My latest 'toy'

[GregW]

In case you aren't familiar with it, the Cx4 Storm is a Beretta carbine built on what looks to be a FS 92 frame. It's now available in 9 MM and will be offered later in .40 SW and .45 ACP.

Reason I went with 9 MM is the ammo is dirt cheap (either Walmart white-box or reloads) and the abundance of preban hicap mags.

Takedown is REALLY easy, and with picatinny rails added, folks are doing LOTS of fun things with them:

[cprise]

1. Stalin would have loved it

[Hrumph]

6. Care to explain

this statement,


Or are you simply trolling?





I'm guessing the latter.

[alwynsw]

2. Congrats!

I just love new toys. (I keep whispering "Kimber" in my wife's ear as she sleeps.)

I think I'd like one of yours in the .45.

[madrchsod]

3. i just don`t like the design

of these new rifles. give me an old bolt action or carbine. the gun i should have bought and i didn`t was a ww2 british "jungle" rifle. very small with a short barrel and a flash surpresser. oh well, i`ll stick with my 22bolt action rat gun...

[7th_Sephiroth]

4. i'm starting up a website to help me pay

for a PSG-1

[Hrumph]

5. Do you already know

where to find one? PSG-1 hasn't been imported for quite some time - Since the 1st Bush butthole signed the first AW ban. If you CAN find one available, plan to pay a BUNCH for it!

[7th_Sephiroth]

10. yeah

i have a friend who runs a pawnshop and he got one, works great, and he's giving it to me at a discount of $1,000

[the_acid_one]

7. Pretty slick.

Nice toy ya got there. I hope it's as fun to shoot as it looks. Now you just need some 30 round Beretta magazines, then you're really all set ;)

[Withergyld]

8. I picked this up Yesterday

I paid for it Friday, but my NICS was delayed. I was "approved" on Monday.

[Valarauko]

11. NICS delayed?

That sucks.

[GRClarkesq]

9. Where did the barrel shroud come from?

Just curious, I dont think it cam eform the factory.

Perhaps get a new Vertec as a companion?

[Paladin]

12. Question About Your "Toy," GregW

Do you intend on showing this weapon to everybody you know, or are there certain people (employment supervisors, significant others, relatives, neighbors, law enforcement acquaintances) that you're going to leave out of the loop, due to concern over how their opinions of you might change?

[the_acid_one]

13. Dumb question.

Of course there are people that he's going to "leave out of the loop". He's not obligated to inform everyone he knows that he owns a really neat looking firearm.

This is a very baiting question to make it look like gun owners are ashamed to be gun owners.

I dont tell everyone I know a lot of things about me. I dont tell most people that I study martial arts. Is it because I am "concerned over their opinions"? Fuck no. It's just a matter of why would I tell them such things without a reason?

Point of fact....If he DID go around telling everyone he just bought a new gun and showing pictures of it, it could be misconstrued as "threatening", or "hinting" that he was planning on doing something illegal with said firearm.

[Paladin]

14. You Said It, I Didn't

"....it could be misconstrued as 'threatening' or 'hinting' that he was planning on doing something illegal...."

Not exactly the reaction he'd get if he was showing off some new golf clubs.......

[demsrule4life]

15. I'm one of the lucky ones

I really don't give a shit what people think of me. Only thing people have to know about me is that I am dependable and can be counted on.

[the_acid_one]

16. Indeed Indeed.

But the fact is, that doesnt reflect poorly on him, nor is it something he should be ashamed of.

It's not his problem if most people are chicken shits.

So what exactly was your point? Did you have one, or was it just baiting?

[Valarauko]

17. Paladin, I play D&D.

I don't tell that to many people I know.

[79Ramchargerfan]

18. Kinda cool

however after my P99 incident i wont buy another plastic gun.

where did you get the barrel shroud?

[79Ramchargerfan]

19. Kinda cool

however after my P99 incident i wont buy another plastic gun.

where did you get the barrel shroud?

[Columbia]

27. What happened w/ your P99?

Just wondering because I have one too...

[Fescue4u]

20. What kind of question is that?

Do you wave your underware around to your boss? or are you afraid he might not like what you wear?

If not dont, then you must feel that underware must be banned.

[Paladin]

21. Nice One

Your powers of logic and persuasion are every bit as impressive as your spelling and grammatical abilities.....

[79Ramchargerfan]

22. paladin are you anti gun?

you seem to be a bit offended by his showing of his new Berreta

[Paladin]

23. I'm Not Anti-Gun.......

...although I'm sure there are some in this forum who would dispute that. What I'm against is criminals, psychos and assorted other assholes having easy access to guns, and the apparent determination of the RKBA crowd to see that nothing is done about it.

And I don't have any strong feelings about GregW's "toy," but I think the responses to my initial question are highly interesting. You pro-gunners try to convince everybody that firearms are just harmless objects, no different than toasters or pencils, but it's obvious that you guys don't buy into that notion, not really. This thread proves that, big time......

[the_acid_one]

24. Care to try for door number 3?

Criminals and "psycho's" are already barred from having arms. The only other law that might assist is to make NICS available to civilians and get them to use it. Other then that, any other law affects law abiding citizens more then criminals.

Secondly. Guns are harmless. Guns, or any weapon, combined with irresponsibility is what causes problems.

Now, while we may call our weapons "toys" and readily admit to having "fun" with them we are among the first to point out that these are deadly weapons, and like all weapons, possession warrants using care and responsibility.

Our argument is a simple one. A gun is an inanimate object, like a toaster or a pencil. It has no intent and does absolutely nothing on it's own. People however will misuse gun's...and pencils and toasters...for whatever reasons to harm their fellows. The problem, quite frankly, is people.

A gun will hurt you more then a pencil or a toaster. But just sitting on a shelf a gun is every bit as benign and harmless as a pencil or a toaster.

And your orginal "question" wasnt a question at all, it was plain and simple baiting, and not paticularly clever either.

Some individuals dont like guns for whatever reason. If your boss is one of those individuals, well...while they cant fire you for owning guns, they might feel inclined to look for reasons to fire you based on their political agenda. If your co-workers dont like guns they might start spreading rumors about you. It's simple office politics.

BTW, as for telling LEO's...what the fuck is he supposed to do, walk up to a police officer and go "Hey cop, I have a gun"?

If he's friends with a LEO, he might tell them, but jeez..why tell anyone but his friends? Every time I read that "question" it gets dumber and dumber.

[Paladin]

25. You're Protesting Too Much

If you don't like my original question, why don't you quit dwelling on it and calling attention to it, and doing everything possible to persuade me to ask it again in the future?

And spare me the "guns are inanimate objects" claim, OK? In spite of my pro-control views, I find GregW's "toy" to be a lot less animate than you assault rifle enthusiasts do. That photo clearly sends shivers up you guys' spines, touching off no telling what sort of Rambo-esque fantasies; it does no more for me than a pencil or a toaster.......

[the_acid_one]

26. "It does no more for me than a pencil or a toaster"

Then why even bother posting your "question" in the first place?



If you don't like my original question, why don't you quit dwelling on it and calling attention to it, and doing everything possible to persuade me to ask it again in the future?

If you ask it in the future I'm probably going to dwell on it and call attention to it then to. I never did like dead horses...
You bait, I bite, what did you expect to happen? ;)

[79Ramchargerfan]

28. great.....im gonna get flamed

quoting Paladin

"And I don't have any strong feelings about GregW's "toy," but I think the responses to my initial question are highly interesting. You pro-gunners try to convince everybody that firearms are just harmless objects, no different than toasters or pencils, but it's obvious that you guys don't buy into that notion, not really. This thread proves that, big time......"

Guns are dangerous items. NO doubt about it. it takes a moron too kill himself or his partner with a toaster or a pencil. however its real easy to make a mistake with a loaded weapon.

unfortunately any 18 year old idiot can walk into wall mart an pick a Sam Walton's special "Boom Stick". there is no doubt in my mind on that.
same thing with a car. i am an avid 4 wheeler (look at the tag name)
any idiot can buy a insert brand _________ an go "wheelin"
its fun to pull em out.......its not fun to roll em back over.

but to fear them is to be ignorant. to ban them because of fear is stupid.
most people get fire arm training from good ol uncle "Bill" on grandads 12 guage. or there dad took them shooting. some got it from Uncle Sam.

any training is good training as long as they get the 4 fundamentals.

1. treat every gun as if it was loaded
2. dont point a gun at anything you dont want to destroy
3. be sure of your back drop (shooting area..whats behind it?)
4. keep your finger off the trigger till your ready to shoot!

you can pretty much screw up one of those rules an still be safe. violate 2 of them an thats when you have an accident

my point is dont fear the weapon. fear the person an make them own up to there actions. quit blaming inanimate objects.

we dont sue chevy for drunk drivers accidents or manslaughter charges do we? then why sue bushmaster for someoene using there product improperly?

i do believe since we have profiency checks for driver's license's we should have the same for guns. however we dont limit how many cars a person can own, or how many people it can hold or how much horsepower it has then we shouldnt do that with guns. if they are a good upstanding citizen why not let em buy what they want? free country still, right? it helps the economy.

punish the criminal not the public

[Paladin]

29. For A Dead Horse......

....my question sure is generating some lively comments. It's going to be hard to resist asking it in the future, whenever one of you guys throws up a picture of yet another Mattel With Hollowpoints acquisition. Feel free to dwell; it's entertaining.....

[MrBenchley]

31. And what a good question it was, too....

[MrSandman]

32. More like automobiles...

Treated with respect, very safe, fun, and, potentially, useful. Treated with contempt, very dangerous and deadly. As for the individual, I have a 1994 pickup w/ >180,000 mi that I keep running that does me very fine.
Yes, I do admire the aesthetic value of a well-designed firearm while not having strong feelings about automobiles. I don't assume that there is anything inherently wrong about someone wanting an auto that travels 70 mph above any speed limit.


"This thread proves that, big time......"

exactly how does it prove that?


"apparent determination of the RKBA crowd to see that nothing is done about it."

Every time a gun is purchased from a dealer a NICS check is submitted to by the purchaser, with very specific exceptions for previously approved individuals. This is to prevent criminals, psychos and assorted other assholes having easy access to guns.

[MrSandman]

30. Actually,I often shoot and hunt with a couple deputies, a local pd

member, and two state law enforcement acquaintances(Trooper and C.O.).

If I were stopped by a law enforcement officer, they would be told I had a gun before my hands left the steering wheel. It is for my safety as well as law enforcement officer's peace of mind. Not informing a law enforcement officer would be a greater catalyst to a poor opinion.

They all know I CC most of the time. Not all of them have seen all my weapons. I don't show all my neighbors because I don't want them to know the value and be tempted to finance their bad habits with my valuables.

If by "significant others" you mean my wife and children, they are glad I have guns.

Employment supervisors?? Some yes, some no. It's not their opinion. They all know I am a gun owner. Some have no interest in guns. Some would rather admire my archery equipment. Some would rather admire my co-worker's new shoes.

I also resent that any one would assume I am suspect because I engage in a lawful activity that they find, uh disagreeable. That is a bad prejudice.

In my experience, I have found that people I know place more import on what I have done rather than what I own, maybe I am lucky in acquaintances.

ed to add coma...

[treader]

33. Cant you be banned for Pro Gun views here?

I thought that the ideals here is anti gun. It is the gun croud who gave away the last election in 2000. it is like you are sticking your gun views in my face. You have a gun and I dont. That is no good. Guns make YOU powerful. I fear that power, and you intimidate people who dont want guns around.

When the UN removes the constitution, the UN will destroy your thought of possessing these killing tools. Just because THE FEDERALIST PAPERS in Madison 46 talks of the citizens right to own guns for the protection of rights from government, those gun rights are no longer needed in a global society where government holds all weapons and armies will be invincible and global. Private gun ownership will only create violence that will effect children if a band of armed rebels tries anything.

[alwynsw]

34. All I can say is that your "points" seem childlike in their simplicity

First: Porgressive does not mean anti-RKBA, nor does it necessarily mean pro-RKBA

It's a somewhat pleasant thought (a completely peaceful and caring world), but an impossibility for the foreseeable future. We only need to look at current events - forget history - to see what happens in areas that attempt to eliminate private firearms ownership. Check the firearms availability for private citizens in - let's say North Korea or Chicago - for example.

BTW: it's AFFECT children, unless you mean to imply that violence will produce children.

[alphafemale]

35. No. Good thing too. n/t