GA passes gun bill

[littlewolf]

http://www.ajc.com/news/senate-passes-bills-on-874411.html


Gun bill passes

Another gun bill doing away with restrictions on where weapons can be carried passed the Senate.

"This is a gun bill," said Senate Bill 102's primary sponsor Sen. Jeff Mullis, R-Chickamauga.

Then he went further, "This is bill"

Mullis is not shy about his predilection for carrying guns. The Constitution says the right the own guns shall not be infringed upon, and he thinks any restrictions, including having to get a license to carry a concealed weapon, is an infringement.

SB 102 opens up concealed carrying in churches and other places now restricted, if the church decides it is OK, by people driving through schools to pick up or drop off students, and places such as Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport's passenger pickup and baggage claim area. Hartsfield-Jackson bans the practice. A late amendment by Mullis and others said that all persons elected to state and local offices can carry concealed weapons without obtaining a concealed-carry permit.

It passed 41-11.

[cleanhippie]

1. Good.

A good day for our Rights.

[GreenStormCloud]

2. It now has to go to the GA house. N/T

[Glassunion]

3. Stoopid authoritarian GOP/NRA stuff or whatever.

The blood will flow in the aisles, streets and stuff. This will lead to something bad and stuff.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

6. Ha! That lame prediction failed with every CCW bill. Not gonna happen. nt

[RSillsbee]

7. Just a bunch of morans

Yup
Yup
Yup

[rl6214]

9. Jpak, is that you?

:rofl:

[littlewolf]

4. the only part I have a problem with is this ....

A late amendment by Mullis and others said that all persons elected to state and local offices can carry concealed weapons without obtaining a concealed-carry permit.

[one-eyed fat man]

11. Illinois has a similar law...

for its elected officials. That is why Chicago alderman can carry concealed weapons... and have for 125 years while the denying any concealed carry for the mere peons in the general public.

If some stupid citizen's life were worth protecting he'd have a police detail with a multi-million dollar budget like Mayor Daley.

[Glorfindel]

5. Sounds like a Georgia legislator! Then he went further, "This is bill"

As a native Georgian, I can imagine Lester Maddox or Zell Miller saying exactly that: "This is bill." "You vote for bill." "Bill is good!" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hoyt]

12. Me too. I can also remember Lester Maddox chasing folks out of his restaurant with a gun and axe.

We've had our share of racists here (using their guns) to perpetuate their crud.

We'd be better off with people leaving their guns (and axe handles) at home.

[PavePusher]

14. And now you insinuate that carriers are generally racists.

I urge you to to become geo-spatially confused and self-fornicate.

[Hoyt]

16. "Here" = Georgia. And, yes, racists in Georgia use(d) guns to intimidate.

Ammo and "tactical' weapons flew off the shelves when Obama was elected and the TBaggers swarmed the gun stores and shows.

[PavePusher]

18. Dodge. Keep up the good work. n/t

[cleanhippie]

21. Ahh, you are in georgia....

That explains the ignorance. Now I get it.

[Hoyt]

26. Agree. Here and nationwide, ignorance and carrying seem highly correlated.

[cleanhippie]

29. Agreed. Yours and the nationwide idea about gun control is based on ignorance.

I am glad we are in agreement.
:toast:

[mvccd1000]

8. CCW in the airports?

I fail to understand why this is such an issue for Georgia legislators or airport authorities. It's not terribly uncommon to see an open carrier at Phoenix Sky Harbor airport, and who knows how many people carry concealed? In spite of that, I don't think you'll find any reports - ever - of a gun crime there (or of any crime committed by a legal gun carrier).

Many of the reports I see out of Georgia when this comes up, though, make it sound like we'll have armed terrorists sneaking around the airport, or that the TSA will be shooting grandpa Joe when he goes to drop off granny.

Have any of those legislators opened their eyes enough to take a look at other airports where this has always been legal?

[rl6214]

10. I carry (concealed) every time I go to the airport (Texas)

Just can't go into the secured areas. No blood flowing here.

[Hoyt]

13. Nope no blood, but yet you feel the need to carry.

[GreenStormCloud]

15. That is right. The reason that we carry is that if there is blood, we don't want it to be ours. N/

[Hoyt]

17. Carry a defibrillator then, you are much more likely to need it.

[spin]

19. So more than 1 out of 50 people will need a defibrillator this year?

Patterns are found within the victimology of crime in the United States. Overall, the financially disadvantaged, females, those younger than 25 and non Whites were more likely to fall victim to crime. Income, sex and age had the most dramatic effect on the chances of a person being victimized by crime, while the characteristic of race depended upon the crime being committed.

In 2005, 2.7% of African Americans became the victim of a violent crime, compared to 2.0% of Whites. African Americans were overall 35% more likely to sustain a violent crime. The likelihood of being murdered was drastically higher for African Americans.<21> In 2004 African Americans constituted roughly 13.4% of the general population,<22> yet, nearly half, 49%, of all murder victims in 2005 were African American.

Sexual assault and rape rates were roughly the same for all races. Whites and African Americans also had approximately the same chances of falling victim to simple assaults.

In terms of gender, males were more likely to become crime victims than were females, with 79% percent of all murder victims being male. Males were also twice as likely to be carjacked as were females.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

The odds of being a victim of a violent crime during adulthood are greater than 2 to 1. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Youth Violence Research Bulletin — February 2002)

More than one in three (35 percent) of adults are estimated to fall victim to violent crime. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Youth Violence Research Bulletin — February 2002)

***snip***

In 2002, state courts convicted more than one million adults of a felony. Of those convicted felons, 28 percent were given probation with no jail or prison time, and approximately 20 percent of the total number of convicted felons were violent offenders. (U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Felony Sentences in State Courts, 2004 — July 2007)
http://www.witnessjustice.org/news/stats.cfm#violentcrime

Perhaps YOU fit into a category where you have little chance of ever being violently attacked. Others may not be so fortunate.

[Hoyt]

20. In most of the cases you cite, a gun wouldn't have done you a bit of good. it'd be over before you

could draw.

[spin]

22. That statement is as accurate as the statement you made about a defibrillator ...

Many people who carry firearms practice situational awareness which means that they don't walk around with a cell phone glued to their ear.

The object of situational awareness is to "keep your radar out" and be aware of potential situations that might be dangerous and avoid them if at all possible.

People who practice situational awareness often describe four levels of readiness by using a color code.

White - unaware and unprepared. (This is the level most people are in at all times. For such people, a firearm would indeed do little good. as you say, "it would be over before you could draw."

Yellow - alert but relaxed. People in this state are calm but watchful. They watch other people and notice much more about their surroundings than the average person.

Orange - something has caught the persons attention. Something is not quite right. It may be nothing but the person is aware that there may be a possible threat and is prepared to take action if necessary or avoid the situation if possible.

Red - you have been attacked and you react. It is possible at this time that you may have to use your weapon for self defense if the threat could cause you serious injury or death.

Don't make the mistake of assuming that other people would be as easy a victim as you might possibly be.

[cleanhippie]

31. NONE of his statements have been accurate. Not even close.

His whole ideology is inaccurate as it is based of irrational fear and ignorance.

[GreenStormCloud]

25. Sounds like you are cheering for the criminal.

With good tactics you can put the criminal at a decided disadvantage. There is an excellent website on situational awareness and what to look for. Because of the tactics that criminals have to use they will tip off an aware person. Criminals won't attack while you are in a crowd, they will try to isolate you. As you leave a crowd, such as leaving a mall to go to your car, be alert for someone trying to approach you. Avoid ambush spots by giving them a wide berth. Here is a good site: http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/five_stages.html

A violent crime goes through five stages, from the point of view of the attacker. They are:

1. Intent - He decides to commit a specific crime, such a robbery, rape, etc.

2. Interview - He selects the victim according to his criteria. Almost always they want easy targets. By appearing to be a hard target you can "fail" the interview.

3. Positioning - He has selected his target and gets in position to attack. By being alert you can see them in this phase.

4. Attack - He strikes

5. Reaction - He has to react to what you do. If he has done the first four right there isn't much you can do. If you spot him in step 3, you can defeat him in step 4 by leaving the area is possible or being ready to shoot him if you have to.

[rl6214]

32. You are making this up just like you make everything up

You have no flipping clue how anyone would react, you are just stating how YOU would react.

[Callisto32]

35. I don't walk around with a cell phone on one ear and a headphone on the other.

I have been attacked on a number of occasions. While the attacks themselves were of varying severity, each time I saw it coming and could have shot the attacker had I been armed and inclined to do so.

At least MY personal experience doesn't bear out your broad brush.

[DonP]

23. Airports provide free defibrillators already

[Katya Mullethov]

33. And not of their own volition

But REGULATIONS spurred on by the cries of " If only ...someone had a defib !" I was studying one on the wall at DMV the other day as I waited for an hour to get the form that I filled it out in 47 seconds so I could wait in line for another hour and hand it back . *

And I would wager , that if used improperly , it was every bit as dangerous as a loaded gun .

[GreenStormCloud]

24. A defib requires a someone else as a trained operator.

You can't defib yourself. But I can operate my own guns without needing anybody else to do it for me.

What other silly comparisons would you like to make?

[rl6214]

28. I doubt that

I know how to handle a gun, I would electricute someone with a defibrillator.

[rl6214]

27. No blood in spite of the fact that all you anti gun people

claim there will be blood flowing in the streets, or airports if we carry.

[oneshooter]

30. No, but they will probably grope Granny. n/t

[Callisto32]

34. One rule for the nobles, another for the serfs...

I thought we left feudalism behind?

[littlewolf]

36. I think it was Jefferson who said

that which is forbidden to the people but allowed to the government is tyranny ...

not sure if that is correct or not .....