Chicago Police Department Roster of “Unsafe Handguns” (Nothing can be registered)

[shadowrider]

Chicago, IL --(Ammoland.com)- The City of Chicago released its roster of “unsafe handguns” that cannot be legally possessed in the City because they cannot be registered with the police as one part of obtaining a license to possess a gun, as required under the City’s new gun laws.

But the list is not limited to hand guns as the law is so vague it can be interpreted as to apply to all guns made by a manufacture.

Of comical interest is banning of the deadly Daisy BB Gun Line, probably because of it pure destructive power.

And don’t forget Acme. Knowing who we are dealing with here they are probably referring to Acme Corporation from Looney Tunes? The coyote better watch out for Mayor Daley and his thugs now.

So besides a bunch of guns that have not been made in a 100 years what do you see on this list that is funny or raises your eyebrow? Leave us some comments below.

ROSTER OF UNSAFE HUNDGUNS AS DESIGNATED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT

The following handguns have been specifically disapproved by the Superintendent as unsafe handguns and therefore cannot be registered within the City of Chicago.

Where a model or type is not specifically referenced, all models from the listed manufacturer are deemed unsafe.

http://www.ammoland.com/tag/unsafe-guns/

In other words, you can't register a gun because it's unsafe, regardless the manufacturer.

Just.
Shakin.
Head.

[Submariner]

1. Not quite

I have a Sig Sauer that is not the banned mosquito model on that list.

[shadowrider]

3. Read it again

If it isn't specifically referenced it's deemed unsafe and can't be registered

Meaning, if it's on the list it's unsafe. If it isn't on the list it's unsafe.

[Euromutt]

11. No, Submariner's right

Where a model or type is not specifically referenced, all models from the listed manufacturer are deemed unsafe.

Emphasis mine. If the manufacturer is not listed, anything by that manufacturer is fine. For exampole, Glock isn't on the list, which means all models of Glock are acceptable. Ditto for Ruger.

By contrast, Hi-Point is listed as a manufacturer, but no models are listed, so all Hi-Point handguns are deemed "unsafe."

It's odd that they've singled out the Sig Mosquito and the Walther P22. Surely those are California-compliant, and once you've got all those features (magazine disconnect, loaded chamber indicator, 10-round mag capacity) what's left to be "unsafe"?

[shadowrider]

13. You are thinking too logically and taking hizzoner at his word

His goal is to ban guns, period.

What better way than to talk out of both sides of his mouth regarding what's allowed and what isn't.

It' far too easy for him to quote/reference the second part of the statement "all models from the listed manufacturer are deemed unsafe".

IMHO, yours may differ, it would be far better to put out a list of what IS allowed/safe, than a list like this that, based on ambiguity and vagueness, can be used to ban whatever they want.

[dmallind]

12. No he's right

If a model is not referenced on the list, it refers to all models of that brand. Since the Sig Sauer listing DOES reference a model - the Mosquito - the exclusion is only for that model.

FWIW I am unfamiliar with most of these brands but I do agree with Jennings and Hi-Point. Those pieces of crap are more dangerous to the person behind the gun than the one in front of it.

[PavePusher]

15. Don't buy the un-hype.

Hi-Points work just fine, and they have a superb warantee for when they don't.

Yes, they are ugly, heavy and have a horrendously uncomfortable trigger. But it goes "BANG" when you squeeze it. Mine required only two clicks adjustment on the rear sight out-of-the-box to be the most accurate handgun I've owned.

Never tried a Jennings.

[benEzra]

17. No, they're just very heavy and bulky for the caliber.

FWIW I am unfamiliar with most of these brands but I do agree with Jennings and Hi-Point. Those pieces of crap are more dangerous to the person behind the gun than the one in front of it.

No, they're just very heavy and bulky for the caliber. Not unsafe.

My wife's first handgun was a Phoenix Arms Raven .25 ACP. It was absolutely reliable and pretty accurate given the short sight radius, but it was larger and heavier than most .32's.

[Katya Mullethov]

24. Unsafe is a euphemism for "less expensive "

[virginia mountainman]

2. ROFLMAO!!!!

He just don't get it does he?! O Well, Chicago Taxpayers get to pay and pay and pay..

[Lurks Often]

4. Who is the stupid shit for brains

that came up with that list? There are companies on the list that haven't made guns in over a hundred years (Aetna Arms, Chicago Firearms Company) and in calibers no longer available. Here's another example, the Connecticut Arms & Mfg. Co. made all of 2700 .28 caliber (definitely not an available caliber) revolvers during the 1860's.*


*Information on the above guns is from the 2001 Standard Catalog of Firearms, which is collector's price and reference guide.

[Travis Coates]

6. I noticed Great Western on the list

They made the Duke's matching ivory handled revolvers. They went out of business in the 60s

I can't fault hizzoner for putting every incarnation of Jimenez on that list

[slackmaster]

9. Their source was probably the Big Book of Gun Values

They copied the "Handguns" section out of the index.

[SteveM]

23. I have a Gun List catalogue which lists the "Gut Buster." You can imagine.

[Katya Mullethov]

14. It is not uncommon to recycle the "technical data" for a long time

They were still showing us the movie Reefer Madness in the late seventies and passing it off as drug education with a straight face . And this is in spite of the mockery and laughter that understandably ensued . They figured , and rightly so , that my cohorts and I were merely assholes and so it had nothing to do with their choice of media or the veracity of its claims .

[GreenStormCloud]

5. Daisy made a 22LR, Model Legacy 2202 from 1988 to 1991.

I haven't the foggiest idea why it is considered unsafe. I notice that Walther P22 is also unsafe. I have one of those and it has every safety feature that the politically correct crowd has asked for.

[Glassunion]

7. It's cheap, therefore "those people" can afford one.

And none of us want "those people" buying a gun.

[Historic NY]

8. Thank God Brown Bess & Charlieville muskets made the cut....

:eyes:

[spin]

10. North American Arms, (NAA) Mini-Series — all spur trigger models

I just bought my daughter a .22 cal NAA mini-revolver for her birthday. She calls it her "get away from me gun".

I wouldn't describe it as "unsafe" by any means, just tiny. But this little firearm is on the "unsafe" list.





She also carries a S&W Model 351PD .22 magnum revolver.



Her home defense firearm is a S&W Model 25-2 45acp revolver.

[one-eyed fat man]

16. Iver-Johnson

Was a very innovative manufacturer of bicycles and firearms. Iver Johnson gained a reputation over the years for producing low cost, sturdy, reliable firearms and they were the 'house guns' for most people of ordinary means on the nightstands and in the sock drawers on millions of American homes from the 1870's through to World War Two.



The Glock style trigger safety was such a good idea they 'copied' in 1894.



The transfer bar ignition system was such a good idea they 'copied' it from Ruger in 1892.

The Iver Johnson Model 1879 has the distinction of being the First DA revolver with a swing out cylinder, although admittedly somewhat different than what we are accustomed to seeing today. Colt introduced its first side-swing cylinder revolver in 1889 and Smith and Wesson in 1896.

While a portion of the guns are junk, a fair number of the knife gun and knuckle dusters are pretty valuable antiques. Some of the guns listed are also AOW's under the NFA.

[SteveM]

25. Nothing junky about Iver Johnsons. Good utility gun...

I once passed up a single-shot .20 gauge "Nitro" model, tight, intact with flawless barrel, made by "Iver-Johnson Gun & Cycle Works." $100.

[MisterBill45]

18. And all the hoplophobes will come out and defend this

Because they "care about the little guy" and are "more progressive" than us evil gun nuts.

I've just become more and more disgusted with what passes for the left any more. Anti-freedom, anti-poor people, pro police-state.

We have a similar (ours is MUCH worse) list in Mass. It's specifically designed to make it impossible for poor people to own guns. First they put a $150 licensing fee (non-refundable if the local Chief of police decides FOR ANY REASON that he doesn't think you're "suitable.") Nest they put in place a manadatory training class just for OWNING a firearm of any type (another $150) and then they remove every lower-priced guns from the market. So unless you have $700-800+ available (not including ammo if you'd like to actually you know, become basically proficient with your gun) it's out of the question.

If you're working at minimum wage in the Boston area you're doing very well to eat, pay rent and keep clothing on your back. Coming up with an additional $300 in fees, risking losing it all in a completely arbitrary and selective denial AND have $400-$500 for a USED gun, is out of the question.

Apparently no one remembers poll taxes. You know, the tax specifically designed to keep the N*(^&)(^&* from voting. This is no different at all. Everyone in favor of this licensing crap should volunteer to pay $300 and a mandatory class for their voter registration card. Somehow then I think they would suddenly "discover" how charging large fees and instituting mandatory government approved classes to exercise a basic right is a violation of everything the country was founded upon.

[Callisto32]

40. We welcome comers from all sides in the libertarian movement.

Note small "l".

We care about everybody, enough to leave them alone, and not tell them what is best for them.

Most libertarians believe in noblesse oblige, so the "you don't care about anybody but yourself" stuff is greatly exaggerated.

Just don't hurt anybody, and we are cool.

[DonP]

19. At what point does it become contempt of court?

They created a "program" with conflicting rules. e.g. you must train with an approved program and at an approved shooting range, but barred any shooting ranges from the city and have no training programs in place. I'm also gonna take a wild guess that Daley won't ask the NRA for any help with safety training either..

They admit that their new "overnight" gun control program will take "from 5 to 6 months to sort itself out", per Jody Weiss, designated Daley meat puppet and pseudo cop.

Their "approved" list of guns looks like it bans pretty much most of the guns an average person (not a graft fattened Chicago alderman) can afford or access.

At what point do the litigants that won go to SCOTUS or the Federal attorney and ask for some form of relief and enforcement of the ruling?

(BTW, Otis McDonald was on the radio being interviewed earlier this week and said he's decided to get a 1911 as his home defense gun. I just knew he was a brilliant and very perceptive man the first time I met him.)

[Hoopla Phil]

20. Good question.

[one-eyed fat man]

35. Mr. Otis McDonald

Recounting his first involvement with the Illinois State Rifle Association, was a rare voice from his South Side neighborhood.

"I was probably the only black at that first meeting" in Springfield, McDonald says. "I met a lot of people. Everybody was friendly." The Army veteran adds that "it was like a bunch of old GIs getting together. ... I liked their message."

As an Army veteran, the choice of an M1911 is hardly surprising, nor is the fact that he is a veteran. Mr. McDonald is 78 years old. The draft was in full swing 60 years ago. To find a man who hadn't been in the military in the Fifties was pretty tough. It was those couple years in the Army after high school that gave men rich, poor, white, black, etc a common bond and a shared experience. I think our society is poorer for having lost that.

[Hoopla Phil]

21. Isn't California being sued over their "safe gun" list as a violation of the Interstate

Commerce Clause? If ever there was a violation of that, this is it.

[derby378]

22. Glad to see Lorcin on the list, though

I've heard some real horror stories about the performance of those handguns - handgrip falls apart after five shots, bullet explodes in chamber, etc.

I saw one for sale in an Oklahoma pawn shop a few weeks ago, and thought about buying it for the sheer novelty, as in mounting it in a display case as an example of what not to buy.

[jeepnstein]

26. If he was really thinking...

He'd have a bit of legislation drafted with words to this effect... "Recognizing the need for citizens under the 2nd Amendment to be armed and ready for individual and community self defense, we declare that the duty weapons authorized for the Chicago PD are the only firearms Chicago Citizens are permitted to register." Then all they have to do is issue the PD Glock 18's and Colt M4's. Then they could shift the blame on the Federal Government for closing the NFA registry in 1986. Of course, it would mean all Chicago cops would be carrying full-auto which may or may not be such a hot idea.

[PavePusher]

27. For CPD?!

Definitely a bad idea... :evilfrown:

[jeepnstein]

33. What could possibly go wrong?

[one-eyed fat man]

28. It was a carload of fake Chicago cops

with automatic weapons that delivered Big Al's Valentine's greeting to Bugs Moran in 1929.



It was real Chicago cop's that watched Al Capone kick the Mayor down the steps of City Hall in 1924. Not much has changed in Chicago except you can send your graft to City Hall using electronic fund transfers instead of a shoebox.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. Why (I think) they listed the Walther P22 and Daisy 2202 as "unsafe".

In both guns the barrel can be easily changed using only an allen wrench. Since changing the barrel changes the ballistic fingerprint I think they are considering those as criminal's-favorite. IIRC, Chicago wants a ballistic sample from all guns, so a fast-change barrel defeats that.

[S_B_Jackson]

36. If that's the case.......

Why (I think) they listed the Walther P22 and Daisy 2202 as "unsafe".......Posted by GreenStormCloud
In both guns the barrel can be easily changed using only an allen wrench. Since changing the barrel changes the ballistic fingerprint I think they are considering those as criminal's-favorite. IIRC, Chicago wants a ballistic sample from all guns, so a fast-change barrel defeats that.

I hope that no one informs them that any Sig chambered in .40S&W or .357Sig can be changed from one to the other and even to 9mm (if you purchase an aftermarket 9mm conversion barrel that was bored from a .40S&W/.357Sig barrel blank) merely by swapping the barrel.

Very interesting to shoot both my Sig P229 & SigPro 2022 in all three calibers from the exact same platform. Start out on the firing line shooting 9mm, then to .40 S&W, and finally to .357Sig...when you start shooting that - it's kinda like the old E.F. Hutton ads...:evilgrin:

[Straw Man]

37. Barrel swap?

In both guns the barrel can be easily changed using only an allen wrench.

You can change a Glock barrel with no tools whatsoever. But maybe they don't know that...

[Pavulon]

30. For sig is the mosquito banned?

or all sigs other than that model? Sig is carried by various law enforcement agencies, including the secret service...

Sig Sauer — Mosquito only.

List of guns someone without money would own. Not everyone can afford SIG P or Wilson series sidearms.

[Pavulon]

31. What is a list of weapons poor people might own Alex?(nt)

[Glassunion]

32. I did not see this on the list. I'm sure it will be added soon.

1. Capable of going Fully Automatic
2. 18-shot extended magazines.
3. Comes with three extra-long magazines
4. A detachable shield
5. Detachable and a fore grip that can deploy a bi-pod for mounted emplacements.
6. Accessory Rail
7. Collapsible Stock
8. Pistol Grip
9. Barrel Shroud

[GreenStormCloud]

34. Do you realize what would happen if a kid brought that to a school playground?

The school would go into lockdown, the kid would go to juvenile court, and all the school children would get counseling.

When I was a kid, it didn't exist. But if it had have existed, the first kid to bring one would be the envy of all the other kids. We made do with cap pistols and enjoyed every noisy minute of it.

[Tejas]

38. whoa, I lost count of "things that go up" on that one!

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

41. Nice one... ROFL!

Somewhere, Rep. McCarthy is having an attack of the vapours.... If I were a cruel person, I'd hope for mustard gas....

[Callisto32]

39. Funny, Glock isn't on the list.

They generate a lot of problems with people shooting themselves because of poor handling...

I guess that's probably why, they figure they will just let the eeeeebil gun owners shoot themselves.

[edgrosvenor]

42. I wanted to post this as its own story, but I'm too new...

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/07/off-duty-police-officer-shot.html

One of Mayor Daley's own security guards (a CPD officer) was shot and killed as he was getting home last night. How much you want to bet it wasn't with a legally obtained and licensed firearm. We can debate the merits of gun control, but the handgun ban has done nothing to make Chicago safer. It's about time this city gets its head out of its collective butt and starts figuring out real solutions.