Gidget with a Glock?

[marmar]

from the Los Angeles Times:



Openly bearing arms, beachgoers cite their rights
Members of a South Bay group hope to win public acceptance of the public display of firearms

By Jack Leonard, Times Staff Writer
July 11, 2010



It was clear this was no ordinary community cleanup.

Trash bags? Check.

Gloves? Check.

Glock .45-caliber handgun? Check.

More than a dozen people packing pistols on their hips strolled down the Hermosa Beach strand Saturday, picking up garbage and distributing fliers about the rights of gun owners.

The event was part of a burgeoning and controversial "open carry" movement nationwide promoting the right to carry guns in public. Although carrying a concealed weapon is illegal without a permit, California allows people to openly carry guns in many areas as long as they are unloaded, though they can keep ammunition with them.

Members of South Bay Open Carry, which organized the beach cleanup, said they hope such events will dispel misgivings about gun owners and make carrying a handgun in public more acceptable. Organizers said they turned the event into a cleanup to demonstrate that they are contributing to the community. ...........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-open-carry-20100711,0,684001.story

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[SteveM]

21. Still snuffin' round down there? nt

[Pavulon]

2. Those CCW's are expensive to buy.

you need a lawyer to deposit your cash into the proper re-elections fund to get one. That assumes you are white of course. "may issue" is subjective.

[TreasonousBastard]

3. I agree completely that gun owners have a right to clean the beach...

but can they do it without the message?

[slackmaster]

4. The "open carry" people are clueless

All they're going to accomplish is scaring people, and probably getting open carry banned.

[Pavulon]

6. Not an OC fan myself. CCW should be the norm

with an OC clause in the event a shirt tail gets caught you are not breaking the law by printing. Now if CCW is banned (or costs a fat bribe) OC is to be expected.

Barring a hunting trip or an honest to god calamity I can see no reason to sling an M4 (or any long gun) in a public setting.

Can and should are different thing.

[slackmaster]

8. California's system of concealed-weapons permits is obsolete, dysfunctional, and inequitable

It was created in times when most people lived in Mayberry-like communities, where there was a real possibility that Sheriff Andy personally knew everyone in town.

San Diego County has over 3 million residents. That could mean over 1 million who are of legal age and not otherwise disqualified from owning a handgun.

I've never met Sheriff Gore. I knew the previous one through social connections, but even then he didn't know me well enough to make a fair determination of whether or not I was of "good character" and that I had a "good reason" for wanting a CCW permit.

Most states have switched to objective systems for issuing permits. Typically you get a background check, pay a fee, take a class, take a test, and you're good to go. That kind of system eliminates any possibility of permits being handed out as political favors, which former Orange County Sheriff Mike Carona was accused of doing.

[onehandle]

7. This ain't Gidget.

It's the usual crowd.

[cowman]

9. And the problem with this is?

It's not loaded, he's not diplaying it in a threatening manner. so what is the problem?

[armueller2001]

10. The problem is

Guns are SCAWWY!

[azureblue]

11. so what if a group of blacks or Mexicans did the same thing?

With the proper CCW permits, etc. What do you suppose the police and public reaction would be?

I'll tell you- they would freak out, Probably call out SWAT, too, Tasers, billy clubs, and guns drawn, and haul them all to jail, permits or no. And not a single white gun owner would say a thing. Do a little searching for what happens when a minority with a CCW permit gets stopped by a cop.

[Statistical]

14. Plenty of white gun owners would say something.

The VCDL (a VA gun rights organization) raised funds for the defense of a black gun owner who was arrested under an illegal law in Norfolk, VA. That includes gun owners of all race.

Feel free to make this a race issue but you do so without facts.

[azureblue]

30. Fact is

put a group of Blacks or Mexicans in public with firearms, permits or no, and they WILL be thrown down, probably tased, beaten, somebody maybe get shot, then arrested and hauled away. Then the cops MIGHT decide to check to see if the permits are real or fake at the station, but they WILL be treated as fake on the scene. And yes, this is about race because the cops will beat down any minority with a gun, THEN ask to see if he has a permit, while a white man just has to say he has one, show it, then he's off the hook. This is facts, proven every day in every city. This is about white privilege - damn straight. No Latino or Black with any brains would even dare to think of a stunt like that - they KNOW what would happen. When it comes to minorities and guns, cops will shoot first, then ask questions. But the NRA will never say anything about that. Nope. tsk tsk. Another black man shot down by a cop, with the cop claiming self defense. Which is EXACTLY what would happen if that bunch of white guys were black.

Tell you what, pull your NRA membership rolls-- from that, assemble ten or more blacks or latinos with permits, dress them in T shirts and jeans and ball caps, arm them with unloaded weapons, and tell them to go clean up a beach while wearing their guns. Stay aside and observe what happens next. At least, you're gonna see people running the other way. And when the cops arrive en mass and armed to the teeth, beat your crew of gun owners down, you make sure (and make sure your Glock is in full view) to rush in to defend them in the name of the second amendment, and let's see where your foolish white ass winds up.

Clip, magazine, semantics. Where I come from, the terms are interchangeable, like lead, ammo, bullets, etc. Gun, pistol, sidearm. I even made the mistake of calling my Colt a gun, instead of a revolver. Madre de Dios! Quelle Horreur!

[Taitertots]

31. Too bad the Black Panthers already did

Lets not forget how much the tea party loved the black guy carrying the AR-15 around in public.

Don't let the facts stop you from spitting up more racist bile.

[Statistical]

35. So because the Police will violate some people's right we should just violate eveyrone's rights?

Either sue Police Departments for violation of "Equal Protection" until they accept they need to uphold the law or bring everyone else down to the same level because some cops are racists.

Like I said in Norfolk they arrested someone for open carrying a weapon because Norfolk has a law on the books. The problem is that Norfolk has no authority to pass any firearm laws since in VA the state preemption overrides any local statutes.

Rather than go "on noes since the Police/city will violate the law lets ban open carry to "protect" ourselves against Police infrignement" the VCDL (a group that is mostly white) organized a defense fund for the guy arrested and he sued the city and won. Collected a 6 figure check, and the judge required the city to conduct mandatory training for Officers on state firearm laws. 3 months later .... he gets arrested again. Man this civil rights stuff is hard maybe he should give up right? Just ban open carry to "protect" the citizens from false arrest?

Nope. Crazy thing he decided to sue the city again. Collected another six figure sum (plus triple that in punitive damages), the judge also mandated the city complete the 100% accountable training within 90 days or he would personally hold the Police Chief in contempt.

Strange thing happened; Norfolk hasn't arrested anyone for open carry in over a year; black, white or latino. Given they have a budget shortfall I guess the millions they were losing in lawsuits, court costs, lawyers, and training made them finally wise up. However if they do it again..... bring them right back into court.

"And when the cops arrive en mass and armed to the teeth, beat your crew of gun owners down, you make sure (and make sure your Glock is in full view) to rush in to defend them in the name of the second amendment, and let's see where your foolish white ass winds up. "

Who said anything about getting into running gun battles with the cops. Your racial attacks aside these things can be resolved in the court.

It is the height of stupidity to say "because the Police might harrass minorities the way to make everyone equal to to violate EVERYONE'S rights". How about if the Police violate the law then you sue them on civil rights grounds. Crazy concept I know. This applies to more than just firearms.

[oneshooter]

20. If they had the "proper CCW permits" nothing would happen.

As they would be carrying CONCEALED! CCW = CONCEALED CARRY WEAPON

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[safeinOhio]

32. A while back there was a rash

of minority people in NY city that were shot and killed by police when they were taking out their wallets. Police said they thought it was a gun. Michael Moore even did some street theater on this. He offered Black people in NY white wallets if they traded in their black ones so they would not be shoot by police. He even ended up with a pile of black wallets that were traded in.

Watch it here



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE

[SteveM]

22. Well, actually they did...

Back in the late 60s, the Black Panthers paraded openly with firearms (mostly their daddies' service rifles) on the public streets and inside the capitol building of Sacramento. Ronald Reagan (R), governor of California at the time, later signed into law many of the current gun bans; after all, those guys were black, y'know. And fear of armed black people is the font of gun-control laws since antebellum times, and up to the present. And, yes, there are has been at least one posting by a CCW-regular in this forum explaining his experiences when stopped by police.

Incidentally, I don't know what would happen in your scenario. If things go down as you describe ("freak out," "SWAT," "Tasers, billy clubs and guns drawn"), it would be a good object lesson in how gun-control laws came about and why they are there. But I bet there would be many, many "white gun owners" who WOULD say something.

How much on that wager?

[Katya Mullethov]

24. The news would crop their arms and legs out of the photos

And then obfuscate through insinuation that it was simply hatred , coming from racists ,and aimed at every last iota of their new black president .

Like they did to this cat . Fascinatin' stuff , journalism .

[cowman]

26. If they had proper CCW permits

no one would know that they are armed

[old mark]

13. And don't forget - "I hate guns, so YOU should not be allowed to own one."

How very Liberal! :sarcasm:

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[azureblue]

12. and, since he's white

it's OK, of course... Imagine if he were a big black guy- how long do you think he'd be allowed to stand there with his gun?

So let me time something here. Suppose I have a clip in my front pocket and a rifle thrown over my shoulder, very commando style. Form zero, It think it would take me about 7 seconds to pull the clip out of my pocket, move the gun to my chest, insert clip and cock gun. So how is anybody going to know that that big whitey doesn't have ammo on him? That is what is scary.

[Statistical]

16. He is allowed to have ammo on him.

The law allows it.

Still in other normal states people regularly carried loaded weapons.

"That is what is scary" - Only for the irrational.

[mvccd1000]

23. You mean like the black guy with the AR-15 at the Obama rally in Phx last year?

Nothing happened to him, either from the bystanders or the police.

Next?

[Katya Mullethov]

25. Well , he -WAS- decapitated

As stated above .

[cowman]

27. You really need to learn something about firearms

the correct term is magazine, not clip.

[PavePusher]

33. "...very commando style."

Uh, what? I'm not sure you know what you are talking about, but it seems you are trying to imply something.

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[PJPhreak]

17. And that ain't a Glock Neither. nt

[KansasVoter]

18. Open carry but with no loaded gun.....wow, really stupid. Why carry at all?

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Only takes a second to load it.

That's the point of a removable box magazine.
They only open carry unloaded, because the law forbids carrying loaded in that state.

In WA, you can open carry loaded.

[Euromutt]

34. WA state law is unclear on OCing long guns

Holstered handguns, fine. Long guns are a gray area, but based on the verdict in State v. Spencer, I'd advise doing so with the weapon slung muzzle up, unloaded and action open.

[cowman]

28. Hell

in NV we can open carry fully loaded also, and we can conceal without a permit as long as it is on private property as in our homes or vehicles or even our boats. People here don't freak out because we are used to seeing people open carry all the time. It's nothing for me to go to the local store and see 2 or 3 people armed, it's really no big deal and we have a very progressive Sheriff, who BTW is a Repub. who supports this strongly

[Statistical]

29. Two reasons

1) as a protest to hopefully get the law changed.

2) given the alternative which is no carry whatsoever carrying unloaded is better than nothing. Guns can be loaded.