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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:44 AM Original message |
Study: Gun Shows Main Source Of Guns Used In Crime |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. The conclusion does not follow logically from the data, and does not agree with DoJ survey results |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The Girl Who Killed Steve McNair Got A Gun From a Friend |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. She got the gun from a convicted murderer for whom it was illegal to possess. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. fucking duh |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
97. I'll be praying for you Iverglas. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. The authors own data cites show that only 13% come from shows. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The report is filled with photos of Nazi crap and other nastiness |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #15 |
101. This thread actually prompted me to take a look at "The Turner Diaries" |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. The priceless hypocrisy of the gun grabbers, it never ceases. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. What a stupid fucking statistic. WEASEL ALERT |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. The relevant figure is the 2% figure given for acquisitions at gun shows and flea markets |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. "family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%" |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is because gunshows have magical powers. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. "...gun shows are no different than the rest of florida." |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. Why the panic? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. why the disingenuous misrepresentation? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. "disingenuous misrepresentation" indeed. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I think I've seen you bid me good night |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. Here's a solution to the loophole |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That is how it's done here in California, for ALL private sales (not just at gun shows) |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Even between parent and child? |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. All transfers of ownership, regardless |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. California is has a decent system, and doesn't require it for parent/child transfers. |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:11 AM Original message |
That's called gun registration, and it's expensive. No thanks. There are better ways. nt |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
62. If it were only that easy it would have been done years ago.. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
116. Please look op the definition of "well regulated militia". It does not |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. Huh? The author seems to think all private transactions happen at gunshows |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. No, you are not confused |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. "I'm confused here." |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. And this is LBN, please leave it here |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. I concur. Leave this idiotic study and it's false conclusions here to be picked apart. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
31. You jinxed it |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
10. How does this study comport with those which indicate other sources? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I didn't know you were a criminal, Steve |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Strange things happen when you find yourself retired. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Yeah, call me cynical |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Oh, it's by Garen Wintemute! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Pretty much, and every publication by that group is about firearms, not the real causes of violence |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 06:14 AM Response to Reply #41 |
63. It's not what you'd call a group |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. jezus fucking christ |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #82 |
117. Mmm, that doesn't work. You research genuine problems... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. ah, yes; what would he know? |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. ER Docs |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I dunno |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Right at home here, aren't ya? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I go to a doctor to check my colon, not pack it with more shit. n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #47 |
118. "Professors" and "physicians" are OK as long as they don't work on my car (nt) |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. Gun shows also ground zero for domestic terrorists. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. ...and a gun show once turned me into a newt! |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. And certain truck-rental agencies. (nt) |
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jasi2006 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
14. This is one of the shames of America. nt |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. If it were only true. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. The shame is that gun show prices aren't much lower than elsewhere (nt) |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
60. True Dat. |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #25 |
119. Here in the DFW area gun show prices tend to be about 20% lower. N/T |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
26. since you posted in the gungeon, the apologists and proliferationists will swarm the thread |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You mean provide analysis that shows the "conclusion" is not supported by the facts? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Like the stat that 85% of guns used in crimes passed through at least one such sale? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Here's a clue: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. One private sale? Easy to believe, because most criminals can't pass the background check |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Like this "gunshow" |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. The only thing that needs to be done is to keep known violent criminals incarcerated |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. yeah, fuck that Constitution thing |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
98. How is incarcerating violent felons for their crimes unconstitutional? |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Anti-2nd amendment radicals are a small, loud group. |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
29. worse |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
34. Holy Irresponsible Headlines, Batman! |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
36. How does one respond to something so stupid? NT |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
52. A study shows that |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
54. Let's look at this article. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. "holy fucking shit, imagine the audacity of people" who don't read |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-02-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I read chapter 3: "Buying and Selling". Dr. Wintermute needs to get a lawyer. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. maybe you can get a lawyer |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
99. misprision of a felony is not illegal in most jurisdictions hth |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. If someone is obviously buying a firearm for someone else, is that legal? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
66. if someone behaves like a disingenuous jerk |
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Treo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. That's A Question That Only You Can Answer Dear NT |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. it was a rhetorical question |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Unfortunately for Wintermute, I *did* read it- it's full of inaccuracies |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. you people and your "assault rifle" meme |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Mean...not meme |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. well |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Are you saying fact checking is optional if your heart is in the right place? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I'm saying that no normal people |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Hope he isn't making the same error between H1N1 and regular flu |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Pointing out error is 'diversionary'? Ohhh-kay... |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #55 |
64. I have not read the actual report yet |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. So you would agree the news story is ridiculously inaccurate. That's good to see. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. A picture is worth a thousand words |
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Bushido1979 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
78. 3rd_Grade_Propaganda |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Nice find.. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. you disagree??? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I don't disaggree. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. wtf?? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Did you read the article? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. please may I borrow you funny specs? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
120. No funny glasses required.. here, in bold.. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. That's a nice cop out |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
110. And give it a few more months |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-07-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Perhaps someone at UC Davis noted the rather unscientific nature of this |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No.1 with a FoxNews link! |
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Bushido1979 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. considering irrelevant fields of study: |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. lalala |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. So, when are you giving up your computer, CD/DVD burner, and DVR? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #107 |
111. if your post related to a single thing in my post |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Just pointing out your special pleading about guns, my dear iverglas |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. if your post related to a single thing in my post |
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Bushido1979 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-06-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. easy to ignore iverglas now |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Wow, something from a Fox outlet that actually is fair and balanced |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-03-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
85. The proportion of all gun sales nationwide that occur at gun shows is relatively small. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
89. I think we should all step back for a moment and consider the absurdity of this study |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. we don't need to go very far to see the untruth in your post |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I'm sorry that you are having difficulty seeing the rather obvious |
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LAGC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
94. Should we ban all private-party sales? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-04-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Sadly that is what they are after |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
105. what a strange question |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
100. I'm going to the gun show here in Tucson... |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
102. researchers rec'd $175,000 from the Joyce Foundation. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I just love a little anti-intellectualism |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. After all money never affects research. The drug companies are great examples. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-05-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. A paid shill is a paid shill -unless you agree with them |
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