4 slain in Ohio; suspect dies in police shootout

[MyrnaLoy]

Four people were found dead in a rural Ohio home Saturday, three police officers were wounded, and a fourth person was injured all within a span of about 30 minutes that ended with a police shootout and the death of a man police suspect was responsible for the bloody mayhem.

http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article409274.ece

[RSillsbee]

1. What does this anecdotal current events piece have to do

W/ the mission of this forum

Discussion of gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense belong in the Guns Forum.

[MyrnaLoy]

2. so only

the feel good stories are allowed? Very sheltered world you must live in. You can't take the good with the bad?

[Euromutt]

4. Nobody's saying "only the feel good stories are allowed." However...

... if you think the story illustrates some point about public policy, it's helpful to the discussion to state what that point is and how the example illustrates it.

[Tesha]

7. The public policy point that this illustrates is simple:

Too many of those particular Americans-who-are-
psychologically-challenged have too many guns.

And we're doing little or nothing from the stand-
point of public policy to correct this. In fact,
we're moving in the wrong direction.

Tesha

[Hoyt]

11. +100.

[RSillsbee]

15. And how do you intend to address this

while protecting the civil liberties of law abiding gun owners?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. -100

and unrec to boot. plenty has been done, in fact. funny, how people choose to ignore the laws already written but, how is it you think that writing more laws will solve the problem when people are ignoring the laws already in place.

do not take away a personal right due to other people's personal irresponsibility.

[Starboard Tack]

19. +200%

[Euromutt]

20. You didn't actually read the OP article, did you?

When authorities arrived, Adams County Sheriff Kim Rogers said, cartoons were playing on a TV in the girl's room - where Roberts had been staying for several months, apparently because he was a burglary suspect and there were warrants for him in the Columbus area. Court records show Roberts, 27, faced felony charges of burglary and receiving stolen property late last year and failed to appear in court.

Under both 18 U.S. Code §922(n) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html) and Ohio Revised Code §2923.13 (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.13), it is illegal for a person to possess a firearm if he is under indictment for a felony, or a fugitive from justice. Roberts was both. And nobody, not even the NRA, is agitating for those laws to be repealed.

Moreover, it looks suspiciously like the deceased, who were related to Roberts, were harboring him--a dangerous situation to put oneself in--and we have to consider the possibility that he murdered them because he feared they were going to turn him in. This is not a situation that's likely to overcome someone who doesn't harbor a wanted felon out of some misplaced "blood is thicker than water" idea.

In short, this incident doesn't really illustrate your claimed point at all.

[MyrnaLoy]

22. So are you saying

11-year-old Harley Stevens, deceased, is to blame for putting herself in a situation by harboring the felon? Damn her!!

[Euromutt]

23. No, I'm not, because she didn't put herself in that situation

And frankly, I resent the insinuation that I was suggesting any such thing.

I'm not even particularly interested in imparting some degree of blame on whichever adult member of her household was responsible for putting her in that position. The blame must ultimately go to the scumbag who pulled the trigger.

What I am saying is that an incident of this kind is not something that could happen to "just anybody" and that therefore, there but for the grace of God go we. The fact that the suspected murderer was on the lam and being harbored in the household for four months or more is a rather important factor. One, I might note, you neglected to mention in the OP.

[MyrnaLoy]

24. are you kidding me?

"just anybodys" your words, get killed every day. not something that could happen to "just anybody"

well if we don't know them it's no big deal I guess.

[Euromutt]

25. Hey, it's your OP

If you were trying to make some point about how violent gun crime can affect people at random, or how certain individuals should not be permitted by law to possess firearms, this particular incident was an extremely poorly chosen example. And it doesn't matter how many deliberate mischaracterizations and red herrings you throw into the discussion.

[Kolesar]

3. Happy, lovey, pretty gun stories go into the "Outdoor Life Group" forum

Oh, look at him wiggle his little cartridges!

[sharesunited]

5. The false RKBA terminates four persons' actual rights with extreme prejudice.

Good work USA.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. You'd better watch out.

Are you looking to get *gasp* - unrecc'ed?

:rofl:

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Odds are the shooter already had a criminal record. N/T

[Euromutt]

21. Close; he hadn't been convicted, but he was on the lam from a couple of felony charges

From the OP article:

When authorities arrived, Adams County Sheriff Kim Rogers said, cartoons were playing on a TV in the girl's room - where Roberts had been staying for several months, apparently because he was a burglary suspect and there were warrants for him in the Columbus area. Court records show Roberts, 27, faced felony charges of burglary and receiving stolen property late last year and failed to appear in court.

In short, the guy was under indictment for two felonies (making it illegal for him to possess a firearm under state and federal law), a fugitive from justice (ditto), and the victims had been harboring him for four months or thereabouts.

[lawodevolution]

9. and this type of thing has been reducing in frequency for a while.

[Hoyt]

10. "Reducing"? We hardly ever read about a gun being used in a massacre nowadays.

:sarcasm:

[WatsonT]

13. Personal impressions and statistical trends are not the same thing

Remember that outbreak of kidnappings of cute white girls we had a few years back?


Pretty huge right? What caused that massive increase in kidnappings?

Well nothing really, there was no increase, only a difference in perception.

[WatsonT]

12. Why didn't the police just take the gun from the perp?

It's incredibly easy.

Or why didn't the perp just accidentally kill himself immediately upon picking up the gun? That is what always happens.

[rrneck]

14. Four dead in Ohio. That sounds familiar...

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=SRX4R9cYeDQ

[rl6214]

16. Not even worth it

No comments to comment on.

[Blown330]

17. Another drive-by posting...

...and another where I exercise the Unrec button.





Between you and jpak it's been getting a LOT of use.