This is surely a parody, but it is funny.

[SmokingLoon]

Obviously, this is a joke, but it does have a grain of truth to it. If faced with home invasion, I hope your options are better than this:

http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/snivel.htm

Hope that everybody had an excellent Christmas.

edit to say...Don't automatically assume that I mean a gun. I mean options...have them...

[SheilaT]

1. That's great!

I especially like the part about not letting anyone else get in your way when you flee.

[Paladin]

2. This Site Is Every Bit As Funny........

.....as the rest of the far right-wing sites you RKBAers have to resort to, over and over again, for support of your position on guns. Helpful Hint: If you're trying to win Democrats over to your side of the gun argument, using an organization that sells Bill of Rights toilet paper for liberals' bathrooms isn't very prudent.......

[MrBenchley]

3. Hey, Paladin, elsewhere in the folder

You'll find some of the RKBA crowd pimping for freepers and trying to cheerlead for a AshKKKroft boondoggle.

[the_acid_one]

4. You'll also find...

...the anti-rkba crowd pimping for Republican Sara Brady and pretending that the first thing every dealer slides you at a gun show is something besides a Form 4473

[MrBenchley]

5. A million laughs from the RKBA crowd

inlcuding the idea that there's no gun show loophole.

[the_acid_one]

7. There's no loophole...

...at gun shows that doesnt apply everywhere else.

The law is the law, and it doesnt suspend itself at gun shows.

Disprove me if you like, but any dealer you try and buy a gun from is going to slide you a Form 4473 first thing.

I got scolded by a dealer one time for having a friend fill out my form 4473 with my information, while I was right there. (my handwriting is horrid, I always have other people assist me with important paperwork)


Not much of a loophole.

[MrBenchley]

9. Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre.....

[the_acid_one]

11. Prove it.

[MrBenchley]

12. Happy to...

Close the Gun Show Loophole!

http://www.cdfactioncouncil.org/gunshow%20loophole.htm

"Criminals should not be able to walk into a gun show and buy firearms. But they do.
    The federal Brady law requires a background check of gun purchasers, but there is a hole in the law that Congress annually refuses to patch. The law requires federally licensed gun dealers to check the backgrounds of would-be buyers, but the law does not apply the same requirement to unlicensed sellers. This loophole is particularly worrisome at gun shows, where investigations by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms have reported that criminals are able to buy guns. "

http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Sep/09242003/opinion/95203.asp

"While the 106th Congress has been unable to pass any gun safety legislation, two states have just approved a major priority of the Conference of Mayors: closing the gun show loophole.
The gun show loophole allows non-licensed individuals to sell firearms at gun shows without conducting a background check on a purchaser.
Colorado and Oregon closed this loophole by voter referendum. The action in Colorado came after the state legislature failed to approve a similar measure despite bi-partisan support including that of Republican Governor Bill Owens, and despite the tragedy of the Columbine High School shootings. Weapons used at Columbine were purchased at a gun show.
Denver Mayor Wellington E. Webb helped lead the effort on the Colorado initiative, which passed with almost 70 percent approval. The Conference of Mayors "Wall of Gun Deaths" was prominently displayed in Denver City Hall as part of the effort to close the gun show loophole in the state. "

http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/us_mayor_newspaper/documents/11_20_00/gun_show.htm


"In Hillsborough County, you can't buy a gun without filling out a form, waiting three days and passing a background check. But in Pasco and Polk counties, you can go to a gun show, hand over some cash, and walk out with just about any kind of weapon you want.
Each of Florida's counties can close the gun show loophole. Politicians in Polk and Pasco counties have chosen to leave it open, and the criminals know it. "

http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories/2003/11/031124guns.shtml

"Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
"We need to get guns off our streets and out of our schools. To do this, we need to start by making sure that every gun bought in the United States is checked and registered. You have to have a registration to drive a car. You should also have to have a registration to own a gun. I am proud to be a cosponsor of Senator Reed's legislation to close the gun show loophole. This bill is an important step in the right direction."

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY)
"Keeping guns out of the hands of criminals is a goal we all share. Closing the gun show loophole will help protect our children and families from the crimes that result when criminals get guns from shows in the thirty-two states that do not require this common sense safety measure.""

http://www.senate.gov/~reed/releases/remarks.htm

[Withergyld]

15. Your own source proves you are wrong :)

From you first cite
"The federal Brady law requires a background check of gun purchasers, but there is a hole in the law that Congress annually refuses to patch. The law requires federally licensed gun dealers to check the backgrounds of would-be buyers, but the law does not apply the same requirement to unlicensed sellers. This loophole is particularly worrisome at gun shows, where investigations by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms have reported that criminals are able to buy guns."

There is NO gunshow loophole. It is a private sale loophole.

Less the 1% of criminals buy their firearms at gunshows.
40% get them form an illegal (black market) source.
40% get them from a friend or family member.

I can see that by stopping 1% of criminals from buying firearms will make a huge reduction in criminal misuse of firearms.

[MrBenchley]

16. What a steaming pantload.

<sarcasm>THAT's why the NRA spends more money than it has keeping this bill and others bottled up in committee... </sarcasm>

Amazing how blatantly dishonest and desperate the RKBA crowd can be.

[Withergyld]

18. What specific part of my post was a "Pantload"

In the first part I quoted your own source.

The rest is based on a survey you have seen several times. I will post ANOTHER link to it for you

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

I challenged you last time to come up with another source to refute the numbers from this survey

[MrSandman]

19. I've posted the link, too

I think it doesn't always work...LOL

[MrBenchley]

20. What part WASN'T?

[Withergyld]

21. So you admit the cite you gave was a "pantload"????

That is a first!

[MrBenchley]

23. Spin and spin, with...your post is still a pantload

when all is said and done.

Now go tell some other fetishist "there is no gun show loophole"....then the two of you can laugh your asses off at this "humor site.."

[Withergyld]

24. The gunshow loophole discussed at length

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=14309

My post is based on one of your cites and a suvery published by the National Institute of Justice. As far as crediblilty goes I'll stick with the NIJ.

[MrBenchley]

35. And the thread didn't age into honesty

over two months.

If you want to pretend there's no gun show loophole, I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

[Withergyld]

44. I'm not pretending... There is No Gunshow loophole

:hi:

[MrSandman]

22. The second half of Wither's post wasn't

since the DoJ has determined that only 1% of armed criminals obtain guns at gun shows/flea markets.

The first half was because it attempts to imply that the volume of sales by private parties matches the volume by licensed dealers.

[Withergyld]

25. you misunderstood the intent of my post

I quoted Mr.B's cite to show that the laws governing the sale of firearms are the same regardless if the sale is at a gunshow, a gun shop or a parking lot.

The second part was to show that at least 80% of the source criminals use to get firearms would NOT be prevented by closing the "gunshow" loophole.

edited for speeeling

[MrSandman]

29. I was replying to the question of "What part wasn't?"

I was saying that a previous post was called a pantload by the poster. (1st half)
Trying to make the point of an honest to goodness cited source exposing Gun Show Loophole. Also note the % of military-style weapons used by armed criminals according NIJ/DoJ: AWB is another sham.

[the_acid_one]

31. Bravo!

You've proved.....nothing.

You pointed to a bunch of quotes by a bunch of people who obviously dont even know what they're talking about. One of them even went as far as admitting that the so called "gun show loophole" is dishonestly named at best.

For one thing, it's not even a real "loophole", as the law was designed to apply to dealers, not to individuals selling private property.

Secondly, it hardly applys only at "gun shows"...the same laws apply everywhere. It doesnt matter whether the transaction takes place at a gun show, or in my backyard, it's the same type of sale.

Basically you've proved your sources are either dishonest, uninformed, or both. Way to go Bench!

Next you're going to tell me how the Colt SAA can be easily converted to full auto, right?

[MrBenchley]

37. Hahahahahahahahaha!

<sarcasm>Yeah, everybody is lying except for a handful of gun fetishists, some of the scummiest Republicans around, and the crooked gun industry....</sarcasm>

Boy-o-boy, what a barrel of monkeys THIS right wing asswipe's website turned out to be...

[MrSandman]

32. Offering opinions is no proof

"We need to get guns off our streets and out of our schools. To do this, we need to start by making sure that every gun bought in the United States is checked and registered. You have to have a registration to drive a car.

I have two daughters who can drive a car w/o registration in their name. I can drive all over my property without registration. False, false, false.

Does the Senator mean to imply that if I agree to her registration, I can carry my gun in every state...just like driving the car?




"In Hillsborough County, you can't buy a gun without filling out a form, waiting three days and passing a background check. But in Pasco and Polk counties, you can go to a gun show, hand over some cash, and walk out with just about any kind of weapon you want.

So what? This make Hillsborough County safer how? Oh, I forgot, criminals just cross the county line. At least the 1% who get their guns at a gun show.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf

[1a2b3c]

27. And there you have it

The proof weve been looking for.

[the_acid_one]

30. Dont you know?

The only "proof" anti's really need for their assertions are that they wish it was true.

[MrSandman]

13. The DoJ agrees there is no Gun Show Loophole

DoJ study has found that 2% of armed criminals used a military-style semiautomatic rifle or machine gun and fewer than 2% obtained their guns at a gun show or flea market.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf


My belief is anyone hollering "gun show loophole" is misinformed or wanting to regulate ALL private firearms transactions...as if criminals obey another law.

[1a2b3c]

26. A million laughs from the crowd that knows everything

A gun show loophole. Catchy phrase.

[Valarauko]

38. Freedom is not a loophole (nt)

nt

[the_acid_one]

6. Who would have guessed...

...that gun owners are starting to get annoyed that a certain political party is continually alienating them.

Some notable characters with a D by their name are continually screaming for banning this and banning that and gun owners arent supposed to notice?

Of course they're fucking pissed, the democratic party sells them down the river time and time again on the gun issue and then we're shocked they dont support democrats?

I know several union types who dont vote democratic because of the gun issue, even though they're otherwise democrats.

The shrill anti-gun screams of a few have turned the heads of many.

[MrBenchley]

8. Too frigging funny....

"I know several union types who dont vote democratic because of the gun issue, even though they're otherwise democrats."
Ever notice how many of these RKBA types claiming to know "union gun owners" also claim to be in right to work states? Wonder which union we're talking about?
Any of those that make up the AFL-CIO? They're on the NRA hate list.
The American Federation of Teachers? They're on the NRA hate list.
The International Ladies` Garment Workers` Union? They're on the NRA hate list.

But, hey, it's not a gun control group selling the "hilarious" Bill of Rights toilet paper, now, is it? It's another bunch of rancid right wing loonies that th RKBA crowd is happily snuggling up to. You guys have just the nicest playmates....

[the_acid_one]

10. Rrrright.....

Uhm, the welders union in this case, laughs...a friend of mine, his father, and his brother (and they know others like them, but i've never met them so i cant say). They're all professional welders, they're all union members, they all own firearms, they're deffinitly not republican, and they all dont vote democratic because this party has stabbed them in the back on that issue.

Cant say I blame them. Why should gun owners support the democratic party when the democratic party doesnt support gun owners? It's really simple... a lot of gun owners are one issue voters, or at the very least put a lot of weight on this issue. The shrieking of the anti's has ensured that at least 70% of gun owners (an estimated 80 million) wont touch the democratic party with a 10 foot pole.

The HCI site may be "selling" (they're not really) Bill of Rights toilet paper. But it's the anti-gunners who are indeed using the Bill Of Rights as toilet paper, and portraying the entire democratic party as being gun hating extremists in the process.

[MrBenchley]

14. Yeah, surrrrrrrrre.....

"Why should gun owners support the democratic party when the democratic party doesnt support gun owners? "
Koresh knows that nothing is as important to fetishists as their fetish object...not the economy, not the welfare of others, not national security, not the envirronment.....nothing but their popguns.

"The shrieking of the anti's has ensured that at least 70% of gun owners (an estimated 80 million) wont touch the democratic party with a 10 foot pole."
Not even close to true...as that DLC memo the RKBA crowd was waving around showed.
--90% of Americans want to close the gun show loophole
--86% want increased penalties for gun trafficking, just like Charles Schumer proposes
--79% want background checks for ALL firearm transactions
--77% want an assault weapons ban....
--67% want ALL firearms registered

"The HCI site may be "selling" (they're not really) Bill of Rights toilet paper."
The artwork says it all...anybody who would lie about what the Second Amendment means, as the RKBA crowd does routinely, shows what they really think of the Bill of Rights...

http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/hci_catalog.htm



As former Chief Justice Warren Burger said, " has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, repeat the word 'fraud,' on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." And what a special interest group, too...racist, corrupt and extremist to the point of lunacy.

By the way, some more "humorous" stuff from this right wing cesspool....


Does the RKBA crowd EVER read anything sane people read?

[1a2b3c]

28. well i am union

or was before i moved. In 2000 i voted for nader. I could bring myself to vote gore. It wasnt just his registry system but that sure didnt hurt in making my decision.

[MrSandman]

45. UMWA

[MrBenchley]

17. More from this "humorous" site....

"I just got sent your site from a friend, it is great! enough said, oh yeh.. Sara Brady and Janet Reno were caught screwing each other today, (no suprise) but the dildos were shaped like toy guns!!!!!!! ha ha ha ha WW"

"Sarah B. is a b-i-tch.  Keep up the great site.  I'm gonna fwd a link to many many people.   BTW, I am writing a parody for gun control, I'll Email you a copy when it's done. M"

"Josh, (or whoever this may concern)        
It's great to see this type of approach to the Liberal, Gun Control Jerk-offs.   Fellow gun owners and gun rights advocates are going to have to do like you did and take their threats, claims and beliefs for what they are....Bull Sh*t..... something that deserves nothing more than a laugh. When gun owners start crying and moaning about gun control organizations, they are lowering themselves to "Liberal Level".  I always vote and I make sure that the candidates who I'm voting for will protect my interests as a hunter/gun owner. (A good way to do this is to check the list of candidates who the NRA supports)  Also, if someone's interested in protecting their 2nd amendment rights, keeping an updated membership to the NRA (along with any contributions that he or she can afford) is crucial.           Keep up the good work on the site.  Very entertaining. (plus, seeing anything that gets the Liberals in an uproar is always bonus :-) )           Sincerely,          
C.L."

http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/fan_mail_3.htm

[souphound]

33. MrBenchley How many gun shows have you been to?

[MrBenchley]

36. Enough to last me a lifetime

[demsrule4life]

40. Don't know why

I just can't imagine you at a gun show.

[souphound]

41. Another non answer from MrBenchley

[MrBenchley]

42. Tough titty...

[demsrule4life]

43. Another deep thought brought to you by the

anti's.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

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[solinvictus]

34. Gun Ban Supporters

Here's where I get painfully blunt. Guess what? If the "assault weapon" ban stays in its current form, we still get to purchase Kalashnikov clones and semi-automatic AR-15 rifles. Here's the kicker; when it sunsets in September, we'll get to purchase Kalashnikov clones again with folding stocks, bayonets, and those evil "banana clips" you love to whine about. It's a win/win situation because the AWB and gun control as a whole is a dead political issue.