Chicago - Park District Balks at Gun-Rights Group Meeting

[DonP]

I'm sure Daley had absolutely nothing to do with this African American Gun Rights Group meeting permit being revoked. They claimed it was just a"glitch" in the system that revoked their permit a few days before their meeting and threw all their fliers in the garbage.

Full article here: http://www.chicagoreader.com/TheBlog/archives/2010/06/25/park-district-balks-at-gun-rights-group-meeting

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"Gerald Vernon says he did everything he should have to obtain a permit to hold a meeting at the Tuley Park field house on the south side. He told the park supervisor he expected 150 to 200 people to attend, filled out the paperwork she gave him, paid a $100 fee, and walked away thinking he'd reserved a meeting room for the evening of June 30. The group that would be convening was Illinois Carry, an organization advocating for the right to bear concealed firearms."

But on Wednesday, a week before the scheduled date of the event, he got a call telling him his permit had been revoked.

Vernon says a Tuley Park official informed him he has to submit a new permit application that will be reviewed before he gets approval for the meeting. But when I contacted the park and asked about it, I was told the event had been canceled altogether.

Says Vernon: "This just sounds a whole lot like Daley's bullshit."

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Note: this article was written by Mick Dumke the same writer that Daley threatened with a rifle at a press event two weeks ago.

Doesn't sound like Daley is too fond of the 1st amendment either. Maybe an official Chicago state religion is next for him.

No guns, no freedom to assemble, no pesky press questions. Nice example with a "D" behind his name. <sarcasm>

[Hassin Bin Sober]

1. Tinley Park is NOT Chicago. It's a suburb.

[DonP]

2. Tuley Park in the Chatham area - not Tinley Park

Read it again.

But feel free to stand up for Daley anyway.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. LOL. I need glasses.

[DonP]

4. No problem

I grew up in Tinley Park and had to re-read the article twice before I caught it.

Our minds plug in what we think we see sometimes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. It's scary how that happens. I too read the whole article ...

... and apparently plugged in Tinley every time after my initial read.

Anyway, no fan of Da Mayor. Or "Shortshanks" as the coppers I know call him.

He rules by fiat with his pets in the city council rubber stamping most anything he wants. He sees the residents of Chicago and business owners as his own personal "fine-bots" placed here to shore up his budget. He sold us out to Morgan Stanley so now we pay our parking fees to a hedge fund. A 75 year contract all for what amounts to 6 months worth of operating budget. It's like having your marker turned over to a juice collector.

I've always been ambivalent to the hand gun ban. Now I lean toward repeal. Heck, I may or may not have a 9mm locked away in my home in violation of the law. My copper friends tell me if I ever get pinched I would likely get a slap on the wrist. I'm more worried about it being stolen than anything. I may even obtain a CCW if Illinois goes that route. CCws are a position I have changed, in no small part, due to debates I read here.

Where I part company with the pro-gun people is there knee-jerk opposition to sensible laws to prevent straw buyers purchasing unlimited amounts of weapons from south suburban shops to fuel the gang wars. My parents were friends with the (murdered Chicago officer) Ceriale family so my opinions on that were shaped by the investigations that showed how an inordinate amount of weapons used in shootings, including Ceriale's, were sold at the same handful of south suburban gun shops.

[one-eyed fat man]

6. Back up a second

Doesn't Illinois require an FOID to buy guns or ammunition? Don't all those shops still have to comply with Federal gun laws too? There should a boxcar full of paperwork and some investigators from the ATF, the state or the county be able to sift through and find enough EVIDENCE to prosecute somebody!

Is it not there or is it on the too hard to do list? And in the long haul what difference would it make since Cook county pleas away gun charges on felons routinely. Catch and release. Same cops keep arresting the same crooks so the same prosecutors can plea bargain them back onto the same streets and repeat the drill.

Chicago gets the government they deserve because they keep getting what they will tolerate!

[DonP]

9. Correct

Any purchase of a firearm or ammunition requires you to show your FOID card and another form of ID.

This is in addition to the usual NICS check. We also have a 3 day waiting period on handguns and a 1 day waiting period on any long guns. Same rules apply at any gun show. All FFL's are required to report any purchases of more than 2 guns to NICS and it usually involves extra waiting time on the background check. (I bought two matched SAA revolvers, not exactly the gang banger's 1st choice for drive-bys, and it took an extra day for my clearance to come through.)

The suburban gun stores are pretty wary of anyone from Cook County buying guns. Daley has done "sting" type purchases in the past with the County Sheriff, so many of them won't sell to anyone with a Chicago address. Certainly no handguns or "assault weapons". I've been in local gun shops and sen them turn people away and the people were really PO'd, but I understand the FFL concerns.

There has not been a gun store in the city limits, that I am aware of, for decades.

As far as prosecuting goes, we have a great record with former Governors. 4 out of the last 6 have been prosecuted and 3 convicted ... so far, Kerner, Walker, Ryan and now Blago is in the dock.

In the last 30 years Chicago has sent over 20, out of 50 aldermen to prison for bribery, kickbacks etc.

With all of that, not one of them has ever turned on Daley. Here's why. One guy, Morales (?), fled to Central America before he was scheduled to testify a few years back and magically his son got $40 million in city trucking contracts as a minority contractor. The son was only 18 years old when his "trucking company" was formed.

[one-eyed fat man]

10. Like I have said before,

The ONLY thing that has changed about Chicago politicians since the day Capone tossed the Mayor down the steps of City Hall is THEN, you knew for sure, who owned them!


Mayor Daley runs it down

[PavePusher]

7. If there were gun shops in Chicago proper...

the guns would be coming from there, right?

'Nearest source' doesn't automatically equal the shop doing anything illegal or even morally wrong.

[X_Digger]

8. And inversely..

What percentage of those business' transactions result in illegal activities?

If all the illegal guns in Chicago came from one shop (as you point out, could be the closest shop to chitown) but they represent 1% of the shop's sales, that throws a whole other light on it, doesn't it?

[Xenotime]

11. Safety of the population is first and foremost.

[Taitertots]

12. Then why haven't decades of draconian gun laws made them safe yet

[jazzhound]

13. One of the many huge flashing neon questions that the

pro-"control" crowd always mysteriously "overlooks".

[Taitertots]

14. It reminds me of a clip a saw on the soup of Spencer (the hills) talking about his magic crystals

His buddy tells him he doesn't think they are working because he is hyperventilating and red faced. His response, "I know they're not working thats why theres hundreds on me right now?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOgdL59WIMA

[Xenotime]

16. I was in Chicago recently and felt very safe. I think they are working.

[PavePusher]

17. Chicago's crime statistics...

say that your "feelings" are completely irrelevant to violating Citizens Civil Rights.

[X_Digger]

18. "I reject your reality and insert my own!"

Psst.. you might want to look up Chicago's recent crime stats.

[DonP]

19. 76 shot and 11 dead in 7 days - they're working great

The casualty rate in Chicago is far above that of Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

So because you "felt" safe the rule that only the law abiding need to be disarmed should stay in place?

Perhaps you'd like to meet with the families of the 11 that died in under 7 days to explain how safe they are?

[Taitertots]

20. Too bad objective measures of the situation prove that you are wrong

We use objective measurements instead of opinion.

[friendly_iconoclast]

15. Yeah, that free speech is *so* unsafe! Gotta prevent the peasantry from using it, amirite?

Geesh...

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Funny, that's what George W. Bush said a lot.