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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:26 AM Original message |
Obama anti-gun?No, anti-gun control ... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. Our house has been deluged with calls from the NRA |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. They do tend to cry wolf a lot. It's good for their income. nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I'm still interested in what they are saying. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The extreme right still believes all the confiscation bullshit the NRA is selling. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I agree with it's worthwhile measures. However, in today's |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. "There are progressive gun owner groups out there." Where and how many million voters do they have? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:11 AM Response to Reply #23 |
64. I do not know since I do not belong to them. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. There's ALOT of local and state issues the NRA picks up. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. do you have any idea what an "assault weapon" is? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
63. They are pretty self explanatory. For one, they are created |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Than explain it. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
88. Here are the definitions from all US State Codes. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. If you input for Texas there is no such thing |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. You didn't recognize the call of the question. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. So ALL guns, eh? |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. So a Brown Bess musket, desigened and made in 1722 is an assault weapon? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #63 |
98. Killing someone is generally known as "homicide," not "assault" |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
105. Oh, you're talking about lever-action .30-30's then, yes? n/t |
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nimvg (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. Most People... |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
68. By armor piercing, what do you mean? |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 08:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
102. More specifically, any rifle round will defeat armor not designed to stop a rifle round |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
87. What the NRA is saying. |
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aliendroid (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. the best way to prevent something is to talk about it openly. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. exactly. kind of like the old saw |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #40 |
60. The earliest gun control laws in the US were passed to prohibit slaves and later |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. The ability for an incorporated town to have rules and regulations |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:06 PM Original message |
I've gotten several NRA membership offers in the mail recently |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. Maybe because they support more pointless and ineffective gun control? |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I agree - I think Dems should join in droves and take it all away from the right. nt |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I find it telling that they always single out the (D) lightning rods. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. They didn't single out the "D's" the poster I responded to named them |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. The NRA hates Bloomberg. What party is he? N/T |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. (I) Independent. Why don't they bash him in their membership drives? |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. They bash Bloomberg on a regular basis |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
70. Bloomberg is regularly attacked by the NRA, along with the R aligned Brady Campaign. |
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nimvg (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
84. Strangely Enough... |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
41. t's REALLY liberal to support right to keep and bear arms |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is Obama "spin" because he is clearly anti-gun as proven by 100% of his political history. n/t |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. 100% Fail |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Obama's statement is duplicitous because at the same time Obama's platform called for renewing AWB. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
45. Guess you'll just have to become a |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. No, I'll remain what I've been all my life. |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
74. False Dichotomy Fail |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:10 PM Original message |
Umm, not really |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. "I will not take your rifle away." |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. He has already said repeatedly he wants more gun control. He just can't do it. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Maybe it is simply that he is aware that gun control, meaning getting |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That would be a totally new point of view for him. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. If Obama's "resonableness" were limited to the examples you specificy, no problem... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. Here is Obama himself stating that he supports a ban on concealed carry. |
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nimvg (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. He Can't... |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. It's not dead. Just dead for now. nt |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. passing illegal gun control laws by executive order is not unheard of |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
5. TRANSLATION: Gun control is a loser and Obama knows it. |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. Good to see my former Mayor Paul Helmke speaking up |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Helmke is a repubilcan... you know? |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I support progressive action |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Open a history book sometime. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. But his efforts have caused Democrats to lose close elections. (n/t) |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Gun control isn't progressive. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Very true. RKBA is VERY progressive. (n/t) |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Freedom fist-bump. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
107. Indeed. Gun control is racist. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
62. Your idea of "progressive action" includes a military invasion and occupation of the US. |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. This coming |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:13 PM Original message |
This would be the last course of action obviously |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. You really |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. None of the people I know would... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
54. "I suspect 80 to 90 percent of the population will give up their arms voluntarily." |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Even if he was on crack, even Helmke wouldn't talk that crazy. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
66. When will you answer the question? |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. No I am not in the military |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. how is it both ways? |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. As I have stated earlier |
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inkool (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. So how would the foreign armies get the remaining guns? |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Let's try this S-L-O-W-L-Y |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
97. Why would I give up my rights voluntarily? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
100. 80-90%? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
110. Um |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
85. DING! bwhahahahaha |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. If Obama doesn't want to run for a 2nd term, he'll make gun-control a "top priority." |
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Don Caballero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I truly do not believe that |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Now your being dishonest |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. You keep saying that but refuse to offer any evidence |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:25 AM Response to Reply #26 |
61. "We experience the crime wave not as separate moments in time but as one long descending night." |
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cowman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Just admit |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
106. Err, "protects", not "gives". Otherwise correct. n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. The incremental approach doesn't work... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Since 1994 your side hasn't won any national incriments, and only a few state ones. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. "The more and more violent our culture becomes"??? violent crimes are trending down in the US |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. Nope. Incrementalism would be the worse strategy... |
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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Anyone have a link to that Krauthammer article? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. You could visit the library or pay online for it now.. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. I found it in a secondary source's footnotes... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Gun control = Fool. Understand? |
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aliendroid (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. true. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
104. Helmke is a Republican who wants Democrats to push gun control so they will lose |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
108. Yeah! I want the Democrats to lose 85 seats in the House and 12 in the Senate! |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's just a matter of choosing his battles wisely. I started emailing the Obama |
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aliendroid (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
38. You can't hide facts, but you can also predict... |
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Naked_Ape (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
56. Obama gun boom goes bust |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. I'm waiting for an AK-pattern rifle in 223.. |
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nimvg (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. I've Done The Same Thing... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I prefer 45acp, but it's been hard to find. |
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Naked_Ape (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. here ya go... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Yah, been thinking about just getting a saiga in 223.. |
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Naked_Ape (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. roll yer own |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I did for my AR's, but I'm not quite ready to do that for an AK.. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-19-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
89. No, just back to normal. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-18-10 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
58. I'm convinced that the massive surge in gun and ammo buying demonstrated to the administration |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
103. I have been delighted with President Obama's pro-gun record as president in the last 13 months |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. +1 (n/t) |
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