Amendment allows guns in Amity Township parks (Pennsylvania)

[shadowrider]

The Amity Township Board of Supervisors unanimously approved Park Rules Ordinance Amendment 267 on Oct. 6. The amendment states that “permitted” firearms (purchased following a background check) are permitted in its seven parks and must be carried openly.

“Under state game laws and the crimes code, (police) cannot prohibit the carrying of firearms,” said Solicitor Brian F. Boland. “The discharge is prohibited.”

A concealed carry permit is required to conceal a firearm and is obtained through a separate application.

http://www.berksmontnews.com/articles/2010/10/12/southern_berks_news/news/doc4cb4660e19ae7398232551.txt

And the anti's take another one. The pic speaks for itself.

[Name removed]

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[shadowrider]

3. What do I expect? Maybe support for a RIGHT? You know, we have many set forth in the BOR? n/t

[oneshooter]

2. Another bad law bites the big one! n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

4. You can carry a gun in the park but can't shoot it...

so what's the point?

[X_Digger]

5. I'd rather face a ticket for shooting in a park..

.. than take a beating / stabbing / shooting from a mugger.

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Curious. I'd rather just enjoy a day in the park without worrying...

about the tiny chance of getting mugged. Just like all those other days in the park when I've never been mugged.

(And even less chance of someone stealing my gun if I don't have one.)

[X_Digger]

9. I also keep a fire extinguisher in my car.. I don't 'worry' about fires.

I'm prepared for a lot of rare yet potentially serious things. I wear a seat belt, I carry a first aid kit in my car, as well as a couple of bottles of water and some energy bars.

Worry doesn't factor into it, being prepared does.

[PavePusher]

6. You can shoot in self-defense.

But you'd better be right.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. And you better be fast enough to get it out, get the safety off...

cock it and shoot it before that baseball bat hits your head.

From the back.

[PavePusher]

10. Successful firearms self-defense is quite frequent.

If you are actually paying attention to the subject.

[X_Digger]

11. Happens quite frequently, see this forum..

.. where people with a concealed firearm have been able to draw and fire before someone can shoot them, even.

e.g.- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=330401

[RSillsbee]

12. And you better be fast enough

get it out A given. get the safety offno gun I carry has a safety cock it I carry all my guns with the chamber loaded (IE "cocked")and shoot it The last time I had a DGU the miscreant took off as soon as he saw my gun come out of the holster.

[shadowrider]

13. I have a full magazine and one in the pipe, but the safety is on n/t

[spin]

15. I am the safety on my revolver ...

If I pull the trigger it makes a loud noise.

Works well, lasts a long time.


S&W Model 642 .38 special +P

[Texasborncowboy]

24. I had a similar experience

I lifted up my shirt and placed my hand on the gun, the thug made a squeaking noise and ran off with his buddy.

This was a frightening experience. Two thugs demanded I pay a toll to pass by, and if I didn't have any money they would "take" my wife.

[Bold Lib]

16. Oh, it only happens about two MILLION times every year.

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html

[TreasonousBastard]

17. Oh, that tired shit again. Since there are far less than 2 million...

violent crimes a year, just who and what are all these people defending themselves against?

One of these days you guys will realize that Kleck and his ilk are happily proving themselves right time and time again without a glimmer of real evidence.

Until then, have a nice day.

(And don't shoot anything I wouldn't)

[Bold Lib]

18. Reality sucks doesn't it? PROVE it wrong if you can. It is peer reviewed and validated.

I can clearly see that you don't like it and your faith prohibits your from seeing facts, but that is often the result when people have their faith challenged with reality.

Stay classy now.

[X_Digger]

19. "A mugging not committed. No film at 11."

Which of the violent crime indices do non-crimes fall into?

Oh that's right, even if a cop is called, it doesn't make it into any of the FBI's crime stats.

[RSillsbee]

20. You're overlooking something

I was the victim of an attempted mugging and I was able to get my gun out before I took a bat to the back of the head (metaphorically speaking).

I don't care how many other people it worked for that year it worked for me.

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. It worked for me when I needed it, as well. No shots fired, no police report made.

No casualties save the heart rate (and perhaps underwear) of the 'alternative shopper'.

Which was good, as I really don't ever want to have to shoot someone....

[jazzhound]

21. Massive logic fail.

You are comparing the number of crimes reported with those that go unreported.

Since defensive gun use thwarts the crime -- no crime is recorded. :crazy:

Further, in many cases of defensive gun use there is disincentive for the victim to report the assault --- again, no crime is recorded. Logic/research failure par for the course for you and your "ilk".

[jazzhound]

22. Kleck and his "ilk"?

You mean Dr. Gary Kleck --- a lifelong liberal Democrat and winner of the highest award bestowed by the American Society of Criminology? (the Michael Hindelang Award)

THAT Gary Kleck?

Looks like you've just outed yourself as a self-loathing liberal!

:rofl:

[Euromutt]

23. How about the other 17 studies that produced similar findings?

Including those by people known to be opposed to private firearms ownership, such as Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig's "National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms" (commissioned by the NIJ, http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf), and David Hemenway and Deborah Azrael's "Gun Use in the United States" (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11144624), which produced findings that, if extrapolated to the general population would result in some 900,000 DGUs annually.

A figure of 2 million DGUs annually falls within the confidence intervals of all these studies, though I will concede that the Kleck-Gertz, Cook-Ludwig and Hemenway-Azrael studies were all carried out in the 1990s, when the violent crime rate was markedly higher than it has been in the past decade. Still, that doesn't mean the Kleck & Gertz's findings were invalid at the time.

The only "tired shit" around here is the dismissal of Kleck & Gertz's estimate on the basis of a tarted-up argument from incredulity, with zero actual evidence that there's anything wrong with it.

[Callisto32]

25. Because guns are a magic talisman that we believe protects one from all harm?

Shit happens.

I still wear a seat belt, have fire extinguishers, and carry a gun among many other safety precautions I can take.

Your attempt at an argument is like saying that because seat belts won't save everybody, people shouldn't be allowed to wear them.

[spin]

26. Many peoplewho carry concealed are familiar with "situational awareness" ...

as are people who take martial arts classes.

You are alert to your surroundings. I used to tell my daughter, "Keep your radar out and searching."

If something feels or looks suspicious, you merely leave the area. You pay heed to your sixth sense. Obviously, you don't do stupid things or take stupid chances. For example, you don't visit outdoor ATMs at night. You make eye contact with people on the street. You actually look at the people you pass and try to notice strange or out of place items or actions. Perhaps it's 90 degrees and the person approaching you has a heavy jacket on. You don't walk down a dark street with a cell phone glued to your ear.

Some will call this being paranoid. With practice it is merely second nature.

Note: My concealed weapon does not have a safety and since it resides in a holster in my front right pants pocket, I can casually place my hand on it if things look dicey. If during the colder months in Florida, I carry it in my jacket pocket, I can shoot through the pocket if necessary.


S&W Model 642 .38+P special.

[ManiacJoe]

14. .

Already covered... No sense beating the horse....