooting and being total assholes the first handgun they give her is a .357 magnum or a .44 magnum. This is a very poor way to introduce any newbie to the sport, male or female.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:05 PM
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4. nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of the thread
Did you want to read the article linked to and maybe comment on it?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:47 PM
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23. Of course it does ...
the article mentions how learning to shoot and carrying concealed weapons empowers women and I mentioned my own experience with teaching women how to shoot a handgun and how they felt empowered when they learned that they could effective handle a firearm.

An excerpt from the article:


LAS VEGAS, August 20, 2011 — Texas women who hold concealed handgun licenses (CHLs) are motivated to do so by feelings of empowerment and a need for self-defense, according to new research to be presented at the 106th Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association.

“A mixture of motivations made the women feel empowered—the thrill of being good shooters, self-defense, and being different from ‘other kinds of women’—and propelled them to want a license,” said Angela Stroud, a graduate student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin.emphasis added
http://www.asanet.org/press/factors_for_texas_women_to_hold_concealed_handgun_licenses.cfm


I discussed the thrill and the pride that the women experienced after I had introduced them to the sport. I did neglect to mention that at least two of the women I took to the range got concealed carry permits and carried their handguns. One was a nurse who worked in a hospital in a fairly dangerous area of the city and had some fear as one or two nurses had been mugged as they walked to their cars in the previous year. The other lady had just separated from her husband and had some fear of his attacking her.

The nurse carried a S&W Model 64 .38 caliber special in her large purse and as she walked to her car, she had her hand on the revolver. Fortunately she was never attacked to my knowledge. The other lady carried a really nice nickle .38 S&W Chief's Special. Once again, I believe that she never had cause to use it. Both ladies bought these firearms used at a very good price.

However both women were empowered by learning how to shoot and being able to legally carry a firearm. They also were far less fearful of being attacked. Of course, I discussed situational awareness with them as the best idea to avoid ever being attack by being alert to your surroundings.



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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:09 PM
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26. do read the rest of the article
and ask yourself whether you are really doing these women any favours ...
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:46 PM
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28. It's my opinion that I did ...
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 06:47 PM by spin
and I believe they would tell you that they enjoyed and appreciated their experience.

I know a number of women who carry handguns in their vehicles for self defense and a few that have carry permits. Many of my daughter's friends who do carry loaded handguns in their cars have expressed interest in getting a carry permit after they realized that she has one. Of course in the area I currently live, many women enjoy hunting deer. I remember an older lady who was in a hardware store bragging about how she shot her first deer of the season using a black powder rifle. One of my daughter's friends borrowed a bow from my daughter for archery season.

I suspect that you might find this somewhat disgusting as you did when I mentioned a young girl bragging about the first deer she had bagged. However hunting is very popular in the area of the state where I live and venison and wild hog taste wonderful if prepared correctly. In fact I prefer both over the taste of store bought meat and the wild game meat contains far fewer chemicals.

It's gradually becoming far more socially acceptable for women to get concealed weapons permits here in Florida and in many other states.

These graphs show the percentage of males and females who have valid concealed weapons permits in Florida. 164,559 women have carry licenses from Florida.


Concealed Weapon / Firearm License Holder Profile
As of August 31, 2011





http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_holders.html


You have your opinions and I have mine. I could point out that I probably know far more people, male and female, who have carry permits than you do since you live in Canada. I also know far more people who enjoy shooting handguns and use them for self defense but do not have carry permits. Fortunately, I live in the United States in a basically firearm friendly state rather than in Canada with all its restrictions.

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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:59 PM
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31. I as well
I often have more students in a single class than were in the study. At this point it may be nearing 2 orders of magnitude more students than study participants (that is 100X for you legal types). I have seen all sorts of students though the focus as of late has been is LGBTs and women. Students leave the class with options and the knowledge that they can properly and safely use firearms. Not everyone goes out and buys a gun, but many do. A few decide that it is just too much for them. An equally valid choice. All of them have a more solid view of themselves and IMNSHO a stronger sense of empowerment.

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 12:47 PM
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50. "ask yourself whether you are really doing these women any favours ..."
spin's students are undoubtedly capable of agency, and are free to arm themselves or not as they see fit.
Undoubtedly, some will choose not to and that's perfectly fine by me. Freedom of choice includes the freedom to make
a choice that others would not make.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:59 PM
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32. Its been restored...when it was first taken down the OP was too
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 07:36 PM
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34. Similar experience
To what I've seen in my case.

Good job, BTW.

Xela
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 04:59 PM
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3. so exactly what are we supposed to learn from this?
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 05:01 PM by iverglas
“A mixture of motivations made the women feel empowered—the thrill of being good shooters, self-defense, and being different from ‘other kinds of women’—and propelled them to want a license,” said Angela Stroud, a graduate student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin.


Ah yes, "being different from 'other kinds of women'," that's always a good reason for a woman to do something.

We wouldn't want anybody thinking she was une femme comme les autres. It wouldn't do not to be special. Men want special ladies, after all.

So, did we read a little farther?

For some women—including those who began carrying guns after being victims of a crime—obtaining a CHL leads to an increased fear of crime and sense of vulnerability when unarmed. This may be a result of the CHL licensing process, in which instructors teach their students to be constantly aware of potential threats. According to Stroud, women immersed in CHL culture begin to see carrying a gun as the only way to feel safe. This is a significant drawback to guns as a form of self-defense.

“Some of these women locate their strength and empowerment in their firearm,” Stroud said. “When they are unarmed, this has the consequence of increasing their feelings of vulnerability. It is as though their sense of empowerment resides in their gun, not in themselves, limiting the extent to which CHL use ultimately empowers those women who use this form of self-defense.”


Pretty much what I've said around here more than once.

Buying/carrying a firearm does help women to deal with the fear that a victim of violence or trauma often continues to experience. In fact, it quite obviously interferes in the process of restoring the feeling of security that needs to be restored.

See what the sociologist did there?

She reported what the women she studied reported to her.

And then she studied and reported on the reality.

Which pretty much does not help the gun militant agenda at all.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:08 PM
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5. also entertaining
The author of the study is "Angela Stroud, a graduate student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin".

Uh oh. A student.

Kind of like the Harvard law student whose study of "castle doctrine" laws, which I posted and discussed here, was dismissed so scornfully by so many hereabouts ...

A student. Tsk tsk, Xela.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:15 PM
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:09 PM
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6. and snork
"Stroud interviewed 15 Texas women who hold CHLs to discover their motivations for becoming licensed."

Wowie zowie! An enormous sample.

Such a shame that our Xela won't be having anything to say about any of this ...
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:14 PM
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7. Paxton Quigley has noticed her
I wonder whether that could be where Xela did.

http://www.paxtonquigley.com/

You know ... Paxton Quigley, that self-proclaimed "liberal Democrat" whose liberal/Democratic credentials have yet to be found ...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:21 PM
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12. Congratulations, you found an unsavory association.
We'll get to it directly we get through discussing Dick Cheney's support of same-sex marriage....
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:28 PM
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14. try to follow along
This thread was started by Xela. I have tried for nearly 6 years to get Xela to substantiate the assertion that Paxton Quigley is a "liberal Democrat", to the sound of deafening silence in reply. (You want to try?)

I don't think it's coincidental that this report appeared in Quigley's blog.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:31 PM
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18. Naah, Quigley seems a libertarian to me- but we were discussing Stroud's paper, were we not?
Which none of us has seen yet-or at least has provided a link to.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:36 PM
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20. ask Xela
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:03 PM
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40. So you admit to harassing someone for six years
and carrying over that conflict into however-many threads. And you're...proud about that?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:22 AM
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60. so you admit
to having no regard for the truth ... and you are evidently very proud of that.

And I don't stick disinguous demagogue's punctuation on my statements.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:18 PM
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43. Paxton Quigley in her own words
"In the wake of the assassination of Robert Kennedy in 1968, I campaigned vociferously for handgun controls. In was on Senator Kennedy's presidential campaign staff in Washington, D.C., and along with other staff members and astronaut John Glenn founded the first anti-gun political-action committee--the National Committee for Handgun Control--which contributed significantly to the first federal law policy on handguns, known as the Handgun Control Act of 1968."

--Armed And Female, in the Preface
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:32 AM
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44. and your point is?
She was once a liberal Democrat and no longer is?

Yes, that must be it. It might even be a fact.

Will everybody try to remember I didn't just fall off a turnip truck please?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x115229

iverglas
Fri Nov-04-05 11:33 AM
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23. wayull

I find that claim, re Kennedy and Handgun Control, in a letter to the editor written by one of my own homegrown right-wing anti-firearms <control> crowd:

http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/Archives/Digests/v03n100-199/v03n153.txt

And here, hahaha:

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/comments/myths_about_gun_control

and here:

http://www.packing.org/oldnews/article/?article=5633

Not doing too well so far on that "credible source" business.

But I guess they're all just quoting Quigley herself, as you seem to be doing.

"Because she would have to have been young at the time, she would almost certainly have been a minor staff member."

Um hum. Well, I was once on the executive of the Young Liberals on my campus. I hope nobody tries to portray me as a one-time Liberal, since I wasn't. Let alone present-day Liberal, which I most certainly am not.

And I'm afraid that I just don't buy a decades-old line on a résumé reporting a grunt job that every upwardly mobile youngster with a BA would have been after, regardless of the actual content of the job, as evidence that someone IS a "liberal Democrat", or anything else at all, all these decades later.

If she IS a "liberal Democrat", I'm still wanting to see some evidence. ...


Anybody want to ask John Glenn whether he remembers her?

:rofl:


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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:33 PM
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55. She was once a liberal Democrat, and hasn't said much about politics in recent years
Paxton Quigley, Mas Ayoob, and Gila Hayes are three from whom I've never heard any hateful, anti-liberal rhetoric.

I've met all three, once went to dinner with Gila and other students and instructors, and I honestly don't know where any of them comes down on politics.

However, you seem to know different in the case of Paxton Quigley.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:37 PM
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56. "you seem to know different in the case of Paxton Quigley"
Yeah. She's a gun militant masquerading as something else.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 12:43 AM
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58. Ah, the "because I said so" argument. Very convincing--Not.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 07:20 AM
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59. Ah, the "evidence-based" argument
So foreign to this place, sadly.

Anybody got any evidence of the actual assertion in this case:

"Paxton Quigley is a liberal Democrat"

?

I've been waiting sooooo long.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:19 PM
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9. more on the author
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/the-campus-carry-movement-stutter-steps-across-america/237915/

Angela Stroud, a PhD candidate at the University of Texas, has spent the last two years researching the social meanings of concealed handgun licensing. She's conducted over 40 interviews and even took the handgun license test herself so she'd be more informed. She told me there are those opposed to guns who consider 'what's best for society', and those who are pro-second amendment for whom the 'greater good' does not form part of their argument. "There is a major privileging of the individual," she said. "And it's a powerful experience to become enmeshed in this worldview. There's a fear. Instead of saying that incidents like Virginia Tech rarely happen, they say that even a one-in-a-million chance of being murdered is a frightening thing. They see two major threats -- one is a criminal who wants to kill you; the other is a government that wants to control you."


I don't thiiiink she is in the gun militant camp.

She's studied 'em, and she knows what they are. ;)

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:20 PM
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10. The Daily "Toxin" report seems more nuanced than that of the ASA:
ASA:

"According to Stroud, women immersed in CHL culture begin to see carrying a gun as the only way to feel safe. This is a significant drawback to guns as a form of self-defense.

'Some of these women locate their strength and empowerment in their firearm,' Stroud said. 'When they are unarmed, this has the consequence of increasing their feelings of vulnerability. It is as though their sense of empowerment resides in their gun, not in themselves, limiting the extent to which CHL use ultimately empowers those women who use this form of self-defense.'

Daily Texan:

"Starr-Renee Corbin, a manager for the Applied Research Laboratories who works with the Center for Women’s and Gender studies, said she carries her concealed handgun for self-defense, but does not carry it all the time.

'I leave the gun at home on a day-to-day basis and only bring it with me if I’m going on long drives through the state or feel there is an immediate threat,' Corbin said. 'I wouldn’t agree that it gives you a sense of empowerment in every situation. It’s just something to have around just in case.'"

___________
Perhaps Stroud will explain what "immersion in CHL culture" is, and explain the consequences of such in the study. Further, "It is as though their sense of empowerment resides in their gun, not in themselves." Hopefully, the one doesn't exclude the other, but rather serves as an enhancement, but perhaps that will be made clear. Corbin's experience seems to be more to the point. As with learning any new and significant skill, confidence, IMO, is enhanced and not left at the door of an inanimate object. It seems reasonable that confidence continues even, as with Corbin, when the gun is left at the door.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:15 PM
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27. that's not nuance
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 06:22 PM by iverglas
That's some gunhead presenting an anecdote, and an individual's unexamined statements, as "evidence" of something that is not even remotely clear, presumably intended to rebut the findings of the rigorous academic analysis. And it doesn't even seem to do that. What was your point? That not everyone in any category is exactly the same? Gosh.


... Speaking of qualifications, this is the individual in question:

https://www.utexas.edu/research/eureka/faculty/view?faculty_id=10

She is employed here:

http://wwwext.arlut.utexas.edu/

APPLIED RESEARCH LABORATORIES, THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN (ARL:UT) is a research unit that has been associated with the university since 1946. Throughout its history, ARL:UT has been engaged in a sponsored research program dedicated to improving our national security through applications of acoustics, electromagnetics, and information sciences. As an organized research unit reporting to the Vice President for Research, ARL:UT is engaged in the three traditional roles of a major university: research, teaching, and public service.


and I absolutely fail to see what that has to do with this bit on her profile:

Research Description
Social Policy regarding women and families.
Religious studies regarding Women and Classical Antiquity.

Perhaps she takes extension courses.

Ah yes ...

http://www.utexas.edu/lbj/archive/news/spring2007/ut_veterans.php

Starr-Renee Corbin

For Starr-Renee Corbin, serving in Iraq became more than just a duty.

"For myself, my husband and my son, Iraq has become a milestone defining our lives as before Iraq and after Iraq."

Corbin, a second-year graduate student in the Department of Women's and Gender Studies, is the co-founder and outreach coordinator of the Student Veteran's Association. She served five years as an Army signal officer out of Fort Hood, Texas and a year with the First Cavalry Division in Baghdad, Iraq. Through this event, Corbin wants to provide a firsthand account of the personality and people involved in war.


My hero, I'm sure. Yech.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:54 PM
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52. All that pointless verbage over a comparison of 2 articles. nt
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:38 PM
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57. it's never pointless
if it points out the crap.

Which it did.
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:21 PM
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11. LOL. In other words, as we already know, gun ownership is not really about self-defense.
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 05:21 PM by DanTex
This article should be titled "everything that we already knew about the psychology of gun ownership, but gunners are in denial about". Where to start...

First, for women, the motivations include "the thrill of being good shooters, self-defense, and being different from ‘other kinds of women’.” Yes, being different from other women is a great reason to carry a gun around.

Of course, most gun owners are men, which, as they point out, is because "the association of guns, aggression, and violence with masculinity". Not much of a surprise there. But I'm glad that it's academic sociologists saying this stuff. Because if anyone here on DU points out that guns are really about aggression, violence, and masculinity, you get some lecture about how it's really about self-protection in a dangerous world and how guns teach responsibility and all that nonsense...

It gets better. They also point out that after a while some women developed "an increased fear of crime and sense of vulnerability when unarmed". Umm, yeah. And I bet that after a while they start role-playing DGU scenarios in their head over and over again, until they spend half the day fantasizing about being attacked and shooting down the bad guy...

And who could have imagined that "women immersed in CHL culture begin to see carrying a gun as the only way to feel safe". Wow, paranoia and gun-dependence? Really? Who would have guessed?

Good stuff...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:28 PM
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15. That *might* be impressive if you had read the actual paper and were discussing that....
...instead of a press release. Once again, "you wouldn't have seen it if you didn't believe it."

Let us know about how Stroud selected her 15 subjects from 127,000 women CCW holders in Texas. Unless and until you can
establish how that was done in a valid manner, your post remains on the level of "Look, look, someone agrees with me!"

Economists, EM professors, and paralegals, indeed...
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:33 PM
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19. IOW, you saw the trailer and think you saw the entire movie n/t
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 06:07 PM
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25. jonesing
The things are obviously addictive, after all -- this being the only apparent reason why moves to restrict access to them are constantly compared to restrictions on access to narcotics and alcohol and tobacco products and pronounced as doomed to failure.

So what's really needed, I fear, is one of those 12-stepping things ...

Of course, for those who find that business as distasteful as I do, I could give a referal to a secular alternative or two on which a recovery program could be modeled. Me, I do prefer to recommend individual treatment, though, since addiction is almost always a symptom rather than a cause.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:29 PM
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16. "Who would have gussed?" You. You did a lot of it. nt
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:30 PM
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17. as I've been saying in the thread ;)
Admissions against interest, we "paralegals" would be calling this, I think.

:rofl:

I wonder whether Xela will enlighten us as to his responses to the findings??

(Did you see my reply about Mauser, btw?)
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DanTex Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:42 PM
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21. Scooped again! Someday I'll have an original thought...
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:05 PM
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41. Yes...maybe someday...
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:23 PM
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37. ""I don't style myself here by my occupation. I think that's just a tad pretentious"
Uh, What's that you were saying?

" Admissions against interest, we "paralegals" would be calling this, I think."



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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 11:07 PM
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42. Lol
I have a feeling that quote may come back to haunt her.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:38 AM
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45. wowsers, the lack of abstract thought here is gobsmacking
quoting me: "Admissions against interest, we 'paralegals' would be calling this, I think."

See the quotation marks around "paralegals" in what I said?

Well, you seem to be late to the party. There was a whole little subthread up at the top started by one of our friends referring to "Canadian paralegals" ... gosh, I wonder who that meant.

I am not a paralegal. I am a former long-time lawyer. I currently work in a field that involves legal research. Do you have any idea what that means, or how many occupations it could cover? I don't do title searches. I research law -- statutes, regulations, judgments, parliamentary proceedings, historical documents, learnèd opinion, etc. etc. etc. I switched careers after practising law for quite a few years, as very many lawyers do. I don't work for a law firm, I don't work for lawyers. And nobody here has any idea what I do.

So no, that wasn't an admission against interest, friend. It was a joke.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 02:15 PM
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53. I prefer the cubist variety of thought. nt
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:26 PM
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13. more from the researcher
www2.asanet.org/sectionsexgend/news/july09.pdf

A single paragraph that am separating for ease of reading.

SEX & GENDER
GRAD STUDENT SHOWCASE

Continuing our annual tradition, we are featuring descriptions of graduate students’ dissertations that have an emphasis on sex/gender. This year, we’ve organized the contributions alphabetically by author. Enjoy!

“Locked and Loaded: The Social Meanings of
Concealed Handgun Licenses”
Angela Stroud, University of Texas at Austin

This dissertation will explore the social meanings embedded in the practice of carrying concealed
handguns.

At present, gun purchases and concealed handgun licensing are on the rise. Some reports suggest that gun stores sell out of ammunition almost as quickly as their shelves are stocked. The current Texas legislative session saw nineteen different bills introduced and all of them sought to expand gun rights, particularly rights surrounding carrying concealed handguns.

Most arguments in favor of expanded rights for concealed handgun carriers revolve around our collective need to protect the "good guys" from the "bad guys." These discourses, and the embedded meanings of gender, race, and class that shape them, are the focus of this dissertation. Feminist and critical race theories provide the framework for this project.

I will interview 65 people who are involved with concealed handgun licensing, from licensing instructors, to participants. These licensees will be able to speak to when, where, and why license holders carry concealed weapons.

I will also interview police officers—a population highly trained in firearms proficiency and charged with the task of defending the public— who can speak to their views on the concealed handgun use. I will also interview gun users who do not have licenses to explore why they do not.

Taken together, these interviews will reveal something about the social meanings of the concealed
carry movement. Additionally, I will go through the process of obtaining a concealed handgun license, to examine how the licensing procedures produce a certain type of armed citizen and will conduct an ethnographic content analysis of media used by gun advocacy groups.

To date, the social meanings of gun use and concealed gun carry have not been explored. This project is one step towards filling that void.


I hope the report described in the opening post is just a preliminary study and she will be publishing more in future.
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:26 PM
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38. Six responses to the original post
Well at least you aren't replying to your own posts.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:39 AM
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47. yeah
I do my research, eh?

:eyes:
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gravity556 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 09:38 PM
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39. entertaining

The author of the study is "Angela Stroud, a graduate student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin".

Uh oh. A student.

Kind of like the Harvard law student whose study of "castle doctrine" laws, which I posted and discussed here, was dismissed so scornfully by so many hereabouts ...

A student.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 05:53 PM
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24. Haven't found the actual paper yet...
Edited on Wed Sep-14-11 06:15 PM by Xela
Titled: “Gender, Violence and Concealed Handgun Licensing”. by "Angela Stroud, a graduate student in the Department of Sociology at the University of Texas at Austin."

Perhaps it will be published online sometime in the future, or via JSTOR.

http://www.asanet.org/journals/journals.cfm

Or we could be lucky enough and receive a visit from Ms. Stroud.

In any case, if any one finds it first, please share with the group.

"To obtain a copy of the paper; for more information on other ASA presentations; or for assistance reaching the study’s authors, members of the media can contact Daniel Fowler at pubinfo@asanet.org or (202) 527-7885. During the Annual Meeting (Aug. 20-23), ASA’s Public Information Office staff can be reached in the press room, located in the Sorrento Room of Caesars Palace, at (702) 866-1916 or (914) 450-4557 (cell).

For more information about the study, members of the media can also contact Michelle Bryant, Office of Public Affairs, University of Texas at Austin, at mbryant@austin.utexas.edu or (512) 914-4540."

Regards,

Xela

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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:01 PM
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35. There may not be a paper yet, it's just an announcement of a conference presentation
If she's a PhD candidate presenting results it's possible or even likely that she hasn't yet finished the dissertation writing, let alone prepared journal articles for submission. It's not uncommon for professional organizations to produce press releases in advance of a meeting describing talks that will be of local interest and may entice media coverage of the conference...
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:38 AM
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46. Thanks for that...
I appreciate the kind clarification.

Regards,

Xela
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:45 AM
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48. exactly
She was apparently presenting interim results of her dissertation work at a conference. As you say, not at all uncommon. I'd thought this had gone without saying. ;)

I posted the description of her dissertation proposal in post 13 in this thread.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-11 08:47 PM
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36. posting to bkmrk this thread for updates. thanks, Xela. n/t
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-11 09:53 AM
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61. A "working paper"
Edited on Mon Sep-19-11 09:55 AM by Xela
I was told the author spoke about a "working paper". And that they are "not distributing the paper at this time".

On the other hand, I was also told the author is "available to answer follow up from the media".

All this was suggested by petronius a little ealier. And petronius was spot on.

And that's the rest of the story for now :)

Kind regards,

Xela
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:59 AM
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49. Way to fight the patiarchy!
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 01:44 PM
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51. Firearms ARE empowering.
There is no doubt, firearms absolutely ARE empowering.

When faced with a violent criminal, without a firearm a victim has three choices: Run if you are fast enough, submit if you are tough enough, or engage in a physical contest of strength with your attacker. The week are at the mercy of the strong.

A firearm is an equalizer. It allows a victim the choice of resisting their attacker without resorting to a physical contest of strength. That is empowering.
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Xela Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 04:06 PM
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54. Facebook post - CHL academy changes teaching style because of study
Interesting lesson learned.

Women's Safety Academy of Central Texas in Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/WomensSafetyAcademyCentralTexas/posts/222186541161917

"Angela Stroud came thru my CHL class a few years back while she was doing research for this presentation. I know I have changed my teaching style since we last met, and it is becuase of what she says at the end of this blog."

Xela
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