Why registration is opposed...

[beevul]

A gun confiscation that never happened according to some hereabouts:


"Police department spokesman Bob Young said it has stored 552 guns that were confiscated after Katrina, through Dec. 31, 2005. Police have said they only took guns that were stolen or found in abandoned homes"


I guess some folks need a reminder.

"No one will be able to be armed. We will take all weapons."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4&feature=related

Yeah, its an nra video, however, those words are on video being spoken by the chief of police Eddie Compass.

So theres no spinning it away as nra rhetoric. Unless...does anyone think former chief Compass is an nra shill? Anyone? Beuller?

And just to placate anyone that does, heres chief Eddie on a non nra video saying the exact same thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf8trl69kzo


Eddie Compass
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P. Edwin Compass, III is a former Chief of Police of the New Orleans Police Department.

He resigned as Chief of Police on September 27, 2005.<1> Compass, who earlier said he was organizing a tribunal to handle the cases of 249 officers who left their posts without permission during Hurricane Katrina<2>, did not give any reason for his resignation. Compass's resignation followed a few days after an emergency injunction was handed down, prohibiting him “from confiscating lawfully-possessed firearms from citizens ... “<3> His actions subsequently led to the passage of the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Compass


Anyone want to venture a guess how it all would have gone down, had a strict registration scheme been in place?

I'd really love to hear what our resident journalist has to say about all this.

Its just fear, right? :sarcasm:

[billyoc]

1. Because it's an election loser.

[Tim01]

2. "Take guns apart and throw them in the water."

It was on an after action report I read, supplied by a LEO who was down there. He said good guns were given to govt. people like paramedics. The rest were taken apart and thrown in the water.

New Jersey cops were stopped in my state for running 95mph (speed limit 70) in a convoy with heavy trucks and the light bars on. These guys complained like rich spoiled brats that they were not allowed to get home as fast as they wanted to, and promised political trouble for the trooper who stopped them. These were some of the cops who were "helping" during Katrina.

[TPaine7]

3. There is absolutely no relationship between what has happened in the past

and what can reasonably be expected to happen in the future.

You gun nuts think the past is so important--the history of gun control, the intent of framers of the 2nd and 14th Amendments, the histories of countries, states, and local governments that have used registration to confiscate guns, the genocides that have sometimes followed confiscation.

You should forget all of that and look forward.

We should all trust the Brady Campaign, the Violence Policy Center, our politicians statesmen and stateswomen, and the Million Mom March. These people have all shown themselves to be of the highest moral character and fully deserving of our trust. Really, folks, if you can't trust your mom, I pity you. And if she's joined by millions of other moms, what kind of sick twisted psycho couldn't see that they're all looking out for your best interest?

A gun nut, that's who!






PS: do I really need the symbol, people?

OK :sarcasm:

[spin]

4. It would appear the cops were running around New Orleans...

harassing honest citizens as the bad guys were committing crime.

[TheWraith]

16. You're making an unwarranted assumption...

...That some of the cops weren't busy committing crimes too.

In my experience there are about as many bad cops per capita as there are bad civilians.

[MichaelHarris]

5. yup

chickenshit fear, how many guns were taken and from where? You know, come on tell us. They were found in empty houses and some were stolen. If your weapon was stolen and the police found it do you want them to take it from the thief's? Would you want the police to secure loose firearms in a catastrophe or just leave them lying around? You guys are funny, 522 guns picked up during Katrina in a city the size of New Orleans and you go all twitchy, hahahahahahahaha I'm so glad you're here to keep me laughing.

[Hoopla Phil]

6. Does anyone have the video of the elderly woman being tackled in her kitchen

by cops taking away her gun after the hurricane hit? If so I believe it would be appropriately posted here.

Thank you

[beevul]

8. It is contained in the nra video...

Also, heres a link to the downloaded version.

http://pun.org/josh/archives/Patricia%20Konie%20Gun%20Confiscation.wmv

Can't seem to find one on youtube.

[Hoopla Phil]

11. Thanks, I tried to google it but could not find it. I have another request

down thread regarding guns confiscated in Greensburg, Kansas if you can help.

[MichaelHarris]

13. I can

find many stories of cops taking guns from people in a tense situation. Do you know what the woman's intention was when the cops disarmed her? Of course not, you weren't there!

[TPaine7]

20. That woman was a deadly terrorist who had just returned from an

Afghanistan training camp. She had previously trained in a Shaolin temple.

She was planning to use the empty weapon to bludgeon the burly officers to death, then kill the neighborhood children!

She only looks small, old and frail because of NRA tricks used in photoshopping the video, frame by frame. I know because I was there (when the cop tackled her and when the video was tweaked).

You're exactly right, Michael. They don't know what her intention was. Stand strong against the NRA!!!!

Do you know what the woman's intention was when the cops disarmed her? Of course not, you weren't there!

Exactly.

[Hoopla Phil]

21. I said nothing about that. I'm asking for the video and I believe it is

available at the link provided. You can go watch it and see for yourself. But as the chief of police said himself "no one will be allowed to be armed". I don't think he was too interested in their "intentions" were either.

[beevul]

22. Her intentions were OBVIOUS.

To stay in her home, and keep her legally owned private property.

[Hoopla Phil]

23. But we DO know what the chief of police intentions were. He said so himself.

[spin]

17. No problem, well worth watching...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4 (note: other gun confiscations are shown)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qx0cTze0M (A local station talks about the lady)

Question: How do I get these videos to play on DU?

[Hoopla Phil]

24. So Mike, have ya watched the videos? Still say there is no such thing as confiscation?

[beevul]

7. One question , Mike...

"how many guns were taken and from where?"


How many does it take, taken from the law abiding, before it becomes wrong?

Answer that one.


"Would you want the police to secure loose firearms in a catastrophe or just leave them lying around?"

Except, that its been proven that what YOU describe is NOT what happened, nor is it whats being discussed.

[MichaelHarris]

10. how

many were taken wrongly? It is what happened, every weapon was returned to it's rightful owner. You keep looking though, I'm sure one of those right-wing websites will give the info your looking for. Even the NRA was satisfied in the case.

[beevul]

19. How many does it take, Mike?

How many does it take, taken from the law abiding, before it becomes wrong?

[Hoopla Phil]

25. Irrelevant. They were taken when most needed and that says enough.

The fact that New Orleans denied it for years, stalled in court after being sued, and finally admitted it under threat of going to jail for contempt of court has NOTHING to do with the fact that they were taken to begin with. Houses were broken into with the owners saying get out, I don't want you in her and their guns were stolen under color of law. THAT IS WRONG!!!

It has happened before and I will object to any scheme put in place that may make such illegal activities easier.

[votingupstart]

26. if this were a case of freedom of speech being taken away

you would be up in arms for just ONE case but somehow because you don't like guns (yes i have read where you "own" guns) a couple of injustices are ok --- no its not ok for rights to be taken away - and what happens when in 4 or 8 or 16 years when an administration decides to go a little further (for public safety of course) and a little further (for national security of course), where will you be then?

[Hoopla Phil]

9. Oh, and how about some video of the guns confiscated in Greensburg, Kansas

after the F5 tornado went through. There is video footage of an armed standoff between what looked to be U.S. military (reserves or what not) and citizens in a home. The military folks finally stood down and left.

If anyone has that footage I'd sure like to see it posted please.

[TPaine7]

15. You've been misled.

There is no way a few people in a home could ever stand down U.S. military of any kind. Ever.

The military has nuclear weapons, don't you know? They would have simply called in an air strike and vaporized the house.

Duh...








For those who missed it. :sarcasm:

[gorfle]

27. I remember two instances.

One was an elderly lady in her home, and the other were two men evacuating in a boat. Both of them had their firearms confiscated. These are the only two I can think of off of the top of my head.

But regardless of how many actually occurred, it is abysmal that firearm confiscation became a publically announced public policy decision as it was. What it indicates is that a government can and will, at the drop of a hat, arbitrarily decide to confiscate weaponry when it finds it convenient to do so.

This is why government firearm registration lists are dangerous.

[Tim01]

12. Where is that vid of the California cop slamming that old woman and taking her gun?

[Tim01]

14. Where is the audio of the cops shooting those peoples dogs in the living room to make them leave?

[beevul]

18. Heres the patricia konia video.

http://www.filecabi.net/video/newrrleansladywithgun.html