GALLUP: Record-Low Support for Stricter Gun Laws

[virginia mountainman]

This was posted by Gallup on October 9, 2009

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/In-U.S.-Record-Low-Support-Stricter-Gun-Laws.aspx

A couple of tidbits from the artical

"Rather, Americans as a whole may just be more accepting of gun rights now than in the past. Compared with views in 2000, each major demographic or attitudinal subgroup has shown a shift toward a more pro-gun stance on the question about whether gun laws should be more strict or less strict"

Americans continue to trend toward holding attitudes that are more in favor of gun rights, and Gallup today finds new low points in favor of gun control on two separate measures dating back at least two decades. While solidly against a ban on handgun possession, Americans are nonetheless about equally likely to say they favor stricter laws on firearm sales as to say these laws should not change. Still, the current poll marks the first time Gallup has not found a significantly higher proportion of Americans preferring tighter gun-sale regulations.

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1. 43 to 44 same vs more strict..

Also note the 15 point drop in Democrats between 2000 and now.

[virginia mountainman]

2. Also notice the "Bumps"

1999 and 2004 That would have been the mass of pro gun control (puff pieces) on the news at those times due to the Election, and the expiration of the AW Ban.

And also note the steep drop from those points when the talking heads are not pushing the issue.

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3. And compare to the dropping crime rate & increasing gun ownership

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2009/07/graphics_matter.html

(Big graphic, so I didn't link it directly.)

[divideandconquer]

11. New York, NY - City on Pace for Record-Low Number of Homicides

New York, NY - City on Pace for Record-Low Number of Homicides

New York, NY - More New Yorkers are out of work, and the cash-strapped city isn't graduating a new class of police cadets this year. And yet crime is going down — way down.
New York City is heading toward a record low number of murders this year, and overall crime is also down, the New York Police Department said Friday.
The NYPD projects about 457 murders this year, the lowest total since the department first started keeping records in 1962.
And, overall crime is down nearly 12 percent from 2008, and 40 percent since 2001, the NYPD said.
The downward trend is mystifying criminologists who say crime usually rises when times are tough.
"I don't have an answer to it," said Andrew Karmen, a sociology professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "The poor and the unemployed are not fed up, or in despair, or still retain hope that the economy will turn."
The nation's largest police department will continue to work diligently to combat crime, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said this week.
"I'm often asked, how low can crime go and my answer is always the same: one crime is one too many," he said.
The city had about six murders on average per 100,000 people last year, a rate among the lowest in the U.S., according to FBI crime statistics. In 2008, New Orleans had 64, St. Louis 47 and Los Angeles 10 per 100,000 people, according to the FBI.
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<http://www.vosizneias.com/38652/2009/09/18/new-york-ny-city-on-pace-for-record-low-number-of-homicides/>

Mayor Bloomberg must be proud

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13. And all it takes is doing away with the 4th amendment..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x487756

NEW YORK — A teenager trying to get into his apartment after school is confronted by police. A man leaving his workplace chooses a different route back home to avoid officers who roam a particular street.

These and hundreds of thousands of other Americans in big cities have been stopped on the street by police using a law-enforcement practice called stop-and-frisk that alarms civil libertarians but is credited by authorities with helping reduce crime.

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The New York Police Department is among the most vocal defenders of the practice. Commissioner Raymond Kelly said recently that officers may stop as many as 600,000 people this year. About 10 percent are arrested.

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Last year, New York police stopped 531,159 people, more than five times the number in 2002. Fifty-one percent of those stopped were black, 32 percent Hispanic and 11 percent white.

[divideandconquer]

14. Notice the more educated the individual and state, the more pro gun control

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/US-Election-IQ2004.htm

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15. And yet the most highly educated still dropped 13 points from 2000.

That's larger than the 11 point spread from most educated to least.

[divideandconquer]

16. But none the less there is that gap

Wonder why? Personally most of the gun huggers I know are teabaggers.

[PavePusher]

17. And most of the gun ban-wannabe's I know...

are are dictatorial, emo-ranting douche-bags.

What's your point?

And what's wrong with "teabaggers"? A lot of them are Democrats who are fed up with being lied to by both sides. You seem to be implying that they are all copies of some card-board cut-out stereotype from your imagination.

[divideandconquer]

19. Defending teabaggers?

No surprises there.

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18. Maybe because the less educated..

.. are more likely to end up needing to protect themselves? The well educated tend to be more affluent. It's easy to be for gun control when you live in a gated community and/or have armed security- not so much when you're living paycheck to paycheck in a shitty neighborhood with a teen drug and/or gang problem that you can't afford to move out of.

But don't let that stop you. Continue to intimate that gun owners are stupid. I'm sure that'll work out real well for ya.

[Endangered Specie]

20. Nail, meet hammer...

there is sometimes a really bad smell of elitism from the anti-gun side.

Poorer rural families (who might tend to be "less educated") need their guns in order to protect their land/farm from various 4 legged (and 2 legged - sometimes the most violent home invasions are out in the country) creatures as well as to hunt for food (after all, it only takes a couple bucks worth of ammo to bring home enough meat to feed a family for a week).

[old mark]

4. Thanks - Rec'd.

Please see my recent post on PA Senator Bob Casey for similar interesting information.

thanks vm

mark

[beevul]

5. Link?

Have a link to that post?

Couldn't find it doing a search.

[old mark]

6. It's 2 posts below this one at this very moment - the only one

in which I am the OP at least on the top half of the page.

mark

ADD: It's also on the "Latest Discussion Threads".

[divideandconquer]

7. 66% of Democrats and 55% of women for stronger gun regulation

[armueller2001]

8. Good thing we live in a REPUBLIC

and not a pure democracy, where the rights of 51% can take away the rights of the other 49%.

[divideandconquer]

9. ACTUALLY WE LIVE A PLUTOCRACY WHERE THE RIGHTS OF 1% CAN TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF 99%

The gun hugger crowd lives in such a quaint fantasy world.

[armueller2001]

10. Any examples

of constitutionally protected rights that the 1% have taken away?

[GreenStormCloud]

12. That is a drop of 15 points among Democrats.

The trend is against you.