CHL holder saves people from crazed gunman

[chibajoe]

A shoot-out at a seafood restaurant left an employee dead, the man who tried to save her wounded, and the boyfriend who shot her and the would-be rescuer dead of a self-inflicted wound.

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20110517/HURBLOG/110519518/1223?Title=2-die-1-injured-in-Pierre-Part-shootout

Well, ok, maybe not, but this could easily have turned out like http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006983-504083.html">this story without the intervention of the CHL holder.

[AtheistCrusader]

1. No reason to make that assumption.

It's a leap beyond a rare event, to an even more rare event.

Also, this anecdotal story will be used against your position to illustrate that in some cases (the intimation will be 'all') armed bystanders cannot react fast enough to save the victim.

[GreenStormCloud]

9. We freely admit that the initial victim is next to impossible to save.

The bad guy has the advantage of the iniative. The armed citizen usually won't know a shooting is happening until the bad guy pulls the gun and starts shooting. We do claim that he won't be able to walk through the place casually killing people by the dozen as other mass killers have done. An armed citizen who is actually present will normally be able to get into action after the first two or three shots.

[GreenStormCloud]

11. Self-delete. Posted in wrong spot. N/T

[AtheistCrusader]

14. Depends on the intent of the aggressor.

If it's an assassination, yes. Unless the first shot isn't lethal for some reason, impossible for intervention.

[chibajoe]

13. I made no asumption about what might or might not have happened

I simply pointed out a similar story that had a different ending and alluded to the possibility that these two stories could have had similar endings.

[GreenStormCloud]

2. A legally armed citizen stopped the killer.

It is only speculation as to how many, if any, more would have been shot. The CHL holder stopped the crazy guy.

[DWC]

3. Self defense

is not only a right, it is a responsibility. This CHL holder stood in defense and stopped a deadly attacker. Yes, one person was murdered but how many more would have followed if this brave, armed individual had not responded?

That is specifically why I constant concealed carry.

This needs to be sent to the Ohio Restaurant Association.

Semper Fi,

[MicaelS]

4. No critcism of you, but that is a poorly written sentence

When I read it as the employee was dead, the boy friend was dead, and the would be rescuer was dead of a self-inflicted wound.

I went WTF??? Did the CCW holder shoot the attacker, and then kill himself in remorse???

Some of these "journalists" can't write worth a damn.

[RSillsbee]

6. It's not just you I got the same thing NT

[rl6214]

8. Sorry, I understood it just fine.

[ileus]

7. I had to read the story to figure the chain of events...

[chibajoe]

10. Actually, I thought it was a very well written sentence

the type that you don't see very often in a news paper article. It is grammatically correct and conveys the situation succinctly, without being sensationalist or overly simplistic. The writer obviously paid attention in english class.

[RamboLiberal]

5. Good for the armed citizen for taking action

IMHO he did the best he could & may have saved some lives including his own.

[GreenStormCloud]

12. But...but...where are all the dead innocent bystanders?

According to certain frequent posters to this forum, CCW holders aren't able to hit the bad guys. Our practice on paper targets is supposed to be meaningless. When the shit hits the fan we are supposed to panic and spray bullets all over the place, hitting everybody except the bad guy. Instead, once again the CCWer shot straight and true.

[rl6214]

16. Don't forget the qwik draw practice in front of the mirror.

You know that is required for any cowboy CCW holder.

[spin]

15. All is quiet on the Western Front. Those who oppose concealed carry are ignoring this post. (n/t)

[Bold Lib]

17. But unrecing the hell out of it. Odd isn't it?

[spin]

18. Yup. (n/t)

[ileus]

19. But but...he didn't kill the bad guy, and he got shot...he endangered everyone around him.

Where did all his bullets travel? Can people sue him? The guy only wanted to kill the young lady and no one else...

[GreenStormCloud]

20. We still haven't had any of the antis show up yet. N/T