Special-ed teacher shot dead in Washington

[MichaelHarris]

"Jennifer Paulson, who taught children with reading disabilities at an elementary school in Tacoma, was shot by a man against whom she had an anti-harassment order, authorities say."

"Fulghum said Waits was arrested Feb. 19 when Paulson called police to say that Waits had turned up again, in violation of the order. Waits' bail was raised to $10,000 at the request of the Pierce County prosecutor's office Monday morning, but he was able to post it." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-tacoma-shooting27-2010feb27,0,3474631.story

Out of jail on the 19th, killing people on the 27th. We need more guns.

[Pavulon]

1. Yes we do. More beer too.

I mean all those people who drink and kill people behind the wheel are not responsible for their actions, the alcohol is.

YOu do realize that this has been tried, and failed, miserably.

[MichaelHarris]

2. Wanna see fail?

read your "probably used the bolt action rifle" post. Did you just miss the AR15 and empty clips laying around thing? Yes more beer.

[Pavulon]

3. Magazines..The stoner rifle is magazine fed

and his choice of rifle is irrelevant to me. It is irrelevant to the people he shot. Being shot with a 243 or 556 nato is an equally shitty experience.

Like I said, a drunk drivers favorite beer is irrelevant to me or my actions.

[MichaelHarris]

4. yeah

your right, faster drinking, faster loading, higher power, more capacity beer is irrelevant.

[Pavulon]

5. To be clear, people who use rifles to kill for a paycheck use bolt action weapons.

they are based off of a 100 year old design and are used in wars to this day. If you want to make people duck you shoot at them with in full auto. If you want to kill them you use optics and aimed fire.

Not all that fast. The act is important, you drive drunk and kill you own that. You cant blame bud light, you own that act.

What is your point, you want to ban semi automatic rifles?

[PavePusher]

6. Seriously, why does the style/model/calibre/color...

...of the weapon matter? Is someone shot with a red-trimmed AR in 5.56mm any more or less wounded/dead than someone shot with a .223cal bolt-action with a walnut stock?

Shouldn't the focus be on intent of the person?

[benEzra]

8. Higher power than what? .22 rimfire?

Quick, name five common centerfire rifle calibers less powerful than .223 Remington.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. Does the .30 carbine count as rifle?

5.45x39
.30 carbine
.300 whisper
.338 whisper
???

[benEzra]

14. Even if you call it one...

...it doesn't help much. Also, I wouldn't call most of those common calibers; I have been shooting for over 25 years and have never seen a Whisper of whatever variety in person, for example.

The only ones I can think of less powerful than .223, other than .30 carbine, are rare oddballs or antiques. .204 Ruger, .17 Remington, .218 Bee, .22 Hornet, and a few 19th-century blackpowder cartridges intended for lever-actions.

Suggesting that .223 Remington is more powerful than "regular" rifles is like saying that a stock Prius or base Cooper Mini are more powerful than "regular" cars, which is laughable.

[Callisto32]

16. .22 Hornet

Does .218 Bee count as common?

[benEzra]

21. I would say no; I've never personally seen one.

I actually can't think of 5 common centerfire rifle calibers less powerful than .223; the only ones I can think of are .30 carbine (if you classify it as a rifle round) and a few oddballs or antiques.

[Callisto32]

23. Hornet is still used around here and is a staple on the local dealers' shelves.

But then again, some people may say that the culture around here is antique!

[beevul]

10. Here, I'll show you fail, Mike.

"Injured Boy and Father Had Filled Grenade With Black Powder, Sheriff Says"

http://www.theledger.com/article/20100219/NEWS/100219709

Wilmette Murder-Suicide: Husband Shot Family With Civil War Replica Gun, Had Killed Previous Wife

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/03/wilmette-murder-suicide-h_n_171573.html




Do set an example for us all, and give YOURS up, mkay? :rofl:

[MichaelHarris]

13. Wanna have a contest?

I'll find all the crimes committed with blackpowder weapons in the last 20 years and you find all the crimes committed with assault type rifles. Come on, lets see who can find the most. You'll really see fail then.

[Katya Mullethov]

15. There is really no need for that

Just ban them both .

[PavePusher]

17. "Black-powder" weapons are obsolete and merely used...

to get through loopholes in the laws. Obviously they should be banned.

They are only used by a small minority of the firearms community and thus getting rid of them will have a minimal impact on anyone of consequence, and further innoculate the masses to additional bans in the future. They have no legitimate sporting usage, fire as many as 3 or 4 rounds per minute (way to many for hunting purposes), have long barrels for additional accuracy and thus increased lethality (this can only be needed for shooting people), and if, you use the pistol varients, you could carry as many as 6 or 8 of them concealed under a large coat.

Can you imagine the slaughter? A shooter, firing recklessly through the clouds of smoke at his helpless victims....

[beevul]

18. You already lost, mike.

"I'll find all the crimes committed with blackpowder weapons in the last 20 years and you find all the crimes committed with assault type rifles. Come on, lets see who can find the most. You'll really see fail then."

I'll take that as tacit admission that crimes committed with black powder firearms are acceptable, to you.


Or you could set an example for us all, and give YOURS up. Otherwise known as putting your money where your mouth is.

Might stop one from being viewed as a hypocrit.

[MichaelHarris]

24. I have my list

how about you?

[X_Digger]

25. Here's my list..

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_20.html

Knives - 1,897
Hands, fists, feet, etc. - 861
Shotguns - 444
Rifles - 375

When are you going to call for banning knives? Or hands, fists, and feet!

Oh I forgot, you like to do "research" via the media, rather than actual facts.

[MichaelHarris]

26. yea

well that's not really what we are talking about now is it? Got any more stupid attempts at spin?

[X_Digger]

27. Oh the "my guns are fine, yours suck" spin? No, none of that. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

22. Fortunately both will be legal as long as I'm alive.

[xchrom]

7. Recommend

[Katya Mullethov]

9. In and out of jail ?

A commonly recurring theme is it ?

K & R !

[Euromutt]

12. Release on bail + firearm = illegal possession

Being out on bail, the guy was already prohibited from possessing a firearm, plus the guy was a stalker. This is not a case of "he was a law-abiding citizen up to the moment he pulled the trigger."

I have to commend Tacoma PD/Pierce Co. Sheriff's Office for taking a restraining order seriously enough to actually make an arrest for violating one. That's rare enough.

[GreenStormCloud]

19. He was a criminal doing a criminal thing.with an ILLEGALLY owned gun.

How would taking away my legally owned guns help that situation?

[spin]

20. My daughter had a restraining order against a stalker ...

the only reason we could figure for his stalking was the fact that he was also stalking one of my daughter's friends who he had once had a relationship with. The current boyfriend of my daughter's friend was rooming at our house.

The stalker who I nicknamed "the cockroach" had a past history of violence including resisting arrest and assault on a police officer and a number of DUIs. He was somewhat menacing and appeared to enjoy scaring women. He worked as an auto mechanic at a shop across the street from our home and would spend hours leaning against a telephone pole staring at our house. Everywhere my daughter went she encountered him. She became very concerned when he started watching and stalking her two boys. She filed a restraining order.

For some reason the cockrouch had an opinion that he was much smarter than the authorities and violated the order on numerous occasions. At a court hearing, he requested that my daughter's concealed carry permit be revoked. The judge saw no reason to.

After the hearing, a mistake was made by a secretary at the courthouse permit and my daughter received a notification from the state that she had lost her permit and she was required to turn it in. She immediately contacted the judge and he instructed her to continue to carry and he would straighten the problem out.

Eventually, the stalker violated the order one time too many and was arrested and had to spend several weekends in jail. He lost his driver's license as he was caught once again driving while intoxicated. His boss caught him twice using a pair of binoculars to watch our home and fired him. For the last six months he has no longer been a problem. My daughter does see him occasionally, as we live in a small town but he avoids contact and leaves the area when he sees her.

Obviously, the stalker was worried about the fact that my daughter was armed. Perhaps her concealed permit stopped him from an attack, who can say.

My son in law was infuriated with the man's behavior and considered confronting and beating the shit out of him. The one factor that stopped my son in law was the fact that he also had a concealed carry permit and feared that a violent encounter might have cost him his license.