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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 10:54 AM
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U.S. Justice Dept. says gun claim is bogus - repeat bogus
http://www.nogalesinternational.com/articles/2011/02/12/news/doc4d55b7c9b98c9415345713.txt

The U.S. Justice Department denied a claim made to lawmakers that two guns sold in purchases sanctioned by federal firearms agents were later used in a shootout that left a Border Patrol agent dead near the Arizona-Mexico border.

Assistant U.S. Attorney General Ronald Weich said in a letter obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press that the claim that firearms agents sanctioned or knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to straw buyers who then brought them to Mexico is false.

Such a claim was made about guns used by bandits in the Dec. 14 fatal shooting of Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry.

"ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico," Weich said in a letter to U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa.

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nevermind

bogus republic/Free Stater BS

yup
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 11:00 AM
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1. Right, uh huh, I believe anything the government tells me, especially
since it's their b*lls in a vice at the moment.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 11:02 AM
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2. Republican/Free Stater anti-gummint lies are bogus
repeat

bogus

Yup
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 08:59 PM
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3. Do you believe everything the government tells you?
Or just when it talks about guns?
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Porterhouse Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 09:03 PM
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4. Now you know
that anything that is anti gun is like the holy grail to this person.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 09:45 PM
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5. No man behind the curtain.. that ideas is bogus - repeat bogus - bogus, I say! n/t
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-11 09:54 PM
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6. Educate yourself.
We already KNOW that two of the three guns recovered at the scene were sold and were being tracked by ATF.

We already KNOW the serial numbers of two of the three guns in question.


And we have the word of ATF agents themselves:

We (the field) have formally, officially and sometimes unofficially attempted to encourage Director Melson, DD Hoover and their predecessors to restore the integrity of the agency. We have asked them to demand leadership from our executives, and to control and reign in Chief Counsels Office and corrupt and unethical practices. So here we are. Mr. Melson can no longer pretend to be in charge or have ANY say so in our Agency's future. Mr. Traver sits silent as if he has NO IDEA any of this is going on. So what happens? EXACTLY what is supposed to happen, Congressional oversight.

1. Fact; Mr. Melson chose not or was told not to respond to a U.S. Senator with DIRECT impact on our agencys future.

2. Fact; The allegation Sen. Grassley references is not false and Mr. Melson and Newell have publicly admitted it in their press conference. We did know, we didnt "interdict or prevent this from happening. We NEVER let guns walk. That has been our mantra since we became a Bureau.

3. Fact; ATF DIDNT make every effort to "interdict" these guns or they WOULD HAVE been interdicted. We have been interdicting guns for 40 years. We know what that is Mr. Melson. PS, we dont withold information regarding potential guns hitting the streets from our sister agencys. Not even if they are MEXICAN.Those guys are goin toe to toe with the worst we've ever seen and you dont TRUST them? Stop the "legal word games". The nature of a straw purchase makes it inherintly illegal if we have information regarding the purchaser (which we did). Stop acting or attempting to convince Congress or the public that because at face value a person is not prohibited that we CANT do anything because this particular gun is not contraband. There are a bunch of successful trafficking groups in Atlanta and New York that DO interdict guns everyday. Its called doing our job.

4. Fact; No Project gunner doesnt focus on straw purchasers, THAT IS THE POINT.


6. Fact; ATF and Mr. Melson have totally retaliated against ANY agent who demands leadership, NOT JUST IN THIS MATTER. Do the math. Release the DSZ disbursements. Exposes the smoke and mirror bad faith mediations and the wasted MILLIONS of dollars of DOJ money spents defending your indefensible abuses against SA Jay Dobyns and others.

http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/179-fox-news-senator-calls-atf-on-allegations-agency-is-allowing-guns-into-mexico/<

Heck, hes just an ATF agent, he doesn't know what hes talking about, right?

bogus republic/Free Staters those ATF?

:rofl:

Yup.
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