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Frodo_Baggins Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:35 PM
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Why join the NRA, anyway?
Why join the NRA, anyway?

Today, it is almost ubiquitous for gun rights supporters to ask people to join the NRA – in the end of practically every sermon they deliver to their pistol-packing choir. Well, this is my official responds to these pastor: the NRA will get membership money from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers. See, the NRA leadership is the sort of people that no thinking Second Amendment supporter would support – ever.
You’re probably shifting colors into the infra-red spectrum in your comfy seat out there in Virginia, but there’s a whole bunch of totally logical reason for a true supporter of freedom not to join the NRA. Let’s look at it rationally.
According to the NRA, they are a “civil rights group”. In fact, they are obviously not a civil rights group – certainly not one defending the Second Amendment. Type www.nra-ila.org into your Web browser. Right at the top of the screen, you will see the words of the Second Amendment: “A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” On the same website the NRA officials claim to support “existing gun control laws”.
Now, what sort of civil rights group would support laws that violate the Bill of Right? Can you imagine the ACLU saying “we support enforcement of existing decency protection bills” and refuse to defend Larry Flint? Can you imagine Amnesty saying “we support enforcement of existing apartheid laws”? Try searching LaPierre’s or Heston’s speeches for the word “repeal”. It’s not there. It’s not in the NRA dictionary.
Speaking of apartheid, the NRA often mention the fact (and it IS a fact) that many of today’s gun laws were targeted at putting African-Americans at a disadvantage. Yet at least one member of the NRA Board of Directors os visibly racist. Here’s a remark by Ted Nugent: "Apartheid isn't that cut and dry. All men are not created equal.” Now, I like The Nuge. Fact is, I’m listening to his songs as I write this. But he’s a racist – which is in itself not a crime – but when racists start leading “civil rights” groups, something is deeply wrong.
The NRA is the world’s largest “gun lobby”. It has four and a half million members. Yet it spends half as much money on D.C. lobbying as the GOA with it’s 450,000 members. When a group ten times smaller than the NRA spends twice as much money, something is deeply wrong.
The NRA also claims to have been supporting gun rights for the last 133 years. Let’s see, The NRA-ILA has been active since 1975, protecting civil rights(at least sometimes). Before that, the NRA has been active in relation to Federal legislation in 1932 (when they helped several states to create the Uniform Machinegun Act – which set the framework towards the NFA).
In 1934, the then-president of the NRA spoke before Congress to say that the Second Amendment “didn’t matter” as concerning the NFA. Ask yourself – why no NRA help in US vs. Miller? Because this 133-year old organization thinks the Second Amendment doesn’t matter. Mind you, the main reason Miller’s attorney didn’t show up at the trial was because he an Miller couldn’t afford to print the brief – or travel to D.C. If somebody has given them the money, perhaps today we wouldn’t be spending millions to stop people from being put in prison over a flash suppressor.
In 1968, the NRA has advocated a seven-day waiting period on handguns. Note: this is more than what Feinstein wants today – Feinstein wants five days. Can’t you just see the ACLU pushing for adding limitations on campaign financing to the CFR bill? Yeah, right.
Not that the NRA doesn’t have successes, mind you. One of the big NRA successes is Project Exile – zero-tolerance enforcement of federal gun laws. The NRA is dead set on putting anybody who has a felony conviction but has a gun in prison. (By the way, they lie when they say Project Exile only includes violent felon). For those unfamiliar with how Project Exile works, here’s a quote from David Holthouse’s analysis of Project Exile in Colorado: “The majority of the defendants -- 154 out of 191 -- have no violent felonies on their records; two were illegal aliens with no criminal record at all. Among the 37 who do have a history of violence, seventeen did not use a gun in their previous crime. This means that just slightly more than one in ten of the prohibited persons prosecuted under Project Exile -- twenty out of 191 -- has a proven history of gun violence.” Violent gun felons, right? That’s very truthful of you, Mr.LaPierre. This is not an assault.
So, given that the NRA is today’s equivalent of Microsoft in the gun liberty market – I think the time has come to go Unix.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:46 PM
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1. One reason to join
is for the discount-rate M-1 Garand rifle.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:48 PM
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2. Enjoy associating with the scum of the earth
and get the same old tired propaganda to spread on the web...
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Young Socialist Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:52 PM
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3. I'm a NRA member and I agree with a lot of your
criticisms of them. they are not perfect and it would be nice to be able to go down to my local gun store and put down $700 for a MP5 or select fire HK33. but it ain't going to happen, not even if GOA was 10 times the size NRA is now, you see the pols on both sides don't want the common man to have that kind of freedom and they don't believe we are responsible enough. so I'm starting by digging in my heals and saying no more bullshit gun laws, and just maybe we'll get the NFA register for full auto opened back up again. that ban was due to raygun, next time a repug gets in your face about gun control, just remind them of that.
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Frodo_Baggins Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 02:59 PM
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4. Again, there's a free market on liberty.
Why choose NRA when there's 1001 different orgs out there?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:08 PM
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6. How about GOA--headed by Larry Pratt
a right wing bigot so scummy that even Pat Buchanan had to flee his company publicly...

The Aryan Nation stands firm for gun rights...as does Stormfront...
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Frodo_Baggins Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:32 AM
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10. How about
JPFO? Armedansecure.org? Or independent activism (the best option)?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:35 AM
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11. How about the KKK?
They parrot that gun rights crap too...and they're not trying to hide what they really are.

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Frodo_Baggins Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:40 AM
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12. Oh, yeah,
that's why they invented the idea of concealed carry bans...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 08:14 AM
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13. Hey, every racist around is spoutng this "gun rights" crap
and about every civil rights group around ended up on the NRA enemies list.

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Frodo_Baggins Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:56 AM
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14. about every civil rights group around ended up on the NRA enemies list
bingo!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:58 AM
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15. Yup...
The "gun rights" crowd isn't fooling much of anybody...it's old fashioned racist right wing nuts hiding under a new sheet.
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trappedoldman Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:00 PM
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5. good post
Good post YS, I agree 100%.
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analogman Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 09:59 AM
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16. Excellent point!
...pols on both sides don't want the common man to have that kind of freedom

You couldn't be more spot on! There is nothing our government fears more than an armed, informed citizen.

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analogman Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 03:11 PM
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7. I can't think of a good reason to join.
I don't need some lobby group to tell me what I already know.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 06:51 PM
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8. I save my money...
...and put it into ammo...
You can still get 1000rds of 7.62 X 39 for $85...
I feel I am doing my part to keep the economy running...
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Young Socialist Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-04 08:58 PM
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9. I did my part today, 150 rounds thro my BHP and
50 thro my enfield mk4. I'm going to have to start reloading my own again for the enfiled since a lot of the milsurp .303 is drying up. I used to reload for 9mm but it's not worth it when a box of 50 S&B is only $5.95.
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