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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:08 AM
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"Firearm" or "Nonpowder Firearm"
H.R.2403 “Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act of 2003” defines

"(6) NONPOWDER FIREARM- The term `nonpowder firearm' means a device specifically designed to discharge BBs, pellets, darts, or similar projectiles by the release of stored energy."

Is not gunpowder "stored energy" and a bullet a "similiar projectile"?


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coltman Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:13 AM
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1. stored energy
Absolutly but gunpowder stores a heck of alot more.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 08:25 AM
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2. That bill looks to me like another attempt at back door gun control
The AWB is a failure.
Attempts to use the courts to put gun companies out of business by filing liability suits has failed.

Lets regulate guns through "consumer safety" and give the Attorney General the ability to make regulations at his whim.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:12 AM
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3. Welcome back
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:05 PM
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4. Here it comes
This thing is so broadly written that it could be interpreted to include bows and slingshots.

Here comes the flood of lawsuits if this thig passes.
SEC. 305. PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS ACT.

Any interested person may bring an action in any United States district court to enforce this Act, or restrain any violation of this Act or of any regulation prescribed or order issued under this Act. In any action under this section, the court, in its discretion, may award to a prevailing plaintiff a reasonable attorney's fee as part of the costs.

SEC. 306. EFFECT ON PRIVATE REMEDIES.

(a) IRRELEVANCY OF COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ACT- Compliance with this Act or any order issued or regulation prescribed under this Act shall not relieve any person from liability to any person under common law or State statutory law.

(b) IRRELEVANCY OF FAILURE TO TAKE ACTION UNDER THIS ACT- The failure of the Attorney General to take any action authorized under this Act shall not be admissible in litigation relating to the product under common law or State statutory law.


Who introduced this thing?

WWBBS?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:28 PM
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6. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy
From District 1 of the state of Rhode Island.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 01:19 PM
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10. Figures
'nuff said.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:12 PM
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5. I'll give up my compressed air powered spud gun
When they pry it from my greasy, salty hands!

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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:32 PM
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7. The ATF may consider spud guns
"(A29) Are "potato guns" or "spud guns" legal?

"Potato guns" or "spud guns" generally consist of sections of PVC plastic tubing and fittings and are designed to launch a muzzle-loaded potato (or other similar-size projectile) using hair spray or other aerosol vapor as a propellant. The propellant is ignited by means of a barbecue grill igniter or other similar ignition system.

Section 5845(f), Title 26, United States Code, regulates certain weapons as "destructive devices" which are subject to the registration and tax provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA). Section 5845(f)(2) includes within the definition of "destructive device" any type of weapon which will or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel of which has a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter. However, section 5845(f)(3) excludes from the definition of "destructive device" any device which is neither designed or redesigned for use as a weapon and any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device. The definition of "destructive device" in the Gun Control Act (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, is identical to that in the NFA.

ATF has previously examined "potato guns" or "spud guns" as described above and has generally determined that such devices using potatoes as projectiles and used solely for recreational purposes are not weapons and do not meet the definition of "firearm" or "destructive device" in either the NFA or GCA. However, ATF has classified such devices as "firearms" and "destructive devices" if their design, construction, ammunition, actual use, or intended use indicate that they are weapons. For example, ATF has classified such devices as "firearms" and "destructive devices" if they are designed and used to expel flaming tennis balls.

Possession and use of "potato guns" or "spud guns" may be restricted under State laws and local ordinances. Further, any person intending to make, use, or transfer any such device must be aware that they have a potential for causing serious injury or damage."
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a29

Read the next FAQ after the one quoted above.
The ATF will NOT tell you if your spud gun is a DD or not.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 12:39 PM
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8. Mine uses compressed air
Not covered at all.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 01:00 PM
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9. Compressed air here, too
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:33 PM
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11. Welcome back!!
Good to see you posting Jody. :thumbsup: :hi:
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:00 PM
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12. This is the; "Hey Kid You'll Shoot Your Eye Out" bill
They have finally hit rock bottom trying to take Ralphie's BB gun away.

What would Red Ryder say about this?
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-04 12:06 AM
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13. Buuuut it is for the veterans...
Of the BB gun wars.
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