Recent rifle crimes (June)

[MichaelHarris]

Employee at Muskegon Township pizza store robbed at gunpoint
Muskegon Township Officer Timothy Thielbar, lead investigator on the case, said the woman was walking through the parking lot of Papa John's, 1771 E. Apple, just before 1 a.m. when she was approached by a masked, black male with an assault rifle.
http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2009/06/pizza_employee_robbed_at_gunpo.html

Gunfire in Strathmore leads to drug, gun allegations
Tulare County sheriff’s deputies responded at 10:17 p.m. Sunday to the area of Avenue 198 and Road 232 to investigate a call of shots fired....Alfredo Medina Jr., 30, of Strathmore, was booked on suspicion of negligent discharge of a firearm, possession of a concealed firearm, possession of an assault rifle, possession of a high-capacity magazine and possession of a controlled substance. http://www.recorderonline.com/news/strathmore-41755-allegations-drug.html

Loma man booked in gunfire incident
Young stepped out of the home and fired a high-powered rifle at the vehicle Bonds and Clemons were in, hitting the rear tire and the rear window as they were driving away, the affidavit said.http://www.gjsentinel.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/06/09/061009_2a_Young_arrest.html

Standoff In Kershaw County
Thomley says that's where he barricaded himself in and fired at deputies with a high-powered rifle.http://www.wolo.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4574:standoff-in-kershaw-county&catid=43:local-news&Itemid=50

Motive for Perry County shooting 'anybody's guess,' sheriff says
Figuring out what happened Monday when John A. Shuffit turned his rifle on his estranged wife, Stephanie L. Shuffit, before killing himself wasn't too difficult, Perry County Sheriff Gary Schaaf said Tuesday.http://www.semissourian.com/story/1546017.html

Man angry at solicitor fires rifle, hits own car
A door-to-door solicitor apparently rubbed a Michigan man the wrong way, prompting him to grab a rifle and fire two shots — one of which hit his own car.http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5irvJPAVLCd1xb99NRP9HVMoA_C4gD98INOM80

Detectives unraveling Covelo gun fight
While McLean was leaving the gathering, he stopped the vehicle he was driving for an unknown reason while Card was standing nearby. McLean got out of his vehicle with a high powered rifle and spoke to Card. Then without warning, McLean fired the rifle at Card and hit him in the abdomen. The bullet exited through Card's arm.http://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/ci_12551095

Man Pleads Not Guilty In Shooting Of Daughter
Vermont State Police said David Holmes physically assaulted and then shot Heather Mayhew in the abdomen with a 30-06 rifle during an argument late Saturday afternoon at the victim's home in Troy. http://www.wptz.com/news/19616408/detail.html

Teen Shot With High Powered Rifle
Deputies are trying to figure out why they say somebody accidentally shot a 14-year-old girl with a high-powered rifle. http://www.weau.com/news/headlines/46731467.html

Hawkins County man killed after exchanging gunfire with deputies
The Hawkins County man who fired a rifle at police Saturday night and was then killed when officers returned fire had suffered personal tragedies in recent years including the deaths of his son and wife. Mr. Webb came out of the residence and we could tell he had a long rifle, which turned out to be an AR-15http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9014353

It's only June 10th, 3% huh?

[Euromutt]

1. What's the point of engaging you?

This is the third in a recent series of these post-and-run threads you've started. When you're called on blatant mistakes you've made, you don't have the decency to own up to them. You never provide a substantive answer to others' arguments, instead posting inanities. Frankly, the only thing that stops me from giving you a full piece of my mind and calling a spade a spade are the forum rules.

Now why don't you run along and masturbate somewhere else? This is a discussion forum, and you're not interested in discussing this subject.

[MichaelHarris]

15. Gunman shoots guard at U.S. Holocaust Museum

The shooting occurred at about 1 p.m. and the wounded were taken to an area hospital. The security guard was in grave condition suffering from a rifle shot and the gunman was in critical condition, authorities said.http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5595DA20090610

[DonP]

18. You might wait until the body is cold and the fact are in

Next time you want to "Jump the Gun" you might get at least one or two facts straight.

The weapon used was a shotgun, not a rifle, you know the kind of gun guys like you are always telling us they want to leave alone for the legal hunters out there?

You are as bad as Carolyn McCarthy with "that thing that goes up" level of technical knowledge.

[Euromutt]

22. QED (n/t)

[krispos42]

2. 300 million people, one incident every 3 days...

...not bad.

[MercutioATC]

3. Do you not understand statistics?

Do you really not understand how they work or are you doubting the accuracy of published statistics?

[old mark]

4. there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

Save your bullshit for some gun control site.


mark

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

5. Please don't let the FBI's statistics get in the way of your arguments.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

6. Never miss an opportunity to turn people's personal tragedies into your political soapbox.

[Captain Hilts]

7. Rifles are used in FAR fewer crimes and should be subject to different laws. nt

[gorfle]

8. Yup, 3%

The 3% number is the number of homicides annually attributable to rifles according to the FBI data that has benezra has repeatedly posted here in the past.

It's interesting to note that only one of the articles you cited involve a homicide by rifle.

In the other four where someone was actually shot with a rifle, the victim survived.

In the rest of your cited articles, no one was injured, except in the last one where the perpetrator himself was killed by police which is fine by me.

[Euromutt]

9. And according to most recent data, at most 1% of other violent crime

A DoJ BJS report, Weapon Use and Violent Crime, covering the years 1993-2001, states that long guns (i.e. not just rifles but also shotguns) were used in 4% of nonfatal armed violent crime, and 1% of nonfatal violent crime overall.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/wuvc01.pdf - top right corner of page 2.

[cslinger59]

10. So is the answer to........

Create a whole new class of victimless crime criminals to throw into already over crowded jails by banning, limiting, legislating tools or would it not make more sense to empty the jails of victimless crime criminals (Pot smokers for example) and use that space to incarcerate the hell out of violent criminals of any type?

Most crime is committed by criminals who have already committed a previous crime. Most crime is crime on crime.

Why not focus efforts in the short term on taking these violent offenders out of society for good or at least for very very long terms.

Use fines or civil litigation for non violent offenses ranging from community service to rebuilding places like New Orleans to using the skills of the offender to teach others (white collar crimes etc.)

In the long term focus on education, health care both mental and physical, reduction of the poverty class through working towards bringing back a diverse and strong economy and putting more and better trained first responders on the street.

I just don't get the waste of time and resources that could be spent actually doing some good for society as well as saving lives.

[rl6214]

11. Trolling, trolling, trolling

keep them doggies trolling, rawhide

Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.

[benEzra]

12. Yes, 3%. You do know what a "percent" is, yes?

Three percent is not zero. It means three out of every hundred murders are committed with rifles, which in a nation of 300 million people works out to 30 or 40 a month.

According to the FBI, there are between 400 and 500 rifle murders per year, compared to around 1000 murders/year using shoes and bare hands, a couple thousand using knives, and around eight thousand using handguns.

[MichaelHarris]

16. Gunman shoots guard at U.S. Holocaust Museum

The shooting occurred at about 1 p.m. and the wounded were taken to an area hospital. The security guard was in grave condition suffering from a rifle shot and the gunman was in critical condition, authorities said.http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5595DA20090610

[benEzra]

17. Um-hmm. Another 800-900 such incidents, and rifles *MIGHT* catch up to shoes and bare hands

in the murder stats this year. And there would have to be another 1.5 THOUSAND for rifles to have a chance of catching up to knives.

Like I (and the FBI) said, 3 percent.

Years ago, when rifle crime was higher than it is now, the head of the gun-control lobby said the following:

"(O)ur organization, Handgun Control, Inc. does not propose further controls on rifles and shotguns. Rifles and shotguns are not the problem; they are not concealable."

--Nelson T. "Pete" Shields, head of what is now the Brady Campaign 1978-1989, Guns Don't Die--People Do, Priam Press, 1981, pp. 47-48 (emphasis added).

And rifle crime is LOWER now than it was then. Rifles are not, in fact, the bogeyman.

[dairydog91]

21. An anecdote does not make a statistic. nt

[Hoopla Phil]

13. Just another drive by post.

[DonP]

14. Every hunting accident - now classified as a "Rifle Crime"

I love these drive by postings.

No interest in dialog, mainly because you wind up having your ass handed to you in every discussion, or wind up sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La,la,la I can't hear you!" and walking away.

How much better to spend the time you invest in finding these isolated incidents to prove how dangerous guns of a given type can be - actually reading the peer reviewed and government published studies on the issue to educate yourself with fact. Or better yet, actually go to a range and meet some of the people you want to demonize so desperately. About half of them are Dems, so you stand a 50/50 chance of meeting one of us out there.

And please, please stop melding criminals with law abiding gun owners. That's like your neighbors assuming that you could could just "snap" at any time and become a pedophile.

[Statistical]

19. Yup still 3%

A couple anecdotes not withstanding.

What % of planes crash?

Based on news reports it might seem like a lot 20%, 40%, 80%.
It is unusual for someone to write a story about a plane that lands on time with no incident.

Some people have an irrational fear of flying despite the stats.

You have an irrational fear of rifles despite them being virtually never being used in crimes.

You are more likely to die from accidental self poisoning than a rifle but obviously your mind is made up.

[AtheistCrusader]

20. Still don't get 'statistics' do you?

Oh well. Keep trying though. I'm sure you'll be able to mislead a few people.