Gun owners: Permit process not exactly as fast as a speeding bullet

[spin]

As Chicago's post-ban handgun registration system gets phased in, critics complain it is tedious and costly
December 12, 2010|By William Lee, Tribune reporter


The delight that North Sider Ray Diaz felt in early September driving home with his newly purchased Heckler & Koch .45-caliber handgun, the first of his life, was tempered by frustration with the hoops he felt he had to jump through to get his city-issued firearms permit.

Diaz, who wanted a gun for home protection and target shooting, said he spent months trudging through the process to get his permit.

After applying for a state firearm owner's identification card in June, he waited a month to receive it. He next spent several weeks looking for a certified instructor and a range where he could take the mandated firearms training course. He settled on a Dundee range about 35 miles from his home, but he waited several more weeks for an open class. Finally, after shelling out $100, he received his gun permit in September.

The 53-year-old retired Horner Park man is one of more than 1,500 city residents to receive the permit since the City Council passed an ordinance this summer allowing handgun ownership in Chicago for the first time in decades.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-12-12/news/ct-met-chicago-gun-registry-20101212_1_gun-owners-handgun-ban-firearms-training

Updated for wrong link

[Kennah]

1. Same is true for concealed carry

I've lived and carried in 4 RTC states (Florida, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Washington)

They don't exactly fill vending machines with a license to carry.

[spin]

9. The Chicago permit does not allow concealed carry ...

it merely allows you to own a handgun in your own house.

Key provisions of the ordinance include:

* Firearm sales will be banned in the city.
* Gun training totaling four hours in a classroom and an hour on a firing range will be required before getting a permit. But firing ranges are banned, so training must be completed outside Chicago.
* To transport a gun, it will have to be "broken down," not immediately accessible, unloaded, and in a firearm case.
* Firearms may be possessed only inside the dwelling. It will be illegal to have a gun in the garage, on porches or in the yard. Guns also will not be allowed in hotels, dorms and group-living facilities. emphasis added
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/chicagos-new-gun-law-goes-into-effect-today.html

In Florida it's easy to obtain a handgun. No permit or registration is required. If you buy from a store you have to be 21 and pass an NICS background check. If you don't have a Concealed Weapons Permit or are trading in another handgun you will encounter a three day waiting period.

You can't carry concealed or openly in public but you can carry your handgun in your car if it is securely encased (i.e. in a glove box).

If you want a Concealed Weapons Permit you have more hurdles to jump over. Still the expense is reasonable. The state will charge you a total of $117 for the first license which is good for 7 years, and only $65 for a renewal which is good for 7 years. You may have to attend a class for your first license and you will need two passport photos. Of course this the expense but classes are readily available and you can attend one at a gun show. I recommend spending a little more money on a good instructor who will qualify you on the range and often will give you pointers on your shooting. The waiting time for a license once you have submitted all the forms can be up to 90 days but often is shorter. My last renewal took less than one month.

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney nor do I play one on DU. For questions on Florida handgun law visit http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/p/gunlaws_fl.htm for a quick summary. For info on the Florida Concealed Weapons program visit http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html

[Euromutt]

25. You can get a WA CPL in the time it takes to just get the IL FOID card

The process for the two is fairly similar, but the difference is that in Washington, you know have authorization to carry a concealed handgun, whereas in Illinois you now have authorization to purchase and possess a firearm, but not to carry it. And you still don't have authorization to possess your firearm within the Chicago city limits.

And the existence of the Firearm Owner's Identification Card is what makes Chicago's ordinances double bullshit. You already need to have a state permit to possess a firearm. What added value is there to requiring a separate permit to possess a handgun at the city level? Daley's claim that a handgun registry is necessary so emergency services know whether there's a firearm present in a dwelling is similarly bullshit, because the state already has a de facto registry of legal gun owners.

[bluerum]

2. By design.

[X_Digger]

4. Yes, they want to make it as difficult, expensive, and time consuming as possible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38045002/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

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The ordinance, which Daley urged the City Council to pass, also would:

— Limit the number of handguns residents can register to one per month and prohibit residents from having more than one handgun in operating order at any given time.

— Require prospective gun owners to take a four-hour class and one-hour training at a gun range. They would have to leave the city for training because Chicago prohibits new gun ranges and limits the use of existing ranges to police officers. Those restrictions were similar to those in an ordinance passed in Washington, D.C., after the high court struck down its ban two years ago.

So if you're poor and can't take off work for the multiple trips to the police station, and don't have the money to travel outside the city to a range for the training? So sad, no handgun for you.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. Indeed, like some of the southern voting laws used to be

racist and classist to the core.

[Kolesar]

3. Poor little rich boy

:cry:

[X_Digger]

8. Daley? Yes, he's crying over all the city's money he blew, I'm sure.

I'm sure those millions would serve no other purpose. Who needs to hire cops?

[Kolesar]

10. typical weak post by digger ... eom

[X_Digger]

12. It was as appropos as your knee-jerk response warranted.

Care to discuss why only the rich in Chicago can afford to own a handgun for self-defense (legally)?

[Kolesar]

14. More whining...eom

[X_Digger]

16. So.. nothing substantive to discuss? n/t

[Euromutt]

21. That's the best decription of one of your posts I've read

I admire your ability to cut to the chase and provide such a concise summary of what you might otherwise have written.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Tell us how you feel about Poll taxes.

[Katya Mullethov]

22. Rich boy got what he wanted anyway

That should really piss you off . Pretty much the entire world is a rigged game so that we get what we want . And you dont .

[PavePusher]

23. Surely you have paid your fees and taken your training...

to exercise your First, Fourth, Fifth and Thirteenth Amendment Rights, amIright?

How long did you have to wait for your permits to show up?

I'm guessing fuck-all-to-zero on all counts...

[X_Digger]

5. Err.. try this link..

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-12-12/news/ct-met-chicago-gun-registry-20101212_1_gun-owners-handgun-ban-firearms-training

[spin]

11. Thanks. Updated in time. I've had my share of problems with links lately ..

A link I provided on an OP yesterday had a header I had not examined which was offensive to Democrats to say the least.
Consequently the post was locked, which I consider reasonable.

I have 14 tabs open right now on Firefox. That's probably a bit much.

[Hoopla Phil]

6. Heckler & Koch .45-cal. WOW He didn't spare any expense.

Of course the way this system is set up poor people cannot afford to have the most effective means of self defense at home legally. Very sad.

[spin]

15. A used S&W .38 cal revolver in excellent condition can be obtained at a very reasonable price ...

and while revolvers are considered outdated technology, they are an excellent choice for home defense. One of my most accurate .38 revolvers is an ex-police weapon, a S&W Model 64 with an amazingly sweet trigger pull that always gets compliments.



My daughter often uses this firearm as her car gun. A recent job she had took her into some bad areas of Florida interviewing people. In the really remote areas she often carried this weapon concealed. Normally she just carried her much smaller .22 mag snub nosed revolver, a S&W Model 351PD.

[HERVEPA]

7. That's a shame

:sarcasm:

[oneshooter]

17. How much time and money are you willing to put out to vote? n/t

[Pavulon]

18. He should have given a lawyer cash to pay a bribe for him..

save a little time.

[spin]

19. I hear that that usually works well in Chicago. (n/t)

[PavePusher]

24. See #23 and wipe your bitchy tears. n/t