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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:09 PM Original message |
Why is there no middle ground on guns? |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. The NRA nt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's hard to meet in the middle when you're already standing on my toes. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Well like I said, there needs to be a middle ground |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Sad thing is, there's a pattern of not dealing in good faith. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. What if the NRA did the registraton? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. If there were written in stone controls on the data, maybe, yes. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
165. How would you feel about |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #165 |
183. I'm typing this real slow because it seems that some folks don't read real well. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Can you point out any person in |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. Do you know the history of Michigan's "safety check"? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
112. That was 1925 |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #112 |
141. "Aww Jim Crow? He's not so bad these days.." |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #141 |
155. 40 years ago, your getting closer. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. "Jim's an old codger, don't worry about him.." |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #161 |
172. You make a claim and can't back it up. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Here's an ISBN for you- 978-0884270331 |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. I got myself a copy a couple of months ago, but haven't been able to get |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think handguns should be difficult to own and carry. Folks can all have a rifle for all I care - |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I think fully auto Microuzis should be available, as long as you have passed a safety class |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
206. It's off the subject I know, but a friend of mine is nearly deaf and hearing aids don't do |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. There is no "assault weapons" ban - It expired automatically in September 2004 |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Gotcha. How come I can't own a Semi-Auto MicroUzi then? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. State law, not federal. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Ahhh makes sense |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Import ban - US Code section 925 (d) (3) |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Maybe he meant CA / NY / NJ? n/t |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
157. Only at a Federal level. California, Wash DC, NYC and other places are still suffer that kind of |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. A fingerprint database because of a crime someone might do in the future is not middle ground to me. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Yes but take an auto - the DMV has your license for a crime you may do in the future |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Only if you plan on driving down the street.. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. It's called a "Certificate of Non-Operation" |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Like I said, not where I live, or anywhere I've lived in the past. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Its so when the junked car on a hill rolls down and hits someone, they know who to sue |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. Technically, to park your car on the road it needs insurance. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. I have a car in the garage that hasn't been licensed in 7 years and don't need to |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
116. Not needed in Texas. N/T |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #116 |
135. Yeah - but if you have Marijuana they seize your home, stocks, paychecks and cars |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #135 |
160. Different subject. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
208. Maybe in Commiefornia. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. I think the primary reason for a DL is to verify operational status. |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. Here's your compromise. Stop selling new guns and ammo. Let the existing supply suffice. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You just proved my point... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. sharesunited wants only wealthy and politically connected people to be able to get firearms |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Some poor people turn in their guns in exchange for cash. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. A pittance that they will be forced to spend on bus fares, check cashing fees, and overpriced single |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Fewer guns means fewer criminals. You love guns too much. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Two unsupported conclusions in one sentence: |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. The trend in the US has been more guns and less crime |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. Make sure you are not confusing causation and correlation |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:28 AM Response to Reply #69 |
174. It makes sense as a response to "Fewer guns means fewer criminals" |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
87. Fewer guns means fewer criminals. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
119. No, fewer guns means criminals will switch to other deadly weapons, |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
130. Have any data to back that up? n/t |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Here, fixed it for you |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
71. Poor people also sell their blood for cash...what's your point? |
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katzenjammers (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
136. Ah, the Barney Fife rationale. No, thanks. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
17. My theory is guns haven't changed. People have. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I like the idea of firearms training in Jr High |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. In many of the places I've lived... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. Out there is the middle ground... |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
26. I oppose firearm licensing. I have no problem with owner licensing. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Agreed |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. If someone has 100+ weapons in his/her house |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. True true... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. High counts do not bother me in the least |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Doesn't bother me either. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #68 |
96. Perhaps - and maybe "collector" should be an identification |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
159. Collectors "(they tend to be techies) |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
64. The Branch Davidians in Waco had fewer firearms per capita... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
97. Bullshit. They had enough ammo to create an explosion |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
121. Read his post again. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #97 |
210. Ah. The explosion that would not have occured... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 05:38 AM Response to Reply #210 |
211. Yup, that'd be the one |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
74. What are they going to do with 100 guns... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Collectors are an interesting breed |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. That is a collection... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. IIRC, the siege at his compound was initiated by reports of child abuse |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. They were doing more than child abuse |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
213. Koresh could have been arrested in a dozen other ways. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #30 |
114. I have 200+ in my collection. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
145. I remember reading somewhere |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Would you feel the same way about a voting license? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Because the Second is the only amendment... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. That's why the right must be protected, yes. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. Massive Fail. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:34 PM Response to Reply #76 |
95. Not. At. All. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
149. Sorry, I should have been clearer. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
94. Is owning a gun a right or a privilege? |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #94 |
166. The bill of rights |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #166 |
185. Not so fast... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Err.. 1st.. "Congress shall pass no law" |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
209. Oooo, I'm good at this game. |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. I fully support being licensed in order to buy firearms and ammunition. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. I would take it a little differently...I support a firearms owners ID card so there is no waiting |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Please show me your First Amendment licence... |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
89. I would not oppose some sort of credential |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
113. Leaving aside constitutional issues, I agree in principle |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
115. Do you also agree with voter licensing? n/t |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
122. We've done that in Illinois. It isn't helping. |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. I don't know about fingerprint registration, but I'd support mandatory safety training. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. You can't legislate away stupid, unfortunately |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
29. There is. It's where most citizens are. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. a lot of people, majority for middle ground. arent we in middle ground |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Trends in opinions have changed over time.. here's some interesting data.. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. What? You don't want to go there and be dismissed as a 'racist?' |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #38 |
168. Nohandle complaining about people believing in absolutes? |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. I would like to see a system set up where a person who wanted to purchase |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. The problem with your approach is the licensing of a right |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. but you do have to register to vote.nt |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. But I dont have to show a picture ID and be approved by the Government |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. You do in WA. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
164. This is actually an excellent point |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Proof of citizenship. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. Proof of Citizenship is from PATRIOT act |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #101 |
152. For voting? Ummm.... did I miss a memo? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
162. No to buy a gun |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #162 |
167. Every time I have bought a gun, I have had to prove Citizenship. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #167 |
177. Yes - I am agreeing with you - however a NATIONAL citizenship check is due to the PATRIOT act |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. Gotchya. Sorry for the misunderstanding. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. May I see your Thirteenth Amendment licence please? n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
109. Point taken - but the 2nd amendment does specify "regulated" |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. You missed the point. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. "Well Regulated Militia" |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #111 |
124. "Regulation" (circa 2010) =/= "Well Regulated" (circa 1776) |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Regulation means Government Oversight |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. I have no arguments there. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. All the more reason I would want to check with property owners about this! |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. wrong reply. self delete. (n/t) |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Look I'm not anti-gun |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
151. Even if your aurgument held any validity... |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #110 |
158. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 04:06 AM Response to Reply #158 |
171. So let me get this straight |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Do I want restrictions on the 2nd? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #158 |
182. "Besides, far too many 2Aers are only law abiding citizens because the law currently suits them." |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #182 |
184. From personal experience and from reading posts here I have reason |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #184 |
187. You need to check your stats.. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Tell ya' what, I won't call you a liar if you don't call me one, okay? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #190 |
193. When you make a wild claim like that, expect to get called to back it up. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Yeah, I remember that and also know that you can transport firearms |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. Actually now, it just has to be concealed. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Okay, I can buy that absent absolute, positive, irrifutable evidence |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. Well, I'm still chewing on that baseball sized 'grain' of salt.. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. So, if a law was passed requiring registration of books... |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. So, okay, lets just drop the "law abiding" bit and go on about our |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #191 |
202. Your tone, word choice and continued conflations... |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #202 |
203. My sincere apolgy for offending you. It isn't the first time my dry sense of |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. My apologies as well... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
150. Sure... if you have a licence that lets you avoid slavery. |
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flamin lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #150 |
194. Yeah and you left out the well regulated part. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
42. Drizzle, drazzle, drozzle, drome |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. And into the dungeon it goes... |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. Because what you propose... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
51. OMG.. i cant believe i stepped into the gun room. how did that happen |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
81. Don't be a bigot. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
93. Although I think its a discussion EVERY AMERICAN needs to have |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
142. bah hahaha. ridiculous. you dont know squat about me. don't assume. i was teasing |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #142 |
153. My sincere apology. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. just a .... my oooops....., works for me. |
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shedevil69taz (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
55. The problem with registration |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. *nod* Here's some math.. |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Exactly |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies.. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. but what if it isn't the government doing the registration? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. We haven't even discussed efficiency. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. If I don't trust a government with my Constitutional Rights... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Good point |
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shedevil69taz (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. There are many measures that COULD solve |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Explain.... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
125. The problem is that "unalterable legal language" is instantly altered by lawyers. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
75. No, thank you. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Books and Guns are different things |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. It's the same to me. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. But your violation of rights depends on the action |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Should I have to take a test for voting? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Apples and Oranges |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
132. "Voting and Worshipping do not cause deaths" |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. So lemme get this right - do you think driving tests are wrong? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #106 |
133. No, because I use public roads. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
98. OK - let's start from square one. You are a cop. You are handling a domestic disturbance case. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. The LEO might but he doesn't have the legal grounds to violate the rights of anyone living there. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. The Brits went off registration logs and went house to house! |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #104 |
134. No, it's not. |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
147. The Brits went off registration logs and went house to house! |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. Oh my god ! They took away their guns!!! How will they live???? nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #163 |
169. It's not about guns. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
178. I'm amazed so many are unable to grasp those simple concepts |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. I'm always amazed at the disconnect. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #163 |
188. Rather poorly. They have a hot burglary rate much higher than ours. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #188 |
200. There's a mountain of statistics that the pro-control folks love to ignore. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. And how would a cop know, if one or more had been acquired illegally? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Well yeah - but if one is registered there, they would know the gun is probably there |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Cops *always* approach domestic cases as if someone may be armed |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Point made - although sometimes preparing can influence the outcome |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #108 |
131. So what difference does it make? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
126. How will he know if the place may not have illegal guns there? |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:57 AM Response to Reply #98 |
173. Everyone's armed. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
120. Here's MY offer- Take the "McDonald pledge", and we'll talk. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
123. I have a concealed weapons permit. Therefore I am a registered gun owner ... |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
138. Middle ground implies compromise... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Comprimise is good |
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Travis Coates (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
143. Has anyone pointed out the obvious yet? |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
144. "Fewer guns means fewer criminals. You love guns too much." |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
146. I like the tattooed bar code on the gun owners forehead with matching gun tag concept... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #146 |
154. Cool! Next we can hand out these... |
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east texas lib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #154 |
192. Thanks for the link.. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-10 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
148. Count me as one of those that will NEVER compromise... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 03:49 AM Response to Reply #148 |
170. Agreed |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #148 |
201. +1 n/t |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-15-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
197. Define the middle ground? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
205. I believe we have found a workable middle ground ... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
207. It won't be effective but at least its SOMETHING! |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
212. It s simple. |
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