Man charged in case of toddler accidentally shooting another toddler (FL)

[jpak]

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/apr/27/man-charged-case-toddler-accidentally-shooting-ano/

A 23-year-old Cape Coral man was arrested Wednesday by the Fort Myers Police Department after leaving a gun near a three-year-old who accidentally shot another toddler last week.

Emmit Scott was charged with child neglect.

On April 19, at the 3000 block of Second Street, Fort Myers, a three-year-old boy played with a gun that was left on a couch and accidentally shot a two-year-old victim to the shoulder, according to reports.

Four adults and another child were inside the apartment at the time of the shooting, reports said.

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[valerief]

1. Hey, hey, hey, it's not the man's fault the toddler wasn't properly trained to handle a gun.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Guns don't kill people. Untrained toddlers with guns kill people.

[WatsonT]

10. If he'd left the kid in the drivers seat with the vehicle running

and the kid had somehow knocked it out of gear and killed someone, would you blame the car?

[valerief]

18. The toddler should at least have a learner's permit. nt

[angstlessk]

2. I was hoping to see...man charged in todler killing of mother 'wife'

[ZombieHorde]

3. I support IQ tests for firearm ownership. nt

[Remmah2]

9. A permit for procreation would be good too. nt

nt

[ZombieHorde]

24. Churches have been trying to keep people from fucking for a long time now.

I don't think permits will do the job.

[WatsonT]

12. What about voting?

I'm more worried about masses of stupid people electing my government than I am masses of stupid people having access to guns.

Guns can only kill those in the immediate area, a bad government can get all of us killed.

[ZombieHorde]

19. I go back and forth on thinking intelligence tests for voting is a good idea.

I like the basic idea, but I don't trust Republicans to not skew the test to favor specific American subcultures.

[WatsonT]

21. The same argument could be made for various proposed tests for firearms

[ZombieHorde]

23. Both parties are pro-gun, so I don't think that is very likely.

Neither party wants to piss off gun enthusiasts.

Voting demographics and gun demographics are very different from each other.

[ManiacJoe]

4. Anything in particular about that criminal act that you wanted to discuss?

[jpak]

5. Yeah - like what NRA law abiding citizen/responsible GOP/NRA owner would leave a loaded gun

on a couch with toddlers running around

doesn't make the GOP/NRA image myth look good

yup

[X_Digger]

6. The only myths I see are the ones you seem to ascribe to others..

Yet can oddly never back up with a cite.

Telling, id'nit?

[Hoyt]

14. This and similar instances show that gun owners are not as responsible as some want us to believe.

[X_Digger]

17. Question for you.. what is the trend in accidental shootings?

Are they going up, or down? Do you even know?

How many accidental shootings are there? What percentage of gun owners will be involved in an accidental shooting? What's the rate per 100,000?

[AtheistCrusader]

7. What makes you think he's law abiding, or a member of the NRA, or a member of the GOP?

Got some information not listed in the article?

[ManiacJoe]

8. You seem to have answered your own question.

[WatsonT]

11. If he was arrested that would imply he wasn't law abiding

you've assumed GOP/NRA membership based on nothing.

[rl6214]

15. Your GOP/NRA shtick has nothing to do with this event

Drop the shtick and engage in discussion or continue to look like a fool.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[PavePusher]

20. You have proof this guy was in the NRA? Or the GOP? n/t

[rl6214]

13. do you have a point to go along with this current event

or are you just drive-by spamming again?

[Hoyt]

16. Seems obvious -- too many gun owners are not as responsible as you want folks to believe.

[WatsonT]

22. 1 = too many?

Good thing we don't apply that elsewhere or we'd have no doctors, or pilots, or policemen, or cars, or swimming pools, or . . . .

Basically we'd lock ourselves in the house and huddle together in terror at the prospect of an outside world.

[Flyboy_451]

25. hmm...let's look at some numbers...

According to the FBI 14.5 million background checks were completed last year. these account only for legal purchases made through licensed dealers, and does not reflect the total number of firearms purchases. According to the VPC, we average around 35,000 firearms related deaths each year. I chose to use their number for two reasons; it agrees with other reliable sources and the VPC, given their dislike of firearms in general, is likely to want that number to be as high as possible to forward their goals.

So, given these numbers, let's do some calculating...Just for the fun of it, let's say that every single firearms related death is a result of irresponsible legal owners. Now we all know that this is not the case, but please be patient. There is a point to this. If we divide the number of deaths by the number of firearms purchases last year, it looks something like this 35,000/14,500,000=.002413. Converting that number to a percentage gives us .2413%, in other words roughly 2/10 of one percent. So, conversely, approximately 99.8% of legal firearms owners are responsible owners.

Just out of curiosity, can you name any other group as diverse as firearms owners, that make use of potentially dangerous tools, that can boast those kinds of numbers? Keep in mind, that these numbers are inflated in favor of your viewpoint by attributing ALL FIREARMS RELATED DEATHS to legal owners. This includes suicide, accidents and even crimes, which are largely committed by those not legally eligible to own firearms.

You specifically stated "too many gun owners are not as responsible as you want folks to believe."

I am not aware of anyone here having stated that ALL firearms owners are responsible. I have however seen claims that MOST LEGAL OWNERS are, and according to the math, MOST=OVER 99%. That seems to be a pretty good record by any standard that most people would consider reasonable. Perhaps you have a different view of reasonable, or perhaps you define "most" in some other way?

JW

[lawodevolution]

26. Unrec. Anecdotes are used to lie not show truth. Let's talk about gun accident rate instead