Interesting thing I just learned about North Dakota...

[virginia mountainman]

They had ZERO GUN RELATED MURDERS in 2008! And only 2 stabbing murders..

http://www.kxmb.com/t/schools/313515.asp

Just for a chuckle, I went to look at the Brady Campaign rating for this state,

http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=ND

LOL looks like ND gets a big, fat "F" from Brady, getting only 4, out a possible 100 for their gun control laws...

All this with ZERO GUN MURDERS in 2008, Don't they know, they should go for the Brady "A" like Chicago, California, and DC??? ROFLMAO!

[Buzz Clik]

1. New paradigm: Guns don't kill people, gun laws do.

[safeinOhio]

2. A bullet would have to travel over 2 miles

in ND to hit anyone.

[rrneck]

6. Heh. Ain't it the truth. nt

[Avalux]

3. What about wood chipper murders??

:P

[spin]

4. The Brady Campaign did like that fact that North Dakota...

didn't allow guns on campus.

Good News From North Dakota

Guns on Campus Bill Voted Down.
04/10/2009

The North Dakota State Senate rejected the gun lobby's attempt to force college and university campuses to allow loaded guns on campus. Six NRA "A-rated" State Senators voted against this measure.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/view.php?st=ND&item=gn&id=469

I was disappointed to find that the Brady Campaign rates Florida sightly higher than North Dakota. Florida gets 6 out of 100 points and North Dakota gets 4. Damn!

[slackmaster]

5. Guns don't kill people

People who live in places that have lots of people kill people.

[jody]

10. Agree, ban cities over 25k and closer than 25 miles to each other, i.e. a 25-25 ban. n/t

[valhalla]

13. Actually, Fargo is almost 100,000 people,

and the entire Fargo/Moorhead metropolitan area is almost 200,000. Bismarck is over 60,000 and Grand Forks is over 50,000. Even Minot is over 35,000.

[E-Mag]

14. Well we have to be safe for the children

[russ1943]

16. Actually no, not actually at all.

Fargo is almost 90,000. The Fargo ND-MN Metropolitan statistical area includes Clay county Mn. And Cass county ND is almost 190,000.

Stating 189,500 “is almost 200,000” and/or 89,998 as “almost 100,000 people”, is a distortion.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_06.html

[valhalla]

18. Actually, yes actually

The 2008 estimate is 99,200 , and that is almost 100,000 in my book. The population is still growing in Fargo, and the current population is almost certain to be in excess of 100,00 now.

The 2008 estimate for Fargo/Moorhead is 195,685 , and given the continued growth the current population is very likely to be almost 200,000.

It helps to use the most current data.

[russ1943]

20. population figures were too old.

You may be right.

I provided a link to my source, the most recent complete Uniform Crime Report available from a reputable government agency, the FBI.
(For the 2007 population estimates used in this report, the FBI computed individual rates
of growth from one year to the next for every city/town and county using 2000 decennial population counts and 2001 through 2006 population estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau. Each agency’s rates of growth were averaged; that average was then applied and added to its 2006 Census population estimate to derive the agency’s 2007 population estimate.)
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/about/table_methodology.html

[valhalla]

21. The 2008 Figure sources are

City of Fargo for the 99,200.

http://www.ci.fargo.nd.us/CityInfo/

US Census Bureau for 195,685.

http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/tables/2008/CBSA-EST2008-05.csv

[TheWraith]

15. Actually, a population cap on cities probably really would make a big difference.

I seriously doubt LA would have the gang problem it does if, say, it had half a million fewer people or so. What would be nice is if we could have some kind of 21st century equivalent of homesteading: give poor families the opportunity to move out of the city and into a country setting to operate a farm or something.

[paulsby]

17. not really

some of most violent cities PER CAPITA (which is all that matters) are smaller cities. oakland, for example. new york city, otoh, which is the largest city in the country is comparatively one of the safer cities.

[Taitertots]

7. Brady campaign....

Where no firearm homicides is too many.

[jody]

11. The only homicides gun-grabbers would really ban with their laws are "justifiable homicides". n/t

[eqfan592]

8. Wow...

...I forgot how the media and gun grabbers portray so-called "shoot first" laws, which are actually "You don't have to try and run away first before defending yourself" laws.

*sigh*

[spin]

9. The law is also called "stand your ground"...

Former NRA President Marion Hammer who has been very instrumental in Florida's concealed carry and castle doctrine law, had an interview in which the Brady Campaign came up. The entire interview is worth reading.

Let me ask you this – many in the Brady organization argue that the law that we have been discussing – the castle doctrine or stand your ground, is dangerous and unnecessary. Do you think they will have any success in convincing legislators to revoke the law?

HAMMER: Absolutely not. They have not had any success in convincing anyone that they were doing anything except playing politics. They put out flyers warning tourists when they come to Florida “don’t engage in arguments with locals.” Well why would they want to do that anyhow? That is pretty good advice anytime.

But in an attempt to make tourists believe that if they get into an argument with a local they could be shot is just wrong. And it fact, there are some folks who think that it is actionable because they are attempting to damage tourism – part of the economy of this state, with false information with the purpose of getting publicity for themselves.

GIACHINO: Yes, it’s like false advertising. The mischaracterizations, you could go on and on, they call it the “shoot first” law. First of all, the legislation itself, other than perhaps in the preamble, doesn’t even talk about guns.

How do you respond to the Brady organization’s claim that this legislation puts the law into the hands of private citizens?

HAMMER: It puts the law on the side of private citizens. It allows you the freedom to take responsibility for your own safety and the safety of your family. We all know that calling 911 is not going to do much except get somebody there to pick up the pieces after-the-fact a little faster. Law abiding people have a right under the Constitution to self-defense. That cannot be taken away because it infringes terribly on our freedom. At a time when we want all Americans to take responsibility for themselves and their own actions, why on earth would anybody want to take away this precious right?
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/in_our_opinion/marion-hammer-nra-interview.htm

[proteus_lives]

12. Gosh....

It's like you're saying that people kill people and guns don't project evil rays to force people to murder each other! :wow:

[gorfle]

19. Here's their listing for all states

http://www.stategunlaws.org/xshare/pdf/scorecard/2008/2008_scorecard_rankings.pdf

North Dakota, with no gun-related murders in 2008, ranks near the bottom of the list, while California, with hundreds of firearm murders each year ranks #1 with the Brady Bunch.

Maybe, just maybe, someone will start looking at the social and drug and gang issues.