Reno Gun show agreement.

[russ1943]

The Big Reno Show has toughened its rules on
background checks after a 2009 investigation in
Nevada revealed illegal sales at gun shows, the New
York City mayor's office reported Monday.

Louis Fascio, the Reno show's promoter, signed an
agreement in May stating that it would require
background checks for all gun sales, develop a tag
or bracelet system so security knows the check was
done and kick out any vendors who violate the
rules.




http://www.rgj.com/article/20110201/NEWS/102010340/1321/news

[shadowrider]

1. Somebody needs to go film an illegal gun buy in NYC and tell Bloomy

to clean his own house first.

[Hangingon]

3. I just looked at the calendar for gun shows in New York state.

There are a bunch of them. Wonder if Bloomberg has sent spies to any of their shows.

[shadowrider]

4. And point out stuff like that happens right there? Are you kidding?

It makes for better press to do it in other states and keep the spotlight off of NY.

[RamboLiberal]

5. And I bet those shows follow the law

Be stupid for them to be shut down or lose their venue for not obeying NY State Law.

ALL FEDERAL AND NEW YORK STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS WILL BE FOLLOWED!!!

UNDER NEW YORK LAW ALL SALES MUST BE DONE THROUGH AN FFL WITH A FIREARMS FORM ATF F 4473 FILLED OUT AND A BACKGROUND OR NICS CHECK DONE. AN FFL WILL BE PROVIDED TO SUPPLY THE BACKGROUND CHECK FOR A FEE FOR NON-FFLS WHO HAVE A TABLE.

IF YOU ARE NOT AN FFL AND BRING A GUN TO THE SHOW TO SELL YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSFER THE GUN IN THE PARKING LOT OR AT ANOTHER LOCATION!!! IF YOU DO SO YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO ARREST EVEN IF BOTH YOU AND THE BUYER CAN LEGALLY OWN THE GUN!

ANY PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY VIOLATES ANY OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR

http://users.erols.com/fasttrack/loc/mid/MIDDLETOWN.htm

NOTE

IF YOU BRING A GUN TO SELL

ALL FEDERAL AND NEW YORK STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS WILL BE FOLLOWED!!! IF YOU VIOLATE THE LAW YOU WILL BE ARRESTED AND YOU PUT THE GUNSHOW AT RISK OF BEING SHUT DOWN!!

UNDER NEW YORK LAW ALL SALES MUST BE DONE THROUGH AN FFL WITH A FIREARMS FORM ATF F 4473 FILLED OUT AND A BACKGROUND OR NICS CHECK DONE.

IF YOU BRING A GUN TO THE SHOW TO SELL YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSFER THE GUN IN THE PARKING LOT OR AT ANOTHER LOCATION!!! IF YOU DO SO YOU WILL BE SUBJECT TO ARREST EVEN IF BOTH YOU AND THE BUYER CAN LEGALLY OWN THE GUN!

ANY PERSON WHO KNOWINGLY VIOLATES ANY OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR
Two people were arrested at the May, 2005 gun show.

We don't want this to happen again!!!

http://www.ocshooters.com/Gen/gunshows.htm

[PavePusher]

15. I'm confused.

Is it only a requirement at gun shows? Are private sales by non-dealers, without an NICS check, legal away from gun shows?

[RamboLiberal]

24. Depends on the state law

For instance in my homestate PA all handguns have to go through NICS and if bought out of state shipped to an PA FFL. Rifles and shotguns can be private and I can buy out of state.

[PavePusher]

25. My apologies, I was asking specifically for NY state and wasn't clear. n/t

[RamboLiberal]

29. From what I can find all exibitors at gun shows have to send

buyers through NICS. And any New York resident buying a handgun has to have a permit for that gun. Looks like outside gun shows & New York City that rifles & shotgun private sales are legal and don't have to go through NICS.

[PavePusher]

31. Ah, thanks. n/t

[Cirque du So-What]

7. Your message being...

as long as there's a single place where illegal guns can be purchased, the system is tainted beyond redemption, so why bother trying to enforce laws on the books anywhere?

[shadowrider]

8. My message being, Bloomy needs to clean his own house before he meddles in other states n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. Let's do both.

Any where, any place, any time.

NV, NY, anywhere violations take place.

[SteveM]

21. Curious unintended consequence could occur:

If you require somehow a NICS verification of all purchases at gun shows, the thugs who want guns (some 3% purchase at gun shows!) will head for the car trunks in the alley. At least at gun shows, the cops can hang around, take license plates, flag potential straw purchases, and occasionally pick up a felon. Car trunks? Not so much, unless you believe in the marijuana fairy.

[SteveM]

18. What? And hang around in the cold night filming car trunks?

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Let's clean every house that need cleaning.

No matter who owns it or where it is.

[Tejas]

6. "That sale was blatantly illegal"

The purchases were made even after the undercover buyers told the sellers that they probably wouldn't pass a background check, Bloomberg said. He showed several videos of the sales done through private sellers, including a similar Glock 19 and a high-capacity magazine allegedly used by 22-year-old Jared Loughner in Tucson, Ariz.
"That sale was blatantly illegal, but it happens all the time," Bloomberg said of the Arizona video footage captured at the Phoenix gun show after the deadly shootings. "We have demonstrated how easy it is for anyone to buy a semi-automatic handgun and a high-capacity magazine, no questions asked."



I don't understand what was illegal about that sale. Are private sales in Nevada illegal?

Will the Reno show prohibit private individuals from walking in with a firearm for sale? When will Bloomberg attempt this in Texas, would love to see the local Sheriff escort his cronies out of the building.

[Hoopla Phil]

10. So what do people with a C and R license do???

[slackmaster]

11. I order my C&R firearms through the Internet

They're delivered right to my home.

[Hoopla Phil]

12. You can do that but setting up a table at a gun show can bring in

some very good buys that you wont find on gun broker or J&G etc. You can also do some old fashioned trading and have a lot of fun in the process.

[slackmaster]

13. I can't do that in my state regardless of what happens in Reno

:argh:

[Hoopla Phil]

22. That's a real bummer. I've seen C & R's pick up a lot of cool stuff.

Artillery Brownings, baby brownings, various colt pocket pistols, etc. It is also the best place to find non-import stamped Lugars and other "war trophies".

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[ileus]

16. Self policing....that's the way it should be.

[RamboLiberal]

30. Yeah self policing worked real well with banks & Wall Street

Sorry, but I'm not a great believer in self-policing working when it comes to a money making industry.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. Washington Arms Collectors (washington state's principle gunshows)

Have been doing this since inception.

It works.

[Hoopla Phil]

20. How does it work for C & R licensed people?

They don't have access to NICS.

[ManiacJoe]

23. The background checks are not necessarily NICS.

Only members are allowed to participate in private sales of guns. To become a member you must go through a background check to confirm you meet all federal and state requirements for gun ownership. State issued concealed handgun permits qualify as a background check.

Dealers are still required to use NICS for all transactions regardless.

[jpak]

19. Illegal sales at gun shows? It can't happen

Gun dealers are all law abiding *responsible* citizens and would NEVER sell firearms to felons!

who writes these lies?

:rofl:

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Not everyone who sells guns at a show is a dealer. The more you know....

[Euromutt]

27. Who says "gun dealers are all law-abiding responsible citizens"?

I don't think anybody on this board has ever made that claim (but feel free to point me to an example if there is one), and the ATF has busted a certain number of Type 01 FFLs over the years who turned out to have been selling guns "off the books" and I don't think anybody has a problem with that (note that this is not the same as disapproving of the ATF trying to shut down some FFL for failing to ensure every 4473 had the buyer's county of residence filled out).

Tell me, do you ever actually address something someone else has actually said, or do you base your writings on what the little voices tell you other people say?

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Probably the same people that build your strawmen.