Bangor teen charged with bringing gun into Denny’s

[jpak]

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/01/17/news/bangor/bangor-teen-charged-with-bringing-gun-into-dennyrsquos/

A local man who carried a 9 mm handgun on his belt into Denny’s restaurant early Sunday scared those inside so much that they called police, Sgt. Paul Edwards said Monday. The man was arrested.

“People were dismayed over this,” Edwards said. “That is why they called. They were scared about it.

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Polk took the handgun off Clendenning, who does not have a criminal record with the Bangor police, and removed him from the restaurant, Edwards said.

After police interviewed him and others at the restaurant, Clendenning was arrested on charges of carrying a concealed weapon and terrorizing. He was taken to the Penobscot County Jail and later released, a jail official said.

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but..but..but...if it was concealed - how could it scare people?

Why is having a "concealed" handgun in a restaurant considered "terrorizing"?

:shrug:

[WatsonT]

1. Obviously it wasn't concealed then

Congrats, you've found incontrovertible evidence that . . . sometimes reporters get the story wrong.

/was probably a military-style assault pistol too, with a bayonet lug and extended mag, painted black and with a folding stock. Possibly even Russian.

From the article:

A local man who carried a 9 mm handgun on his belt into Denny’s restaurant early Sunday scared those inside so much that they called police, Sgt. Paul Edwards said Monday. The man was arrested.

On the table where the men sat “were bullets in a magazine” for the handgun and a single bullet, he said.

[jpak]

2. Outstanding gun outline in clothing - everyone saw it

yup

[WatsonT]

3. On his belt

with the bullets laid on the table.

That's some fine concealment there.

Yup.

/His shirt was also concealed, as were his pants and shoes. In that they were plain for everyone to see.

[rl6214]

32. Concealed means concealed

that also means no printing. If you print (the gun can be seen thru the clothes) the gun is not concealed. Next stupid point?

YUP

YUP

YUP

[Ian David]

4. His "Concealed" gun needed lessons in how not to bee seen...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ

[rfranklin]

5. I don't think any of you legal eagles know the whole story...

and I certainly wouldn't base my legal defense on a newspaper story. I suspect that the police had some information that made them feel that they could make the charges stick.

Isn't it possible that the gun was out on the table at some point? And that the fellow then put in under his shirt which would mean that he had concealed it?

[WatsonT]

6. It was on his belt, clear to see

and they had ammunition on the table.

The reporter should be fired.

[jpak]

7. But why is it terrorizing if open carry is OK in Maine? Why were people scared?

I'll tell you why

Open carry guns do not belong in public places.

They were correct to be scared.

The only reason to open carry in a public place is to intimidate and terrorize.

yup

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. "The only reason to open carry in a public place is to intimidate and terrorize."

I'm guessing interactions with most cops are rather nerve-wracking for you...

[jpak]

10. Nope police are trained and legally authorized to carry guns, they protect me from gun toting teens

in Denny's

yup

[WatsonT]

13. Are you frequently scared by teens?

Do you often call the cops to protect you from them?

And you anti-gun folks always accuse gun-owners of living in fear.

And I think you'll find a great many gun owners to be better trained on firearms than many police officers.

Also by law people can openly carry in Maine. Meaning that if they aren't prohibited from having a firearm they are LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO CARRY GUNS, in public, openly.

And yet you're terrified of them. Seems a double standard.

/BTW: you must be 21 to legally purchase and carry a handgun. The teens you're so scared of would be breaking the law if they were carrying a handgun.

[jpak]

17. Teens wiith guns at Denny's late at night - yup - as any sane person would be

yup

[WatsonT]

20. Must be 21 to buy a handgun in the US

Yup.

That's the law.

Yup.

Must be at least 18 to possess one.

Yup.

Cannot be concealed in public without a CHL.

Yup.

Must be 21 to get a CHL.


Yup.

Any teenager who possess a concealed handgun in public in Maine is breaking the law, be it at Denny's, Ihop, or even Shoney's.

Yup.

You live a life of constant, irrational fear.

Yup.

[jpak]

23. "Must be at least 18 to possess one"- the kid was 19 and he could open carry it

But decided to conceal it poorly

Terrorizing

Unlawful concealment

yup

[WatsonT]

26. So it was opencarry and concealed at the same time

I bet that tore a hole in the fabric of space time or something.

I'm not sure what your argument here is. They shouldn't have concealed hand-gun laws because this kid tried to do it and did a poor job?

Or they shouldn't have open carry because then people will conceal them in such a way that they are plainly visible to everyone else?

Pause for a moment, collect yourself, then present one single unified argument as to what your point here is.

yup

[Callisto32]

35. "A and not A" = Fail

[ileus]

36. Nope

[one-eyed fat man]

30. Eighteen in Maine

Maine Revised Statutes Chapter 252: PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED FIREARMS

1. Criteria for issuing permit. The issuing authority shall, upon written application, issue a permit to carry concealed firearms to an applicant over whom it has issuing authority and who has demonstrated good moral character and who meets the following requirements:
A. Is 18 years of age or older; <1985, c. 478, §2 (NEW).>
B. Is not disqualified to possess a firearm pursuant to Title 15, section 393 , is not disqualified as a permit holder under that same section and is not disqualified to possess a firearm based on federal law as a result of a criminal conviction. <2007, c. 194, §5 (AMD).>

Resident Application Package


Lived there all his life and doesn't know the law....:rofl:

Eighteen is also the minimum age for a CCW in Indiana as well. Federal law only prohibits someone under 21 from BUYING a handgun.

[WatsonT]

15. "Officer, there are TEENS, on my lawn!

Come out here quick and shoot them for me with your big sexy guns that I find fascinating and repulsive at the same time."



Ha!

What a way to live life.

[jpak]

18. I have to open carry in a Denny's or I will not feel good - what a way to live

nope

[WatsonT]

21. That's what the 2nd amendment says

"You must carry handguns in to Dennys, yup"

[jpak]

24. No it does not

yup

[WatsonT]

25. I appreciate that you are ignorant here

so I'll ask, what exactly do you think the 2nd amendment says?

[jpak]

28. It says nothing about Denny's - anybody knows that

and no amendment is absolute

nope

[WatsonT]

29. Ok, so the entirety of your understanding of the 2nd amendment is . . .

that it does not relate to Denny's?

Because there is more to it.

[WatsonT]

11. "But why is it terrorizing if open carry is OK in Maine? "

Likely there is more to this story than is to be found in the article.

All we know is that the article was poorly written as the gun was somehow simultaneously concealed and plainly visible. That gives me little confidence in the rest of the article which is short and light of facts anyway. Let's wait for a trial. (BTW the kid was released so it seems likely this wasn't as big a deal as you'd like to believe).

"Why were people scared?"

Again, we'll need more information. If he was waving it around or making casual threats or talking really loudly about killing people, I could see that as being threatening. You seem to have concocted an entire story from this, and then applied it on a national level based on really nothing. Consider, see these two dots - > . .

Using your level of reasoning I could connect them and re-create the mona lisa.

"Open carry guns do not belong in public places."

A conclusion that doesn't match the facts. People get pulled over all the time, I guess cars don't belong on roads.

"They were correct to be scared."

Because literally dozens of them were murdered. Well, a dozen +/- 12.

"The only reason to open carry in a public place is to intimidate and terrorize."

I thought this was a concealed carry. Are you admitting your article is full of holes?

[WatsonT]

12. Ahem

but..but..but...if it was concealed - how could it scare people?

Why is having a "concealed" handgun in a restaurant considered "terrorizing"??

And then a few minutes later . . . .

The only reason to open carry in a public place is to intimidate and terrorize."

At least stick with one story. This can't both be used against concealed carry and open carry at the same time.

[jpak]

19. A handgun tucked under a teeshirt is quite visible

yup

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[AtheistCrusader]

40. There are holsters specifically designed to prevent that possibility.

Good for you to wait for all the facts to come in, before assuming this kid is guilty of anything.

[speltwon]

41. Thankfully, there is case law in my state to the contrary

expressly concluding that open carry is not prohibited and it is not "reasonable" for a member of the public to fear a handgun openly carried in a holster, thus police are never justified in terry stopping etc. anybody open carrying merely for doing so.

Laws generally prohibit activities, instead of expressly allowing them. THere is no law in my state "allowing" open carry, but since it is not prohibited, it is allowed - w/o a permit. It took case law to firmly establish that somebody's irrational fear no more justifies police contact than their fear that a minority is in their neighborhood, or two men are walking down the street holding hands.

Of course we don't know what actually happened in this case, and without a copy of the police report, a PC certification or something more reliable, it sounds like a poorly written mishmash to me.

[PavePusher]

9. Looks like he was legal...

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/maine.pdf

http://www.opencarry.org/maps.html

I think the police may be open to a charge of Civil Rights violation. Oops.

And the O.P. may be open to a charge of ignorance, and biased credulity. Oops.



yup

[WatsonT]

14. "And the O.P. may be open to a charge of ignorance, and biased credulity"

Is there some sort of 3 strike rule for this? Because this guy is definitely a repeat offender.

He may be looking at life this time.

[PavePusher]

31. Some things you just can't cure. n/t

[Katya Mullethov]

33. Catch and release

Just like in the real world . Each opinion and heartfelt belief is a special little flower .

[jpak]

16. Looks like you are wrong - the police did the right thing

Yup

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. Not if Clendenning was acting within the law. Which brings up a question:

In your opinion, which brand of boot polish tastes best?

[rl6214]

34. Get back to us when he is actually convicted of something

until then he is innocent until proven guilty.

[Ken_Fish]

37. Did he have a Maine CCW or not. If not, he broke the law if he concealed.

so fine criminal. Better get used to OC and CCW 50 state reciprocity laws. It is on the way.

[RamboLiberal]

38. Wow - story is from January

How far back are we going to find these stories?????

Here's the conclusion to the story.

Bangor - A teenager from Bangor pleaded guilty Wednesday to carrying a concealed weapon in a restaurant.

19-year-old Alex Clendenning was fined $500.

http://www.wabi.tv/news/17950/teen-fined-for-concealed-gun-in-restaurant

[old mark]

39. I have NEVER brought a gun into a Denny's...but last time I went to IHOP,

I was carrying. Last time I went to Walmart, too. Even to the bank.

mark