Things Aren't Going Too Well for the Freedom Fighting Rebels in Libya

[LAGC]

http://topics.cnn.com/topics/libya?hpt=htopic

I'll bet the citizens there kind of wish they had something like our Second Amendment right about now...

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[cliffordu]

1. Oh, FFS.

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Lack of guns aren't the problem. Aircraft and tanks are the fucking problem./


Try to keep up.

[phantom power]

2. You know, they've got guns. What they lack is an opposing tank calvary.

Which, by the way, is a problem we also would face if we ever decided to stage an armed revolt.

Just a thought.

[LAGC]

5. Even the people in the tanks have to get out sometime.

It takes troops to hold the ground.

[Wilms]

8. Well..

Once they kill everyone in sight, they can climb out of the tank and take a leak if they need to.

[LAGC]

11. I'm thinking more of guerilla warfare.

Don't confront the army when they amass forces, but only strike when you have the advantage, then dissolve and re-group before they can counter-attack.

Every additional tool the rebels have at their disposal helps.

[Wilms]

13. Ya know, it's a nice day outside.

Why don't you go inside and play a video game?

[LAGC]

15. I'm glad you make light of the situation.

People are suffering in Libya right now at the hands of their government, FYI.

And you joke about it.

[Wilms]

16. You're, actually the one taking it lightly.

More like taking it hostage in a feeble attempt to make a good point.

Any revolutions can you think of that didn't have a bunch of guys on the back of a pick-up with rifles hand guns and the Confederate flag?

[LAGC]

18. Well, I guess the point I'm trying to make is...

It shouldn't ever have to come down to a revolution at all.

The whole point of the Second Amendment is that it acts as a check on government power, so that the government doesn't get too out of control.

Our government rules with the consent of the people. Should any would-be despot ever try to abolish democracy and assume dictatorial power, the fact that so many civilians own guns would spell more trouble than its worth.

A government shouldn't be able to rule without the consent of the governed. That's all my point is.

[Wilms]

19. "Our government rules with the consent of the people"?

Have you ventured out to some of the other forums on DU?

[LAGC]

20. We still have elections don't we?

And people still pay taxes (since we have representation) and support the system.

We don't always get the representation we like, but we still have the means to change it, peacefully.

So long as peaceful means of change are viable, there's no need for revolution.

If only every government had peaceful ways to change the system and choose their leaders...

[Wilms]

21. Oh, yeah. We still have "elections".

[LAGC]

22. The 2000 election should have never been so close.

(Close enough to steal.)

You can thank Al Gore for that, for saying "fuck you" to gun-owners in his own home state of Tennessee, voters who came out in droves against him based largely on his handgun control stance alone. If he would have won his own state with its 11 electoral votes, Florida wouldn't have mattered.

If it wasn't so close of an election, we would have seen much bigger and vociferous protests, and quite possibly violence.

[tabatha]

3. Oh good grief.

Have you not seen the use of weaponry by the rebels.

What they need is an amendment to allow them to own fighter jets. That is what is killing them.

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[LAGC]

7. It takes troops to hold the ground.

Imagine snipers in every window and roof-top? Might make Gadhafi's forces' job of re-taking and holding towns a bit more difficult, to say the least...

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Yeah, that'd end their troubles.

*facepalm*

[LAGC]

6. I bet it would have prevented someone like Gadhafi from reigning so long.

He's been dictator there for over 40 fucking years.

[Wilms]

9. I'll bet you're hell-bent on using anything to try to make a point. And you know what?

It ain't working.

[LAGC]

10. So what do you suggest needs to be done to help the freedom fighters of Libya?

Wouldn't it be better if it never came down to this? To a point where Gadhafi thinks he can just boss the people around by shooting them and getting away with it?

Wouldn't it be better if the people had more of a check on power? Granted, guns alone won't do the trick, but every arm in civilian hands would certainly help.

[Wilms]

12. Dude, you're kindof making pro-gun rights people look...well, not good.

Posts like this make it easy to ignore their concerns. In fact, it bolsters the idea of taking AWAY guns, because there's a lot of evidence suggesting irrational people shouldn't have access to firearms.

You're the days poster child.

[LAGC]

14. I'm sure you think when the founders designed the Second Amendment ...

They were only speaking of people's right to hunt, right?

No, it was situations exactly like this that they were talking about. Preventing tyranny.

[Wilms]

17. The Founders?

That was 230 years ago. Technology and few other things have changed.

But sure, let's use some hand guns and rifles when they roll down the street.

[PavePusher]

25. It's never a good idea to directly attack a tank with a handgun.

Perhaps you need to read up on assymetrical warfare.

You know, the kind that's had us bogged down in Afghanistan for 10 years?

[TheCowsCameHome]

23. Another good argument for term limits.

That would have made a difference.

[lawodevolution]

24. People need to be reminded that gun control is a tool used by the leaders (Qaddafi and Mubarak,

Hitler, etc) of a government to decide who gets to own the guns. In countries with tough gun control those who are authorized to own guns are certainly not anyone who is in disagreement with the government. The stronger the gun control the more likely anyone who disagrees or would protest against the government will have their right to own a gun removed. The second amendment gives americans a unique ability to complain about their government openly without fear that they will have their guns confiscated or be denied the purchase of a firearm or have a CHL permit rejected (except certain fascist states).