Palm Beach County commissioner pushing for statewide ban on selling extended ammunition clips (Fla.)

[shadowrider]

Florida should outlaw the sale of extended-size ammunition clips like those used in the Tucson shooting, Palm Beach County Commissioner Burt Aaronson said Friday.

Aaronson called for state lawmakers to prohibit the sale of ammunition clips that hold more than 10 bullets. Aaronson said he also will ask the County Commission to pass a local ban.

The shooter that on Jan. 8 killed six people and injured 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, used a Glock semi-automatic handgun with a high-capacity ammunition clip capable of holding more than 30 bullets.

"I don't see any reason for anybody in today's climate to be allowed to carry a gun with more than 10 bullets," said Aaronson, a Democrat who represents southern Palm Beach County. "How many people do you want to kill? … How much firepower do you need to protect yourself?"

Aaronson's surprise proposal was first met with silence by the collection of Democratic and Republican state lawmakers at Friday's meeting of Palm Beach County's state legislative delegation.

But after the meeting in Palm Beach Gardens, new state Rep. Lori Berman agreed to add the ban to legislation she is proposing for the spring Legislative session. Friday was the deadline for filing legislation.

"We want to stop this kind of situation from occurring," Berman, D-Delray Beach, said, referring to the Tucson shooting.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/fl-ammunition-ban-florida-20110128,0,5718978.story

Here's an idea! Institute it FIRST in Palm Beach County and use it as a model to see how well it works before you start messing with state law. I'm sure the law abiding gangs in West Palm Beach will be first in line to turn in their illegal magazines. --snort--

[beevul]

1. Oh, look....

Oh, look...


Another gun control pusher trying to sound reasonable by saying "Florida should outlaw the sale of extended-size ammunition clips like those used in the Tucson shooting"(30 round magazines)...


And then trying to pull a fast one by saying ""I don't see any reason for anybody in today's climate to be allowed to carry a gun with more than 10 bullets".

I guess nobody was supposed to notice the difference of 20 rounds from what was initially said, trying to sound "reasonable and common sense" to the real intent, which is anything but.

Does anyone still wonder why essentially none of us that are pro gun trust any of you that pull this shit? Or support it?


I support current laws. I support background checks at retail sale. I support prohibition against those who have been ajudicated mentally ill, and violent felons. Go ahead, call me an absolutist in spite of it.

I'll ask again:

Does anyone still wonder why essentially none of us that are pro gun trust any of you that pull this shit? Or support it? This is but one example of the current effort AND the current talking points. Mccarthy is saying it, the brady bunch is saying it, the media is saying it. You're all saying it for the most part, just like whats quoted, with few exceptions. If you support this, you may as well have said it.


Bait and switch. Thats what it is.

Until this garbage stops, those that push these things in this way, and those that support them, will never be trusted, by us. And WE are not to blame for that. If you've used the talking point I described above, you are.

If you think that none of that matters, fine. Pro-gun folks are more vigilant, politically, than the people that push the above talking point are. And everyone knows it. If you'd rather go it alone, and fight a losing political war, and drag half the country down with you in the few political battles you win, its a poor choice, but it IS your choice. Ask yourself this though: Do we NEED you more (or need you at all, for that matter), or do YOU need us more?

I've heard a thousand times, how we - the people who support gun rights - need to clean up our side, clean up the nra and on and on and on. Its your turn. If you ever expect any meaningful number of us to trust anything you do or propose, a first step is cleaning up your side of the fence, and denouncing this crap.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

2. Depends on the actual law, but what is being advocated borders on creating an ex post facto scenario

I wonder how they deal with the tens of thousands of magaziens already out there.

[shadowrider]

3. Good question n/t

[Hoyt]

4. First, you have to turn off the flow. Then you can work on getting people to show some reason.

A 30 shot magazine is just not needed for self-defense. Now if you want to commit a massacre, start a gang war, show off to gun buddies, impress the little kids, etc., one might feel they just cannot get by without one.

Though tortoise acoustic instrument picks are generally considered the best, they have been banned for some time. One can still get them underground, but there are numerous restrictions. Folks that care about turtles realize having one is really not a necessity. There are plenty of pick materials that sound great, and you can grow your nails or finger pick.

Maybe gun owners -- especially public toters -- ought to stop worrying how much killing power they can stuff down their pants when going to Chuck E Cheeze, public parks and libraries, church, etc.

Kudos to the Commissioner for standing up to folks who think they need the largest magazine they can find to walk in public.

[one-eyed fat man]

5. If I wanted to commit a massacre, there are better ways.

Acetone, hydrogen peroxide, any mineral acid and ice. Pound for pound 80% of the explosive force of TNT and undetectable.

So ban nail polish remover, hair dye and car batteries. Car bombs make a much more dramatic political statement than a looney tunes with a pistol.



Certainly all of those closest to him who failed to turn him in for his craziness bear some blame. If Homeland Security was efficient as the Stasi and had one informant for every seven citizens you could report all the toters you think they need to know about. They might even give you their 800 number.

[Hoyt]

9. Walking around with a bomb in public is illegal. Carrying a overloaded pistol should be too.

[one-eyed fat man]

14. So is murdering people

If that is what someone sets out to do they are likely to be little impressed by the law and even less by your feelings. There is a reason the suicide bomber is the weapon of choice. The guy sending the martyr on his mission has an inexhaustible supply of zealots eager to do the dirty work. They might be crazy, but they are not stupid.

And your specious concern about "overloaded pistols" is duly noted, You have repeatedly made it perfectly plain that you consider absolutely no one worthy of "toting" anything, anywhere, for any reason.

[Hoyt]

17. How many times has someone jumped out from behind a tree intent on harming you?

[one-eyed fat man]

19. When?

Enough times to have collected a Bronze Star four times and a Purple Heart twice.

Does it matter that you were underwriting my employment in applied foreign policy?

[jeepnstein]

22. He had to ask...

I recently ran into a fellow who just got out of prison after a twenty year stretch for murder. It was in a crowded McDonalds with my wife and kids. He had stopped there with his family on their way home from picking him up. He was nervous beyond description, and angry, and just as dangerous as when we chained him up and took him away way back. And there he was munching french fries at a table next to a group of giggling cheerleaders. It was a polite exchange of greetings and then I went to my table. Nobody else in the place knew his little secret but me.

Monsters are real. I know them. They know me. Just because you haven't met one yet doesn't mean they don't exist.

[PavePusher]

20. "overloaded pistol"...

Well, I'll give you credit for coining a new phrase.... that one goes in the "Dumb and Dumberer" book.

[armueller2001]

6. Did you notice in the article

They don't only want to ban 30 round magazines, they want to ban 11 rounds on up. Riddle me this, if the police only score one hit for every 6-8 shots fired, do you expect private citizens to perform better? What if there are multiple assailants?

[YllwFvr]

7. if it goes for citizens I demand they do the same for police

10 round limit, carry multiple mags.

snip

The Aftermath
Remarkably, Palmer had taken 22 hits from Soulis' .40-caliber Glock, 17 of which had hit center mass. Despite the fact that the weapon had been loaded with Ranger SXTs considered by many to be one of the best man-stoppers available Palmer lived for more than four minutes after the last shot was fired. His autopsy revealed nothing more than a small amount of alcohol in his bloodstream. Although Soulis could not have known it, Palmer was wanted for murder in a neighboring state.

http://www.lawofficer.com/article/training/officer-down-peter-soulis-inci

This cop may not have lived if he was limited to 10 round mags

If the people in my area were limited to 10 round mags, I would feel it was only right as an officer to be limited the same as them

[Hoyt]

8. The what ifs are highly unlikely. More bullets aren't the answer.

Laws would not be the answer either if gun owners, manufacturers and lobbyists were more responsible. Unfortunately, many folks who own guns can't stand being limited in the fire power they carry into public.

Seeing as the 5 shot .38 Special was a popular weapon for personal protection until recent years, 11 plus is overkill.

[oneshooter]

10. The reason that LEO's went to 357 125JHP was because the 38spl 158 RNL didn't stop the Perp. n/t

[Hoyt]

12. I doubt one needs the same stopping power. But, then, I doubt few even need a gun.

Convincing gun toters to walk outside without one is almost impossible around here. Try it.

[beevul]

15. Thankfully...

Thankfully, no one is compelled to live their life based on your doubts, except you.

[oneshooter]

16. I do try it, every day. My personal favorite is a SIG 220 in 45cal. n/t

[Hoyt]

18. When the gun obsessed start citing their favorite bore size, I'm not impressed.

You can have as big a bore size as you like, as long as you leave it at home-- IMO.

[PavePusher]

21. When are you going to volunteer to be around...

if something bad happens to me?

I've been waiting for an answer for that one for quite some time...

[Hoyt]

23. I don't expect somebody else or a gun to protect me from all but non-existent threats.

Nothing bad will happen to you -- keep believing it. Walk like you believe it and guess what, nothing bad will happen to you. I guarantee it.

[PavePusher]

24. Well, since I've been a victim of violent crime multiple times and on three continents...

I can say, with some authority, that you are catagorically full of shit. I guarantee it.

[Union Scribe]

27. Then why do you care if people have guns?

If the threats out there are "all but non-existent"?

[Hoyt]

28. Perceived threats TO those who pack are non-existent. Thus, we don't need people toting in public.

Glamorizing/Promoting guns in public ain't gonna help us long term. That's why.

[PavePusher]

31. So, a million violent crimes per year is "non-existent".

Good info to know. But very poor math....

[Khan Descend]

11. How would you resolve the "problem" as you perceive it if you had unfettered power?

I really would like to know.

[Hoyt]

13. Changes in attitudes.

[beevul]

25. In case you hadn't noticed, views like yours and the movement driven by them...

In case you hadn't noticed, views like yours and the movement driven by them ARE changing attitudes.


Just not in the way or direction you'd prefer.

[Name removed]

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[Khan Descend]

30. Well, I proposed unfettered, not supernatural power.

If you could change the way people think by fiat, you'd be God herself which we all know is a figment of human imagination.

[Union Scribe]

26. Boy that guy sounds like a reasonable genius sort

He hit every single stupid talking point: You just want to kill people! Do you want a bazooka?! Cliiiiiiiiiiiipppppps!!!

I notice, btw, that he said he didn't "see any reason for anybody" to have normal magazines, by that I can only assume he's for underarming the police.

"Why do you want cops blood everywhere in the street, Mr. Aaronson??????" is what I'd ask if I was a hysterial whackhole in love with tasteless rhetoric like he is.