Illinois Democrat sponsors legislation to limit local government gun regulating power

[TPaine7]

In addition to his conceal and carry measure this spring, state Rep. Brandon Phelps (D-Harrisburg) is also sponsoring legislation that will help ease restrictions on gun owners by making the state the sole regulator of the ownership and possession of firearms in Illinois.

"I feel that the rights of gun owners are too often challenged by local governments, where the main goal is to take away the rights of gun owners in the state of Illinois," said Phelps, whose 118th District includes about half of White County.

...

House Bill 142 would amend the Firearms Owners Identification Card Act to make regulation of the possession and ownership of firearms, ammunition, and other components the exclusive power and responsibility of the state. Under this proposed measure, local governments would not be able to impose restrictions other than those that are required by the Firearms Owners Identification Card Act. Local governments would no longer be able to require the additional registration of firearms, ammunition, or gun owners, as a condition of possession or ownership. All current municipal gun codes and ordinances that do impose restrictions would become void.

Source: http://www.carmitimes.com/area_news/x1055396553/Phelps-sponsors-legislation-to-limit-local-regulation-of-firearms

It's only a matter of time until Chicago and DC are reigned in. Being totally stripped of power to regulate on the subject, given both city's unlawful and outrageous abuses, would be appropriate if overdue.

It's good to see a Democrat standing up for the people against a thug like Daley and a corrupt anti-constitutional enclave like Chicago.

[HankyDubs]

1. by this you mean

"It's only a matter of time until Chicago and DC are reigned in."

By which you mean...the people living in these cities should have no right to impose restrictions that they think are reasonable.

Blubbering about duhr cawnstertwoshin while celebrating the notion that disenfranchising people is a good thing.

[Bold Lib]

4. "duhr cawnstertwoshin"???? Spell check is your friend.

[Katya Mullethov]

5. It guarantees certain freedumbs .

To some .

[Callisto32]

30. It's just a God-damned piece of paper, anyway, right.

Whoever is holding the reins of power NOW should have total, unfettered ability to force upon the rest of the population anything said power-holders will.

It's okay, you apparently didn't get the memo that "law" in "rule of law" has been amended to "arbitrary dictate."

[Bold Lib]

32. I think you may be responding to the wrong person.

[Callisto32]

37. It was early.

I should refrain from posting before a certain hour.

I apparently tried to respond to 2 people, and ended up responding to neither.

[Callisto32]

38. Clarification

This was intended to be a sarcastic response to the original post that purposely misspelled "constitution" combined with a jab at the same post by "informing" Bold Lib that he missed the fictional memo apparently received by HankyDubs.

[rl6214]

45. It's just another idiot

thinking he's cool.

[TPaine7]

12. Of course...

By which you mean...the people living in these cities should have no right to impose restrictions that they think are reasonable.

Of course.

People who want to suppress free speech, institute official religions, enact unreasonable searches and seizures, ban keeping and carrying arms, stop free association, or otherwise violate the Constitution actually have no right to impose their will on other people. They should be stripped of all authority to govern the minority population who want to freely exercise their rights. By trying to strip rights, they have proven themselves incompetent.

Yes, tyrannies should be "disenfranchised," whether they are individuals or overwhelming majorities.

Not being able to spell is one thing; not understanding this basic American idea is really pitiful.

[guitar man]

17. In other words

"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper!!"

Hmm... I wonder where we've heard that before... :eyes:

[hack89]

19. Are you a "states right" kind of guy when it comes to civil rights?

you support the right of states or cities to have their own laws concerning abortion or gay rights?

[MicaelS]

20. Absolutely....

The people living in these cities should have no right to impose restrictions that they think are reasonable...

On abortion, on contraception, on free speech, on the RKBA. Just to name a few.

[DonP]

21. Excellent George Wallace imitation - he agreed with local rule too

... just like you do. He had different civil rights issues he wanted to make the call on, to give his citizens what he was sure they wanted, but the same approach you suggest.

Didn't work for him, won't work for you either.

[lawodevolution]

23. None of the gun laws on the books were writen by normal citizens and voted for by normal citizens

they are passed without a vote by the people. So if the state is going to limit government power, I'm all for that.

[Callisto32]

29. Yes, that is correct.

51 per cent of the population does not have the right to control the other 49.

[armueller2001]

34. +1000000

The bill of rights is there to prevent tyranny of the majority.

[Bold Lib]

2. I wonder if this is intended to stop the current lawsuit against Chicago?

After McDonald Chicago loaded up their laws with everything they could find to make owning a gun as hard as possible. Many gun rights folks were happy to have one lawsuit that would affectively void so many gun laws across the whole U.S.

[bowens43]

3. has the whole fucking world gone insane??????

the last thing we need is easier access to guns. This man is NOT a Democrat and he is NOT standing up for the people. He is standing up for the gun industry.

This pathetic. What the fuck has happened to the Democratic party?

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Actually, state pre-emption is pretty normal around the country.

You consider Washington State a blue state, yes? Well, we have it. Not been a disaster for us.

[Euromutt]

27. Even California has state pre-emption (n/t)

[Porterhouse]

7. So what your saying is that Democrats should be for more gun control?

That's a really brilliant strategy, like in 1994. Hell, I've got an idea, why don't we just hand the reins of gov. to the repukes because that's what will happen if anti's like you prevail.

[HankyDubs]

8. oh please

if we hand over the democratic party to the NRA and the blue dogs we might as well hand it over to republicans.

[Porterhouse]

9. So you think that the Democratic Party should support more gun control

Once again, it cost us dearly in 94,besides, whats wrong with having the state be the sole arbiter of gun laws?

[HankyDubs]

10. this is oft repeated

as many falsehoods are...but I never saw much evidence that the AWB was the sole reason for defeats in 1994. Was the AWB the reason we lost this last election?

"whats wrong with having the state be the sole arbiter of gun laws?"

Because self-determination is a good thing. Yup, even people living in cities should have the right to pass legislation that makes their communities safer.

[armueller2001]

11. Would you agree with

Local communities allowing slavery or banning womens suffrage?

[Euromutt]

28. I think HankyDubs would respond that such measures do not serve to make communities safer

But, of course, that raises the question whether local governments should be able to impose restrictions on freedom of speech, or of the press (can't have people saying dangerous things, after all), or the right to peaceably assemble (that might lead to unsafe situations), or refuse to recognize domestic partnerships, civil unions and/or marriages between members of the same sex (which, according to some people, threatens to undermine the moral fabric of society, and that would be dangerous).

I do have to marvel at the mental acrobatics required to say that "self-determination is a good thing" while advocating the restriction of civil liberties and people's ability to protect their own life and limb (loss of life or limb being a severe impairment to self-determination).

[Porterhouse]

13. So your saying that Bill Clinton is lying

Because, in his book, My Life, he said the AWB was a major reason that the pubs took control of Congress.

[RSillsbee]

14. You are absolutely right

even people living in cities should have the right to pass legislation that makes their communities safer.

And of course we all know how much safer Chicago is w/ the gun ban

[X_Digger]

15. How about hearing it from Clinton himself?

"Just before the House vote (on the crime bill), Speaker Tom Foley and majority leader Dick Gephardt had made a last-ditch appeal to me to remove the assault weapons ban from the bill. They argued that many Democrats who represented closely divided districts had already...defied the NRA once on the Brady bill vote. They said that if we made them walk the plank again on the assault weapons ban, the overall bill might not pass, and that if it did, many Democrats who voted for it would not survive the election in November. Jack Brooks, the House Judiciary Committee chairman from Texas, told me the same thing...Jack was convinced that if we didn't drop the ban, the NRA would beat a lot of Democrats by terrifying gun owners....Foley, Gephardt, and Brooks were right and I was wrong. The price...would be heavy casualties among its defenders." (Pages 611-612)

"On November 8, we got the living daylights beat out of us, losing eight Senate races and fifty-four House seats, the largest defeat for our party since 1946....The NRA had a great night. They beat both Speaker Tom Foley and Jack Brooks, two of the ablest members of Congress, who had warned me this would happen. Foley was the first Speaker to be defeated in more than a century. Jack Brooks had supported the NRA for years and had led the fight against the assault weapons ban in the House, but as chairman of the Judiciary Committee he had voted for the overall crime bill even after the ban was put into it. The NRA was an unforgiving master: one strike and you're out. The gun lobby claimed to have defeated nineteen of the twenty-four members on its hit list. They did at least that much damage...." (Pages 629-630)

"One Saturday morning, I went to a diner in Manchester full of men who were deer hunters and NRA members. In impromptu remarks, I told them that I knew they had defeated their Democratic congressman, Dick Swett, in 1994 because he voted for the Brady bill and the assault weapons ban. Several of them nodded in agreement." (Page 699)

--William J. Clinton, My Life

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[mediator]

54. How about communities that pass laws saying "negroes must leave town before sunset"?

You obviously think those would be just dandy.
:grr:

[AtheistCrusader]

33. The NRA is a single-issue entity.

It has no voice on sex education, or abortion, or taxes, or any of the myriad other issues we fight daily against the right with with.

One issue, and one issue only. I don't think the NRA's stance on personal firearms ownership is inconsistent with progressive philosophy.

[spin]

16. "Shall Issue" carry is VERY common in the United States ...

If it actually were a problem at least one state that passed it into law would have repealed it.

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[X_Digger]

22. Another self-appointed Zampolit. n/t

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. They treat guns and gun owners the way Bush treated dissent and dissenters:

People and things to be feared and hated, fought both legally and illegally, by hook or by crook, with a steady drumbeat of moral

panic mongering as soundtrack.

[HankyDubs]

40. i'd report this insult...

"Zampolit" but it just goes to prove my point about gungeoneers. Here's yet another gungeon poster referring to liberals as communists.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Zampolit

[X_Digger]

41. If you're going to attempt to put words in my mouth, at least wash your fingers..

"Historically, the commissaire politique (political commissary) first appeared in the French Revolution (1789–99), guarding it against anti-Revolutionary (ideological) thought and action, and so ensuring the Republican victory."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zampolit

[HankyDubs]

42. Ahem...

"Despite a French Republican origin, the political commissar usually is associated historically with the Soviet Union (1917–91), where the Russian Provisional Government of 1917 introduced them to the military forces to ensure the government’s political control. In the event, after the October Revolution, the political commissar remained in the Red Army until 1942."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zampolit

But as I said, I won't report this insult, since it proves my point.

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[HankyDubs]

44. It is reasonable to question

why a democrat would support the NRA, since the NRA is a right wing organization that features Ted Nugent shrieking "Marxist" as well as $arah Palin and Glenn Beck at its national meetings. I give credit to those gun owners and gungeon posters who recognize this obvious fact.

Again, I would never report this insult since it supports my point. Why would I want to have it deleted? Gungeoneers like to stifle their opponents by reporting their posts, but I believe in the right of pro-gun posters to express themselves.

[X_Digger]

46. And now an association fallacy..

..and hitler was a vegetarian.

The NRA is a single issue organization. They support anyone who supports the second amendment. But we've been over this before..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=375017#375985

Need I remind you of this list?

(D) Howard Dean (D) Mark L. Doumit,(D) Jim Hargrove, (D) Jean Berkey, (D)Brian Hatfield, (D) Brian Blake, (D) William 'Ike' Eickmeyer, (D) Joe Baca, (D) Mike Schneider, (D) Barbara Buckley, (D)Genie Ohrenschall,(D) Ellen Koivisto, (D) John Oceguera, (D) Jerry D. Claborn, (D)Richard D. Perkins, (D) Mo Denis, (D) David Parks, (D) James Alexander, (D) Gino White, (D)Wendy Jaquet, (D) Mike McGrath, (D) Jim Elliott, (D) Lane L. Larson, (D) Kim Gillan, (D) Paul Clark, (D)Brennan Ryan,(D)George Golie, (D) Bill Wilson, (D) John W. Parker,(D) Margarett H. Campbell, (D) Ralph L. Lenhart, (D) Gary Matthews, (D) Monica J. Lindeen, (D)Gary L. Forrester, (D) Jayne Mockler, (D) Larry Caller, (D) Keith Goodenough, (D) Ross Diercks, (D)George W. Bagby,(D)Marty Martin, (D)Ann Robinson,(D) *Mary Meyer Gilmore, (D) Bill Thompson, (D) Jim Matheson, (D)Mike Dmitrich, (D) Eli H. Anderson,(D)Laren "Larry" C. Livingston, (D) Carl Duckworth, (D) Brad King, (D)Linda Aguirre, (D) Marsha Arzberger, (D)Pete Campos, (D)Shannon Robinson, (D)Mary Kay Papen, (D)Phil Griego,(D)Patricia Lundstrom, (D)Dona Irwin, (D)Andrew Nunez, (D) Joseph Cervantes, (D)Pauline Ponce, (D)Thomas Swisstack, (D)Bob Hagedorn,(D)Lois Tochtrop, (D) Liane "Buffie" McFadyen, (D)Max Sandlin, (D)Nick Lampson, (D) Henry Cuellar, (D) Mark Homer, (D) Chuck Hopson, (D) Jim McReynolds, (D) Robby Cook, (D) Dan Ellis, (D)Patrick M. Rose, (D) John Mabry, (D) David Farabee, (D) James "Pete" Laney, (D) Mike Villarreal, (D) Kevin Bailey, (D) Dan Boren, (D) Jim Wilson, (D) *Jeff Rabon, (D)Richard Lerblance, (D)Susan Paddack, (D) Charlie Laster, (D) Mike Morgan, (D) Jerry Ellis, (D)Glen "Bud" Smithson, (D)Neil Brannon, (D) Mike Brown, (D)Joe Eddins, (D) Ben Sherrer, (D)Barbara Staggs, (D)Ray Miller,(D) Terry Harrison, (D)Paul Roan, (D) John Carey, (D) Dale Turner,(D) Bob Plunk, (D) John Young, (D) Danny Morgan, (D) Joe Sweeden,(D) Terry Hyman, (D) Raymond McCarter, (D)David Braddock, (D) James Covey, (D) Purcy Walker, (D) Abe Deutschendorf, (D) Roy "Butch" Hooper, (D) *Joe Dorman, (D)Lucky Lamons, (D) Darrell Gilbert, (D) John Auffet, (D) *Debbie Blackburn, (D)Rebecca Hamilton, (D)Al Lindley, (D) Mark Gilstrap, (D)Chris Steineger, (D) Jim Barone,(D) Anthony Hensley, (D) Henry Helgerson, (D) Doug Gatewood, (D)Robert Grant, (D) Bill Feuerborn, (D) Jerry Williams, (D) James Miller,(D) Bonnie Sharp, (D) Tom Burroughs, (D) Margaret Long, (D)Candy Ruff,
(D) Harold Lane, (D) Jerry Henry, (D) Sid Regnier, (D) Jim Ward, (D) Janice Pauls, (D) Dennis Mckinney, (D)Stephanie Herseth, (D)Jim Peterson, (D) Gil Koetzle, (D) Garry Moore, (D) Frank Kloucek, (D) David Sigdestad, (D) Dawn Jaeger, (D) Gerald Lange, (D) Richard Engels, (D) Mary Glenski, (D) Gary Stodelmon, (D) Dale Hargens, (D) Paul Valandra, (D) Thomas James Van Norman, (D) Mike Wilson, (D) David O'Connell, (D) Larry Robinson, (D)Joel Heitkamp, (D) Dorvan Solberg, (D) Lyle Hanson, (D)Joe Kroeber, (D) Ole Aarsvold, (D)Ralph Metcalf, (D) Arden Anderson, (D) Bill Amerman, (D)Pam Gulleson, (D) Collin Peterson, (DFL) Kent Eken, (DFL) Loren A. Solberg, (DFL) Tom Rukavina, (DFl) Anthony "Tony" Setich, (DFL) David Dill, (DFL) Paul Marquart, (DFL) Mary Ellen Otremba, (DFL) Al Juhnke, (DFL) Lyle Koenen, (D) Leonard Boswell, (D) John Kibbie, (D)Dick Dearden, (D)Eugene Fraise, (D) Michael Gronstal, (D) Greg Stevens, (D) Marcella Frevert, (D) Dolores Mertz, (D) Roger Thomas, (D) Dick Taylor, (D) Geri Huser, (D) Jim Lykam, (D) Philip Wise, (D) Kurt Swaim, (D) Paul Shomshor, (D) Ike Skelton, (D) Victor Callahan, (D) Jim Whorton, (D) Rachel Bringer, (D)Wes Shoemyer, (D)Terry Witte, (D) Wayne Henke, (D) Thomas Green, (D) Gary Kelly, (D) Mike Sager, (D) Terry Young, (D) Ray Salva, (d)Paul LeVota, (D) Curt Dougherty, (D) Al Liese, (D) Allen Icet, (D) Tim Meadows, (D) Ron Casey, (D) Wes Wagner,(D) Harold Selby, (D) Belinda Harris, (D) Frank Barnitz, (D) J.C. Kuessner, (D) Terry Swinger, (D) Mike Ross, (D) Randy Laverty, (D) Jack Crichter,
(D)Jim Hill, (D) Jimmy Jeffres, (D)Gene Jeffress, (D) Percy Malone,
(D) Ken Cowling, (D) Robert Jeffrey, (D)Randy Rankin, (D) Lenville Evans, (D) Jay Bradford, (D)Scott Sullivan, (D) Dewayne Mack, (D)Bob Mathis,(D) Dawn Creekmore, (D) Dwight Fite, (D) Janet Johnson, (D) Sandra Prater, (D) Jeff Wood, (D)Will Bond, (D) Preston Scroggin,
(D)David Evans, (D) David Dunn, (D) Wayne Nichols,(D)Leroy Dangeau,
(D) Bill Stovall, (D) Charles Ormond, (D) Travis Boyd, (D) Dave Obey,
(D)Roger Breske, (D )Robert W. Wirch, (D) Julie Lassa, (D) Terry Van Akkeren, (D) John P. Steinbrink, (D ) Amy Sue Vruwink, (D) Marlin D. Schneider, (D)Barbara Gronemus, (D) Jerry Costello, (D) Pat Welch,
(D)William Haine, (D)Gary Forby, (D) Jack Franks, (D) Mike Boland,
(D)Patrick Verschoore, (D)Careen Gordon,(D)Frank Mautino, (D)Lisa Dugan, (D) Michael Smith, (D) Gary Hannig, (D) Robert Flider, (D) Kurt Granberg, (D) Bill Grunloh, (D)Steve Davis,(D)Jay Hoffman, (D) Thomas Holbrook, (D) Dan Reitz, (D) John Bradley, (D) Brandon Phelps,
(D)Gene Taylor, (D) Bud Cramer, (D) Sanford Bishop, (D) Tim Golden,
(D)Michael S. Meyer Von Bremen, (D) Steve Thompson, (D) Valencia Seay, (D)Steve Henson, (D) Mike Snow, (D) Barbara Massey Reece, (D) Buddy Childers, (D) Bill Cummings, (D) Jeanette Jamieson, (D) Don Wix, (D) *Stephanie Stuckey Benfield, (D) Hugh Floyd, (D) R. M. Channell, (D) Curtis S. Jenkins, (D) Lee Howell, (D) Robert F. Ray, (D) Bobby Eugene Parham, (D) Jimmy Lord, (D) Dubose Porter, (D) Johnny W. Floyd, (D) Greg Morris, (D) Penny Houston, (D) Ellis Black, (D) Ron Borders, (D) Jay Shaw, (D) Hinson Mosley, (D) Allen Boyd,
(D) Will S. Kendrick, (D) Dwight Stansel, (D) Sheri Mcinvale, (D) Lincoln Davis, (D) Jim Cooper, (D) Bart Gordon, (D) John Tanner, (D ) Tommy Kilby, (D ) Jerry W. Cooper , (D ) Jo Ann Graves, (D ) Rosalind Kurita,(D) Roy Herron, (D ) John S. Wilder, Sr., (D ) Harry Tindell, (D) Dennis Ferguson, (D ) Jim Hackworth, (D ) George Fraley, (D ) Frank Buck, (D ) John Mark Windle, (D ) Jere L. Hargrove, (D ) Charles Curtiss, (D ) Mike McDonald, (D) Stratton Bone, (D) Michael L. Turner, (D ) Ben West, Jr., (D ) Curt Cobb, (D ) Joe Fowlkes,(D) Eugene E. (Gene) Davidson, (D) David A. Shepard, (D) John C. Tidwell, (D ) Willie (Butch) Borchert, (D) Mark L. Maddox, (D) Phillip Pinion, (D) Craig Fitzhugh, (D) Ben Chandler, (D) Dennis L. Null, (D) Joey Pendleton, (D) Walter "Doc" Blevins, (D) Johnny Ray Turner, (D) Ray S. JonesII, (D) Denise Harper Angel,
(D ) Charles Geveden, (D) Fred Nesler, (D) Frank Rasche, (D) Mike Cherry, (D) *J.R. Gray, (D) *John A. Arnold JR., (D) *James E. Bruce, (D) *Joseph E. "EDDIE" Ballard, (D) Gross Clay Lindsay, (D) *Jim Gooch JR, (D)Tommy Thompson, (D) Brent Yonts, (D) Dottie J. Sims, (D) Jody Richards, (D) Rogers Thomas, (D) Rob Wilkey, (D) Jimmie Lee, (D) James H. Thompson, (D) Steve Riggs, (D) Perry B. Clark, (D) Robert R. Damron, (D) Rick W. Rand, (D) Royce W. Adams,(D) Charlie Hoffman, (D) Arnold R. Simpson, (D) Mitchel B. "Mike" Denham, (D) John Will Stacy, (D) Carolyn Belcher, (D) Don Pasley, (D) Adrian K. Arnold,(D)Susan Westrom, (D) Harry Moberly JR, (D) Rick Nelson, (D) Ted "TEDDY" Edmonds,(D)Ancel Smith, (D) W. Keith Hall, (D) Charles "CHUCK" Meade, (D) Robin L. Webb, (D) Hubert Collins , (D) Tanya Pullin, (D) Rocky Adkins, (D) Baron Hill , (D) Craig Fry, (D) Patrick Bauer, (D) Thomas Kromkowski, (D) Scott Pelath, (D) Dan Stevenson, (D) Chester Dobis, (D) Robert Kuzman, (D) Joe Micon, (D) Sheila Klinker, (D) Ron Herrell, (D) Ron Liggett, (D) Tiny Adams, (D) Terri Jo Austin, (D) Scott Reske, (D) Dale Grubb, (D) Clyde Kersey, (D) Alan Chowning, (D) Phil Pflum, (D) Peggy Welch, (D) Jerry Denbo, (D) Dave Crooks, (D) John Gregory Frenz A, (D) Terry Goodin, (D) Robert Bischoff, (D) Markt Lytle, (D) Paul Robertson, (D) James Bottorff, (D) William Cochran, (D) Dennie Oxley, (D) Russ Stilwell, (D) Dennis Avery, (D) Trent VanHaaften, (D) Win Moses Jr., (D) Ted Strickland, (D) Kimberly Zurz, (D) Charlie Wilson (D) Marc Dann, (D) Kenneth Carano, (D) John Boccieri, (D) William Hartnett, (D) Derrick Seaver, (D) Todd Book, (D) John Domenick, (D) L. George Distel, (D) John Dingell, (D) John J. Gleason, (D) Doug Bennett, (D) Jennifer Elkins, (D) Matt Gillard, (D) Stephen Adamini, (D) Rich Brown,

[HankyDubs]

48. association fallacy?

Maybe you should look the term up. We are talking about sponsorship, not mere association.

It's not a fallacy to state that the NRA provides a forum for Glenn Beck, $arah Palin and Ted Nugent to push a red-baiting agenda that is not connected directly to gun issues. It's just a fact. The NRA is a right wing organization, it is reasonable to question why a democrat would give money to this right wing organization.

And need I remind you that this list is provided without any context, nor is the list even available for anyone to check on its accuracy.

[X_Digger]

49. Yes, an association fallacy..

The NRA gives money to candidates of any party.

Here's the (D)s from the 2010 cycle..

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00053553&cycle=2010


House:
Altmire, Jason (D-PA)...............$9,900
Arcuri, Michael (D-NY)..............$2,000
Baca, Joe (D-CA)....................$3,000
Barrow, John (D-GA).................$9,900
Berry, Marion (D-AR)................$1,500
Bishop, Sanford D Jr (D-GA).........$7,600
Boccieri, John A (D-OH).............$6,100
Boren, Dan (D-OK)...................$4,950
Boswell, Leonard L (D-IA)...........$7,950
Boucher, Rick (D-VA)................$5,950
Boyd, Allen (D-FL)..................$9,900
Bright, Bobby (D-AL)...............$10,050
Cardoza, Dennis (D-CA)..............$4,950
Carney, Chris (D-PA)................$8,600
Chandler, Ben (D-KY)................$7,950
Childers, Travis W (D-MS)...........$6,950
Costello, Jerry F (D-IL)............$2,000
Critz, Mark (D-PA)..................$2,500
Cuellar, Henry (D-TX)...............$2,150
Davis, Lincoln (D-TN)...............$9,900
Dingell, John D (D-MI)..............$7,950
Donnelly, Joe (D-IN)................$6,950
Edwards, Chet (D-TX)................$6,950
Gordon, Bart (D-TN).................$1,000
Green, Gene (D-TX)..................$2,000
Halvorson, Deborah (D-IL)...........$5,950
Heinrich, Martin (D-NM).............$2,000
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (D-SD)...$7,450
Higgins, Brian M (D-NY).............$1,000
Hill, Baron (D-IN)..................$6,950
Holden, Tim (D-PA)..................$9,900
Jones, Vernon (D-GA)................$1,500
Jordan, James D (R-OH)..............$3,000
Kagen, Steve (D-WI).................$8,950
Kanjorski, Paul E (D-PA)............$7,450
Kind, Ron (D-WI)....................$2,000
Kissell, Larry (D-NC)...............$9,900
Kratovil, Frank M Jr (D-MD).........$9,900
Marshall, Jim (D-GA)................$6,950
Matheson, Jim (D-UT)................$5,000
McIntyre, Mike (D-NC)...............$6,950
Mollohan, Alan B (D-WV).............$4,950
Murphy, Scott (D-NY)................$2,500
Murtha, John P (D-PA)...............$2,500
Nye, Glenn (D-VA)...................$5,100
Obey, David R (D-WI)................$3,500
Ortiz, Solomon P (D-TX).............$2,000
Owens, Bill (D-NY)..................$2,000
Perriello, Tom (D-VA)...............$5,950
Peterson, Collin C (D-MN)...........$1,500
Pomeroy, Earl (D-ND)................$4,500
Rahall, Nick (D-WV).................$6,950
Ross, Mike (D-AR)...................$5,000
Ryan, Tim (D-OH)....................$3,000
Salazar, John (D-CO)................$3,000
Shuler, Heath (D-NC)................$8,450
Skelton, Ike (D-MO).................$6,950
Space, Zachary T (D-OH).............$9,900
Stupak, Bart (D-MI).................$1,000
Taylor, Gene (D-MS).................$4,500
Walz, Timothy J (D-MN)..............$3,000
Wilson, Charlie (D-OH)..............$6,100
Total: $335,700

Senate:
Dorgan, Byron L (D-ND)..............$2,500
Ellsworth, Brad (D-IN)..............$9,900
Manchin, Joe (D-WV).................$4,950
Reid, Harry (D-NV)..................$4,950
Total: $22,300


Why would a 'right-wing organization' give ~$350,000 to Democratic candidates?


eta: actually, it gets better.. I'll update this post (or append to it) the independent expenditures.. ie, they gave an additional $10,346 to Jason Altmire.

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52. Would the RNC give 1/3 of their house donations to Democrats?

Your talking point, it is broken.

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53. Still waiting.. *taps foot* ... *whistling*.. n/t

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51. More $$$

Altmire, Jason..............$10,346
Boren, Dan...................$8,175
Boyd, Allen.................$14,377
Cardoza, Dennis..............$4,322
Childers, Travis W...........$4,518
Davis, Lincoln...............$6,539
Dingell, John D..............$3,626
Halvorson, Deborah...........$4,216
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie...$8,711
Hill, Baron....................$850
Holden, Tim..................$8,594
Kilroy, Mary Jo................$595
Lentz, Bryan...................$595
Matheson, Jim................$8,704
Mollohan, Alan B.............$6,675
Murray, Patty................$6,706
Rahall, Nick.................$2,591
Ross, Mike...................$6,627
Shuler, Heath...............$23,161
Skelton, Ike.................$8,796
Space, Zachary T.............$4,610
Strickland, Ted.............$25,143
Taylor, Gene.................$3,201
Total: $171,618



That makes over half a million to candidates with a (D) behind their name.

"right wing" my ass.

[PavePusher]

55. You don't have to be a communist to ape some of their actions.

No accusation intended, just a statement of fact.

[HankyDubs]

57. I'm a democratic socialist

Not really into red-baiting.

Stalin and Mao, to use two examples, are illustrations of fundamental flaws in Marx's theory of history, but these examples do not in themselves destroy all socialist ideas and contributions. Marx thought that the first countries to become socialist would be Britain, Germany and the US, because he thought that people in industrial nations would be the first to embrace socialism. Fundamentally, Marx was pro-democracy and instinctively believed that the will of the people would eventually vindicate him.

He was obviously wrong about this belief, socialism sprung up in countries that were mostly agrarian and had been ruled by monarchies for many centuries. The communist parties (most called themselves socialist actually) that grew up in these countries came to closely resemble the monarchies. There wasn't a worldwide democratic revolution, as Marx had hoped for, but just a changing of the guard. Take a look at north korea, which calls itself socialist but is actually just a hereditary monarchy. That is marx's nightmare, the polar opposite of the society he is talking about.

[PavePusher]

58. I never really bought into the meme of the USSR and China as "communist" nations.

They were/are totalitarian dictatorships with a very thin veil of "communism" to give legitimacy to corruption, mono-maniacal aristocracy and despotic depravity.

Just my opinion, of course...

[Callisto32]

31. You're not a REAL....

Is what is pathetic.

Try again when you have a cogent argument.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

39. Nothing...the Democratic party is pro civil rights and against autocratic rule

This move standardizes the rules throughout the state and stop petty tyrants like Daley.

[lawodevolution]

25. I'd love to see this pass.

[beevul]

35. An oldie but a goodie, that relates to certain sentiments in this thread.

"NRA Dems are just as bad as any other NRAer's or freepers"

That statement was made in another forum here at DU, in the context of an nra endorsed Democrat. Namely Doctor Dean. I thought it would be interesting to see what the folks "down here" in the gungeon think of it. Honestly, it made me pretty angry. This is exactly the kind of shit that turns voters away, IMO. I can just imagine how those inclined to paint ALL Dems as gun grabbers could run with it. How can this party get past the "idealogically pure on guns or your a freeper/nra'er/gun-nut" crowd?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=103881

Good for some chuckles.

[beevul]

36. Seems only right.

"Illinois Democrat sponsors legislation to limit local government gun regulating power"


A bunch of guys got together and did the same thing once, at the federal level.

[Euromutt]

47. And they called it the Fourteenth Amendment, right?

And it had such promise until the SCOTUS of the time gutted it in the Slaughterhouse case by ruling that the passage that said in so many words that state and local governments were bound to respect the Bill of Rights didn't actually mean what it said. Man, if I had a time machine I'd like to go back and bitch-slap every one of those dickheads.