Gun shop owner murdered.

[Kaleva]

"We have nothing to be concerned about at the present time," State Police Detective Sergeant David Johnston told TV6.

http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=421059

We who live in Upper Michigan apparently are the care free type.

[Barack_America]

1. If only he had a....

...oh wait, he did.

Very sorry for his family.

[baldguy]

3. jinx!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

4. Sorry enough to make a punchline out of his murder.

Didn't your parents raise you better than that?

[Barack_America]

6. And how many deaths do you make light of on this forum?

You're Mr. "looks like he picked the wrong house", if I recall.

Spare me the lecture just because this death doesn't suit your viewpoint.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

7. So now you are equating his murder with that of a criminal killed in self defense?

I take that back about your parents.

[Barack_America]

10. I'd imagine it's the same to their families.

I wished comfort to the dead man's family, as I would to any family who has lost someone.

Still, this does speak against the argument that an armed person, or a person with access to firearms, is a safe person. No?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

11. Who here believes that firearm possession automatically makes one safe?

I believe having access to a firearm, being highly trained in its use and being very aware of your surroundings can give you an opportunity to defend yourself against a grave threat.

[PavePusher]

12. Please point out where anyone said a firearm is a gaurantee of safety.

It's O.K., I'll wait.....

[AtheistCrusader]

13. You mean it speaks against the STRAWMAN argument that an armed person is safe

because it's YOUR strawman.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Please don't run off without answering the questions.

[SteveM]

19. Your statement needs correction....

"Still, this does speak against the argument that an armed person, or a person with access to firearms, is a safe person. No?"

You contend that someone in these threads has floated an "argument" which professes an "armed person is a safe person." Please point out where this argument is made. Cite names, places, provide links.

What IS contended here is that an armed person stands a better chance to thwart violent attack/criminality. Arms to not make one "safe." They do provide significantly better protection in the event of attack.

You have created an argument, then defeated it. No?

BTW, I do not equate the death of a thug (when committing a violent crime) with the murder of a shop owner, and neither does the law.

[SteveM]

18. So, at best, you "make light" of deaths which better suit your taste?

[baldguy]

2. If only he had been carrying a gun...

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. I missed the part where it says he was carrying a gun. Do you have a link?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

15. Still waiting on that link.

[gorfle]

16. Guns are no guarantee of safety.

Carrying a gun is no guarantee of safety during an assault, any more than wearing a seatbelt guarantees safety in a car crash.

Yet some people still find it prudent to use the tools that are available to them to increase their odds. It doesn't always help.

[Kaleva]

8. I've driven by the man's shop many times...

when going to Marquette.

[GreenStormCloud]

9. Sometimes the bad guys win.

None of us here claim that a gun is a magic talisman, nor that victory for the good guys is a sure thing. We only claim that having a gun gives the good guy more of a chance than he would have otherwise.

[slackmaster]

17. Pawn shop. Probably a robbery.

:argh:

[Xela]

20. Firearms are only a part of a larger plan

Self-defense has many components and/or layers.

To think a firearm would magically save someone from a nasty situation is ludicrous.

Xela