Still MORE Voices For Gun Control

[MrBenchley]

We've seen the sort of ugly racist scum (Lott, Hatch, Nugent, Pratt, etc.) who push the dishonest "gun rights" agenda...

Here's more on the courageous decent Americans pushing for gun control.

[MrBenchley]

1. Al Gore

Charlton Heston wanted to lynch him, and the NRA spent millions trying to beat him in Michigan and Pennsylvania (he won both states).

"Biography: Forty-fifth vice president of the United States. Born Albert Arnold Gore Jr., on March 31, 1948, in Washington, D.C. His father, Albert Gore Sr., a congressman from Tennessee, served in the House of Representatives. His mother, Pauline (La Fon) Gore, was one of the first women to graduate from Vanderbilt Law School.
At once a Washington thoroughbred and a hometown Tennessean, Gore grew up accustomed to both environments. In the nation's capital, Gore attended the exclusive St. Alban's Episcopal School for Boys. In Tennessee, he worked on his family's farm. Gore then attended Harvard, where he roomed with future actor Tommy Lee Jones. He earned a degree with high honors in government in 1969 after writing a senior thesis titled "The Impact of Television on the Conduct of the Presidency, 1947-1969."
After struggling with his conscience about his opposition to the Vietnam War, Gore, who was drafted for service that year, decided to enter the military. Though his father lost his next bid for the Senate, Al Gore Jr.'s decision to join the military helped allay the concerns of his father's constituency about Al Gore Sr.'s opposition to the war. Gore served his time in Vietnam as an army reporter. When he returned to the States in 1971, he worked as a reporter at the Tennessean. When he was later moved to the city politics beat, Gore uncovered political and bribery cases that led to convictions.
While at the Tennessean, Gore, a Baptist, also studied philosophy and phenomenology at Vanderbilt University. In 1974, he enrolled in Vanderbilt's law school. Just two years later, he began to campaign for the Democratic nomination for Tennessee's Fourth District congressional seat. When he won the nomination over Stanley Rogers, it was a big enough success to predict his win in the 1976 general election. After serving four terms, Gore jumped at the chance to fill the open Tennessee senatorial seat. He won the election in 1984. Among other things, Gore was particularly active in environmental issues. He played an integral role in the creation and passage of the 1980 Superfund bill to clean up chemical spills and dangerous land dumps. He has also worked for nuclear disarmament.
In 1988, Gore made a bid for the Democratic nomination for the presidency. He won five southern states on Super Tuesday, but eventually lost to Michael Dukakis. Gore remained in the Senate until presidential candidate Bill Clinton chose him as his running mate in 1992. They were elected into office that year and re-elected in 1996. While in office, Gore continued to display concern for the environment. In 1992, he wrote Earth in the Balance: Healing the Global Environment (1992). He also worked to cut back on government bureaucracy.
1. The longest economic expansion in our history.
2. The creation of more than 22 million new jobs.
3. The lowest unemployment in 30 years.
4. Real wages rose at all income levels.
5. The highest home ownership in American history.
6. Unemployment reduced to 3.9 percent.
7. Hispanic unemployment reduced to 5%, the lowest level on record.
8. African-American unemployment reduced by 50% to its lowest level ever recorded.
9. The lowest welfare rolls in 32 years.
10. The lowest crime rates in 26 years.
11. Teen pregnancy and drug abuse were down.
12. Student test scores were up.
13. The number of people without health insurance was reduced for the first time in a dozen years.
14. The size of the federal government was reduced by over 340,000 workers.
15. The federal budget was balanced."

And he's for gun control.

[demsrule4life]

9. And look where it got him

:)

[MrBenchley]

11. Yup....

Lied about by people like you, dems.

[demsrule4life]

12. Double standards again

Haven't seen you yet defend Dean by what Bill said. You don't support progun Dems.

[MrBenchley]

15. Gee, dems....

You mean I know that the "gun rights" crowd is full of shit? I could have told you that..

[demsrule4life]

18. You have said many times to me

"attacking a dem" now you say it is okay to attack progun dems. Double standard.

[MrBenchley]

20. Gee, dems.....

Cry me a frigging river.

"now you say it is okay to attack progun dems."
All six of them? Even Dean is closer to my position than yours......

[slackmaster]

13. There you go again creating a stereotype

WTF do you mean by "people like you"?

[MrBenchley]

17. Gee, slack

You mean you think there's some doubt as to whether dems is peddling that "gun rights" hooey?

Who is always quick to jump in to defend the NRA, such as by pointing out that its senile idiot president called for his members to form a lynch mob to string up Al?

[slackmaster]

21. Straw Men on parade

You mean you think there's some doubt as to whether dems is peddling that "gun rights" hooey?

The only hooey being peddled here is your incessant stream of bigoted remarks and ever-weakening attempts at guilt by association.

Who is always quick to jump in to defend the NRA...

Taking issue with your bigoted remarks and personal attacks does not equate to defending the NRA.

[MrBenchley]

23. Cry me a frigging river, slack

"The only hooey being peddled here"
Is the crap that scum like John AshKKKroft, Larry Pratt and Ted Nugent are trying to sell...which is what the RKBA crowd here parrots.

"Taking issue with your bigoted remarks and personal attacks does not equate to defending the NRA."
Yeah, surrrrrrrrrre....

[slackmaster]

25. I'll bet Ascroft, Pratt, and Nugent all like beer as well

Does that make everyone who likes beer a bad person?

Your posts are long on emotion and short on logic.

[MrBenchley]

30. Gee, slack...

Let me know when you see one doing a beer ad...

"Your posts are long on emotion and short on logic."
That would be RKBA logic...which comes straight out of bizarro world. Go cry to Mary Rosh...

[slackmaster]

37. Gee Benchley

Go cry to Mary Rosh...

Another Straw Man, er Straw Woman.

[MrBenchley]

39. How tragic for you

that the entire RKBA platform is nothing but straw and horseshit.

[demsrule4life]

10. And look where it got him

:)

[CO Liberal]

14. It Got Him a Majority of the Popular Vote

:-)

[demsrule4life]

16. But the president isnt elected by the popular vote

in our country. Never has been and hopefully never will. Hate to see how our country would turn out to be if only five or six states has the power to pick every president.

[MrBenchley]

19. And if it wasn't for Chimpy's crooked brother

and his pop's crooked friends, he would be in the White House now...

The other white meat was keynote speaker at the National Rifle Association’s annual banquet in 2003, where he thanked the assembled wad of racists and loonies: "Were it not for your active involvement, it's safe to say my brother would not be president of the United States," Jebbo said. He got a standing ovation.

Instead this unelected drunk is wrecking this great country...to the delight of the corrupt gun industry and imbeciles peddling that RKBA horseshit....like Wayne LaPierre, Trent Lott, John AshKKKroft, John Lott, etc....

[slackmaster]

22. But what did it COST him?

n/t

[Name removed]

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[Liberal Classic]

26. There it is again: anyone who doesn't support gun control is a racist

The gun nut vote hates blacks, gays, Jews and uppity women as much as they love them guns...

Plain to see by all.

[MrBenchley]

31. Gee, lib....

I'd love for you guys to show us anybody on the national stage peddling this crap who ISN'T the scum of the earth...

Last time you guys started a thread like that you ran out after a dozen names...one of which was Dean, who's closer to MY position than yours. And you had to include two DINOs and a state legislator to make the list THAT long.

[Liberal Classic]

32. Your brush paints more than the national stage

You smear anyone who disagrees with you. You don't limit yourself to Ashcroft (who deserves it) but the whole 'gun nut vote' which presumably means anyone who doesn't vote for gun control.

[MrBenchley]

34. Cry me a frigging river

"You don't limit yourself to Ashcroft (who deserves it) but the whole 'gun nut vote'"
Yeah.....you really trying to tell us the Michigan Militia would vote Democratic if not for gun control?

[Liberal Classic]

41. You cannot spin or retreat your way out of this one

The gun nut vote hates blacks, gays, Jews and uppity women as much as they love them guns...

You clearly state that anyone who votes for gun rights hates, HATES Jews, African Americans, gays/lesbians, women.

This sentence contains an unusual level of candor for you. Most of the time you are more circumspect in implying gun-rights supporters are racists and bigots. This time, however, you have let your true colors fly.

You go to such lengths that you will not even admit that the Ku Klucks lie about supporting gun ownership for racial minorities. This belies your level of honesty, Benchley. No honest person would claim that racists support gun rights for hated races. Clearly the Ku Klucks are trying (unsuccessfully) to soften their image, to downplay their hatred, and attempt to remain relevant. Any honest person on this board would agree that the Ku Klucks are lying, except you. You would rather claim that the Ku Klucks support gun ownership, than acknowledge that they lie about themselves and their mission. The truth is that the Nazis supported gun ownership for Ayrans not Jews, and the Ku Klucks support gun ownership for whites not blacks. The truth is the Ku Klucks lie. Refusal to ceed this point makes you no better than they are, perhaps worse, since they seem better at hiding their secret agenda.

[Spoonman]

43. FLARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MrBenchley]

45. Lame wet squib

not even much of a poot....

[Spoonman]

70. I do believe the rules state clearly

that personal attacks are not tolerated.
So please do not use personal self descriptive terms either.

It's quite repulsive.

[MrBenchley]

71. Gee, spoon....

Not my fault your flare was a fizzle.....

[Spoonman]

78. What

more self descriptive terms? Or are you trying to make a point?
Never mind, you never have a point to make.

[MrBenchley]

44. Neither spinning NOR retreating

"You clearly state that anyone who votes for gun rights hates, HATES Jews, African Americans, gays/lesbians, women."
So let's see some evidence to the contrary...so far we've found that every racist piece of shit that can be found is also peddling this gun rights crap...sometimes so desperately that they're willing to forego their usual hate-filled rants.

"This time, however, you have let your true colors fly. "
Whereas you're still trying desperately to pretend that the RKBA argument isn't the province of the scum of the earth. But it's worth noting you STILL can't point to any progressive Democcrats peddling it.

[Liberal Classic]

48. I peddle gun rights crap therefore I am a racist piece of shit

Benchley wrote: The gun nut vote hates blacks, gays, Jews and uppity women as much as they love them guns...

I replied: You clearly state that anyone who votes for gun rights hates, HATES Jews, African Americans, gays/lesbians, women.

To which you said: So let's see some evidence to the contrary...so far we've found that every racist piece of shit that can be found is also peddling this gun rights crap.

I peddle gun rights crap therefore I must be a racist piece of shit.

Benchley, you're welcome to say that you oppose an issue, and you're welcome to tell me that I am wrong. Instead your reasoning comes down to nothing but racist insults. However, I must tell you that I am not a racist piece of shit, so there must be something wrong with your arguments.

[MrBenchley]

50. If the sheet fits....

"So let's see some evidence to the contrary...so far we've found that every racist piece of shit that can be found is also peddling this gun rights crap.
I peddle gun rights crap therefore I must be a racist piece of shit."
Ah, RKBA logic....no wonder you don't find any.

"Benchley, you're welcome to say that you oppose an issue, and you're welcome to tell me that I am wrong."
Well, la-di-dah....And you're welcome to try and twist my words all you want....but it's pretty apparent that you are doing so, and we are all entitled to wonder why. And you're welcome to peddle what the scum of the earth is peddling, and then bitch out loud when that's pointed out.

By the way, hope everyone noticed that three of you STILL couldn't produce a single progressive Democrat peddling this bogus crap.

[Liberal Classic]

52. No need to twist your words at all

"If the sheet fits...."

Indeed. No need to twist your words when you offer gems like this. The truth is I am (thankfully) unfit to wear the white sheets of the Ku Kluckers because I am in their parlance a race traitor, among other disqualifications.

[slackmaster]

55. And another term for "race traitor" in KKK parlance would be...

"<Forbidden 'N' Word> lover."

Kind of like the way Benchley and CarinKaryn use the term "gun lover". And the way they try to explain themselves when pressed for a definition of gun lover: If you don't understand what we mean then you must be one.

If the sheet fits, indeed.

[MrBenchley]

58. And yet you do your best to twist them....

Hope everyone noticed that you STILL couldn't produce a single progressive Democrat peddling this bogus crap.

[Spoonman]

61. What a pantload

Now tell it to some one who cares.

[slackmaster]

54. Here's some prima fascia evidence that you are wrong

I vote for gun rights whenever possible and I don't hate Jews, African-americans, homosexuals, or women.

[Romulus]

59. oppose the PATRIOT Act?

Then you are a racist piece of trash. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

36. By the way

Hope everyone noticed that you couldn't produce a single progressive Democrat peddling this bogus crap.

[MrBenchley]

46. By the way

Hope everyone noticed that three of them STILL couldn't produce a single progressive Democrat peddling this bogus crap.

[slackmaster]

56. He who controls the definitions controls the debate

As long as you define "progressive Democrat" as "someone who supports all gun control measures no matter how strict" then Benchley's statement is true in a tautologous way.

[MrBenchley]

60. Cry us a frigging river, slack....

"Democratic Underground (DU) was founded on Inauguration Day, January 20, 2001, to protest the illegitimate presidency of George W. Bush and to provide a resource for the exchange and dissemination of liberal and progressive ideas. Since then, DU has become one of the premier left-wing websites on the Internet, publishing original content six days a week, and hosting one of the Web's most active left-wing discussion boards.

We welcome Democrats of all stripes, along with other progressives who will work with us to achieve our shared goals."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/about.html

[slackmaster]

67. And the word "gun" does not appear in that document

Nor does it spell out what "our shared goals" might be, but it sure doesn't serve to define progressiveness as necessarily including lack of support for the rights of people to keep and bear arms.

MrBenchley, if anyone here is crying or whining it's you, for being unable to issue an edict that all progressives must agree with your views on gun control.

All stripes, MrBenchley. That includes those of use who value personal choice in what kinds of personal property to own.

[MrBenchley]

73. No you don't see guns, slack....

So it ought to be easy for you to produce a progressive Democrat peddling this gun rights hooey....

...but instead all we get is this sniveling and whining.

And when we DO find somebody peddling "gun rights", it's a scummy piece of shit like Orrin Hatch or Jeb Bush or Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter or the KKK or the Aryan Nation or Larry Pratt or Ted Nugent or Jeff CCooper or Robert K. Brownn or John AshKKKroft or Bo Gritz or William Pierce or Trent Lott or Bob Barr or Dick Cheney or David Duke or any of the dozens of others we've named.

[slackmaster]

80. Already done

Me.

So Benchley, what are our "shared goals"? I can state them even if you can't.

Could we possibly redirect this conversation in a more constructive direction as I have in my personal dealings with local Million Mom March members?

Both pro-RKBA and pro-gun progressive people share some common goals. Are you able to set aside your personal hatred of gun owners and talk about those goals some time?

[MrBenchley]

82. In other words....

None but the scum of the earth are pushing this on the national stage.....

"Could we possibly redirect this conversation in a more constructive direction"
Gee, slack....I'm not the one peddling Ted Nugent's wet dreams...or screaming like a banshee every time scum like Larry Pratt or the NRA get described correctly as the toejam they are.

I'll remind you, I was posting the names and descriptions of dozens of progressive Democrats supporting gun control (and it was no mystery that they ARE progressive Democrats). All else is the RKBA crowd's usual horseshit.

"Both pro-RKBA and pro-gun progressive people"
The gamut of opinion from a to a. Would those be the ones posting crap from Newsmax and World Net Daily here? The ones plotting on highroadrage.com to sneak back on here for the ninth and tenth time?

[slackmaster]

83. I meant pro-gun-control and pro-RKBA progressives

Typo flames are not very respectful.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=646895&mesg_id=646895

So, do you have any serious reply to my question about shared goals?

[MrBenchley]

85. How the hell does anyone know that's a typo?

You LEFT OUT a word.

"do you have any serious reply to my question about shared goals"
Yeah. And you got it already.

[slackmaster]

86. R-E-S-P-E-C-T???

I've offered it to you. What have you offered me?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=646895&mesg_id=646895

[MrBenchley]

87. What you've earned

richly

[Liberal Classic]

88. Nobody earns your hatred, Benchley

You give it freely.

[slackmaster]

89. And like any gift nobody is obligated to accept it

I don't.

[MrBenchley]

91. Suit yourself

I didn't make a grand huffy public statement about somebody being on ignore (that turned out to be horseshit).

[slackmaster]

93. I did have you on Ignore for about two weeks

I changed my mind.

So what?

[MrBenchley]

90. Gee, lib, scorn and contempt ARE richly deserved

by those trying to spin away the actual bigotry hiding behind that "gun rights" whitewash.

[slackmaster]

92. Even if deserved, scorn and contempt are not respectful

And therefore never appropriate on these forums.

[MrBenchley]

95. Gee, cry me a river

[slackmaster]

96. I suggest you go to GD and read Skinner's post on civility

[slackmaster]

27. Tilting at windmills

The gun nut vote hates blacks, gays, Jews and uppity women as much as they love them guns...

I'm saddened to see such blatant stereotyping coming from someone who claims to be a progressive, liberal Democrat. You and CarinKaryn both seem to believe you're able to fathom peoples' internal thought processes as well.

It's really pathetic.

BTW Gore may have lost two key states - Tennessee and West Virginia - due to his stand on gun control.

[MrBenchley]

33. It's even sadder

to see someone pretending to be a progressive Democrat telling us we have to pander to such scum.

"You and CarinKaryn both seem to believe you're able to fathom peoples' internal thought processes"
You mean you think some of these "enthusaists" are fooling anybody?

"BTW Gore may have lost two key states - Tennessee and West Virginia - due to his stand on gun control."
Funny...every time I ask anybody on the RKBA side for proof of that they dredge up some article that quotes folks like "Republican pollster Frank Luntz" and some asswipe from the NRA....Democrats are always quoted saying that WASN'T a factor. Cross had one that quoted Zach Wamp, who is not only a Republican but one of the stupidest people on the planet.

[CarinKaryn]

75. What are you talking about?

Put up or shut up.

[MrBenchley]

79. He means

he's not fooling anybody...and knows it.

[slackmaster]

81. Your constant bashing of "gun lovers"

You know, that shadowy group that you are unable to define in other than emotional terms or assumptions about what you believe to be going on inside of their minds.

That mysterious "bunch" of people that you seem to despise so much even though you haven't explained just who they are.

Prejudice is prejudice and bigotry is bigotry even when it's coming from a progressive, liberal person.

[MrBenchley]

84. Too TOO funny, slack

"You know, that shadowy group"
Gee, slack, you mean you think there's anybody who DOESN'T know who the RKBA crowd is? You mean you think it's a mystery as to who it is pimping for the NRA here?

Funny how when there was a call for gun advice addreessed to "DU gun nuts" you were able to jump right in without digging your toe in the sand and fretting over what "mysterious "bunch" of people" was being addressed THERE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20080&mesg_id=20080

"Prejudice is prejudice and bigotry is bigotry even when it's coming from a progressive, liberal person."
Yeah, ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght. But evidently not when it's coming from RKBA supporters like Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt, Jeff Cooper, Sean Hannity, David Duke, etc. etc. etc. Then its "unfair" to point out what bigoted pieces of shit make up the "gun rights" spokesmen.

[slackmaster]

94. Nobody is pimping for the NRA here, Benchley

Funny how when there was a call for gun advice addreessed to "DU gun nuts"...

Have you ever heard black people refer to each other with the "N" word and mean it in a friendly manner, MrBenchley? Same thing.

The thread was from someone interested in serious technical advice from people who actually know something about the subject.

But evidently not when it's coming from RKBA supporters like Ted Nugent, Larry Pratt, Jeff Cooper, Sean Hannity, David Duke, etc. etc. etc. Then its "unfair" to point out what bigoted pieces of shit make up the "gun rights" spokesmen.

It's certainly unfair of YOU to imply that anyone else on this board supports any of those individuals, or that any of them are spokespeople for MY views, as you have repeatedly and most disrespectfully done.

[MrBenchley]

97. Hahahahahahahahahaha....

Who the hell are you trying to kid, slack? Every time there is a less than respectful reference to Waybe LaPierre's idiot klavern, the entire bullets for brains crowd erupts in rage and horror.

"The thread was from someone interested in serious technical advice from people who actually know something about the subject."
And you had no problem figuring out who that meant.....nor did anybody else in that mess.

"It's certainly unfair of YOU to imply that anyone else on this board supports any of those individuals, or that any of them are spokespeople for MY views"
Gee, slack....you're the one who jumped in to defend those folks again and again......and yes, Nugent, Pratt and Cooper ARE official spokepsople for the views you ARE peddling.

[slackmaster]

98. You are mistaken

Gee, slack....you're the one who jumped in to defend those folks again and again......

Ted Nugent?

John Lott/Mary Rosh?

Larry Pratt?

Not once have I ever posted a single thought defending any of those individuals or any of the others in your list.

Not once, Benchley; and I find it mighty disrespectful of you to misrepresent MY position on that subject.

Go read Skinner's thread pinned at the top of the GD forum. You need to learn a little civility.

[CarinKaryn]

99. I'm reminded of the definition of pornography

I know it when I see it...

[slackmaster]

100. That's not a very good definition

No better than "I know a gun lover when I see one."

Or, "I know a <forbidden 'N' word> lover when I see one."

[demsrule4life]

28. You are so full of it

I voted for Gore. Why didn't he take TN or AR? Those two states should of been easy wins and if he had gotten them FL would not of been an issue. By the way I have black friends, the longest friend I have is jewish, one of the best Borzoi breeders in the states is gay, I consider him and his life partner good friends and most of my dogs in the past twenty years I have bought from them.

[MrBenchley]

35. Not me, Dems......

"I voted for Gore."
And yet you post crap like "Ed Asner is a communist."

[RoeBear]

57. So I hate myself huh?

That a piece of crap you wrote Benchley and it stinks. You should be ashamed, very ashamed of yourself.

I'll wait here for an apology or retraction.

[MrBenchley]

62. Cry me a river, roe....

"I'll wait here for an apology or retraction."
Hold your breath till then.

[Spoonman]

66. RoeBear,

Although not specific to the topic at hand, maybe this will help you to understand the mentality we are dealing with.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000B29CD-0C94-1C6F-84A9809EC588EF21

[RoeBear]

72. So in other words...

...some people don't care who they piss on.

[Spoonman]

76. No

so long as they don't *feel* they are wrong, who cares about the facts.

[Spoonman]

38. Old approaches to gun issues are proven losers

Democrats need a new way to frame the gun debate, because the old approaches to gun issues are proven losers.
Conventional wisdom now offers two basic choices: The first counsels Democrats to avoid mentioning gun issues altogether. Al Gore applied this "hope" strategy in the 2000 general election -- hoping the National Rifle Association and George W. Bush wouldn't define him as anti-gun -- and it failed miserably, with Gore carrying only 35 percent of gun owners.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=119&subid=157&contentid=251918

[MrBenchley]

40. Gee, spoon......

" The other strategy -- vocally opposing all new gun safety laws -- is also a loser. Just ask former Democratic Govs. Roy Barnes of Georgia, Don Siegelman of Alabama, and Jim Hodges of South Carolina. They played the NRA's tune and won its endorsement, yet all lost their re-election bids.
America suffers from 350,000 violent gun crimes each year, massive black marketing of illegal guns, a broken background-check system, shamefully weak enforcement of existing federal gun laws, and legal loopholes that give terrorists, criminals, and illegal aliens easy access to guns at gun shows. "

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=119&subid=157&contentid=251918

[Spoonman]

42. Another blatant misrepresentation by the master

It's so easy to try and make a point by conveniently leaving out the important pieces!

Here's the unbenchleyed version...


The other strategy -- vocally opposing all new gun safety laws -- is also a loser. Just ask former Democratic Govs. Roy Barnes of Georgia, Don Siegelman of Alabama, and Jim Hodges of South Carolina. They played the NRA's tune and won its endorsement, yet all lost their re-election bids.

It doesn't have to be that way. Democrats can engage the gun debate on new terms, by supporting gun rights while fighting for tough enforcement of existing laws and promoting sensible new gun safety measures. It's an approach that makes sense for reasons of both politics and principle. The political reason is that nearly half of American voters live in households that own firearms. Unless Democrats start faring better with those voters, they're likely to be a permanent minority party in Congress and continue to be locked out of the White House.

The reasons of principle are equally clear: America suffers from 350,000 violent gun crimes each year, massive black marketing of illegal guns, a broken background-check system, shamefully weak enforcement of existing federal gun laws, and legal loopholes that give terrorists, criminals, and illegal aliens easy access to guns at gun shows.

Although I cannot find and probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate the claim of "350,000 violent gun crimes each year", I agree with the article as a whole.

[MrBenchley]

47. Says it all spoon...

"Although I cannot find and probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate the claim of "350,000 violent gun crimes each year"
<sarcasm>Yes, spoon, your own source is lying</sarcasm>....hahahahahahahaha!!

[Spoonman]

49. And yet another blatant misrepresentation by the master

As long as you insist on misrepresentation of posts, I will continue to demonstrate this tactic you employ.
It clearly demonstrates the desparate nature of the factually baseless argument you present.

The whole statement.....

Although I cannot find and probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate the claim of "350,000 violent gun crimes each year",I agree with the article as a whole.

[MrBenchley]

51. "probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate"

Sing it, spoon....it's a laugh and a half to hear you call YOUR OWN SOURCE a liar.

[Spoonman]

53. Try try again

to grasp at something to save you from sinking even further into that pit of self inflicted spin muck.

[MrBenchley]

63. Don't have to....

Although I cannot find and probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate the claim of "350,000 violent gun crimes each year"
<sarcasm>Yes, spoon, your own source is lying</sarcasm>....hahahahahahahaha!!

[Spoonman]

64. And again

you attempt to misquote what was said, and demonstrate to all your ability to spin.

What a pantload you present.

[MrBenchley]

65. Hahahahahahahaha.......

"Although I cannot find and probably no one can find ANYTHING to substantiate the claim of "350,000 violent gun crimes each year"
<sarcasm>Yes, spoon, your own source is lying</sarcasm>....hahahahahahahaha!!

[Spoonman]

69. Thank you,

for expressing what we are all doing after reading your spin.
You provide so much entertainment for us it will be a shame to see your argument fall into the pile of hooey from which it rose.

[MrBenchley]

74. Hahahahahahahaha.....

"it will be a shame to see your argument fall into the pile of hooey from which it rose."
Be sure and pick another source you can accuse of lying next time, spoon.

[Spoonman]

77. Sniff sniff

what in the hell is that smell?
Oh..... it's anti-gun zealot hooey.
And it sure is a huge pantload of it!

[MrBenchley]

2. Diana DeGette

"U.S. Representative Diana DeGette is a fourth generation Coloradoan, educated at Denver's South High School. First elected to the United States Congress from Colorado in 1996, Rep. DeGette was re-elected in 2002 to a fourth term in Congress with 66% of the vote. She serves on the House Energy & Commerce Committee, an exclusive congressional committee with vast jurisdiction over trade, business, technology and consumer protection. Rep. DeGette was also elected to a leadership post as the Democratic Floor Whip in the House of Representatives. In addition, she is the co-chair of the Congressional Diabetes Caucus, the largest congressional member caucus, and the Bipartisan Pro-Choice Caucus.

As a member of the Commerce Committee, Rep. DeGette has used her position to introduce legislation reforming corporate business and accounting practices, improving health care for children, and expanding protections for the environment. She serves on four leading subcommittees of the House Energy & Commerce Committee, the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, the Subcommittee on Health, the Subcommittee on Environment and Hazardous Materials, and the Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade and Consumer Protection.

On the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Rep. DeGette has been a leader in a variety of investigations, including corporate wrongdoing and the safety of the diet supplement ephedra. As a leader on corporate accountability, Rep. DeGette sponsored tough new accounting and auditing standards and aggressively questioned Enron and Arthur Andersen officials who testified before her committee.

As a member of the Subcommittee on Health, Rep. DeGette is committed to expanding access to health care and improving public health.  She sponsored a successful plan to increase funding to the nation's safety net hospitals, which provide a disproportionate share of the health care to low-income and uninsured patients.  Rep. DeGette also is one of the authors of the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which provides health insurance to low-income children up to age 18.

As an urban legislator, Rep. DeGette will continue to focus on urban land use, suburban sprawl and environmental justice issues. She sponsored a successful amendment to increase funding for the EPA's Brownfields program to cleanup and rehabilitate abandoned urban spaces."

And she's for gun control....

[MrBenchley]

3. Chaka Fattah

"Chaka Fattah is an experienced lawmaker serving in his fifth term in the U.S. House of Representatives. Congressman Fattah represents the Second Congressional District of Pennsylvania, which includes parts of Philadelphia and Cheltenham Township, PA.
Congressman Fattah has spearheaded major initiatives in education policy.  After working to gain bipartisan support from members of the House, Congressman Fattah scored a legislative victory when his first major education initiative, GEAR UP, was passed in 1998.  GEAR UP (Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs) partners students from low-income schools with colleges and universities to help build an education pipeline for students to realize their college dreams.  Including this fiscal year, there are 251 university partnerships and 28 state programs serving nearly 1.3 million students.  Policy experts point to GEAR UP as one of the most innovative educational programs. 
Congressman Fattah supported the Reauthorization to the Higher Education Act, a measure that increased student aid, lowered interest rates on student loans and improved the quality of teaching in our nation's schools.  Congressman Fattah assumed a key role in the development and negotiation of portions of the Workforce Investment Partnership Act of 1998, appropriated at $5.7 billion for FY 2001.  Fattah played a crucial role in the negotiations of the youth opportunity grants, a section authorizing $1.1 billion over five years to direct resources to high-poverty areas, as well as increasing employment and school completion rates for low-income youth.
While education continues to be at the forefront of Congressman Fattah's legislative agenda, he has also been a prime co-sponsor of major initiatives in an array of public policy areas.  In the 106th Congress, Fattah supported and co-sponsored the African Growth and Opportunity Act, a bill created to stimulate and sustain economic development in sub-Saharan Africa and the Caribbean.  Fattah supported many initiatives that became public law in the 105th Congress, including: the Drug Free Communities Act of 1997, a program supporting 307 communities located in forty-nine states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands that provides funds and resources to help local leaders prevent drug problems affecting youth. Congressman Fattah was also a prime co-sponsor of the District of Columbia Financial and Management Assistance Act, which became public law in 1995.  This measure helped the District regain its financial stability, and since its enactment the city has produced four consecutive balanced budgets."

And he's for gun control....

[RoeBear]

4. Who are you quoting...

...without crediting on these posts?

[MrBenchley]

5. Official biographies

which are not copyrighted, silly.

[RoeBear]

7. thanks

nm

[MrBenchley]

6. Bob Filner

"Bob Filner has served the people of southern California in Congress since 1992, compiling an impressive record of achievement.
Bob Filner is deeply committed to the battle for justice and equality.  In 1961, Bob spent several months in a southern jail as a "Freedom Rider" in the Civil Rights movement.
Bob is one of only a tiny handful of Members of Congress with a scientific degree and one of only 18 members in the House holding a Ph.D.
Back home in San Diego, Bob's opposition to the closing of a neighborhood school led to his being drafted as a candidate for the San Diego School Board in 1979.  Strong community support propelled him to a victory over a long-time incumbent.
Bob's "back to basics" approach towards education--including mandatory homework--won wide support.  Under his tenure, administrators were more accountable, test scores went up, and millions of dollars in waste was eliminated.
In 1992, Bob Filner was elected to the United States House of Representatives by a two-to-one margin.  His decisive victory reflected the confidence the voters had in his ability to produce results for his city.
Re-elected by overwhelming margins in the next five elections, Bob has continued to demonstrate that the confidence of this diverse community is well-deserved.  Beginning in his first term, when he became one of only a handful of freshman legislators to get legislation passed--in Bob's case, a critical bill amending the Clean Water Act to allow San Diego to keep its waste treatment facility and thus save billions of dollars--Bob has shown again and again that he can bring people together, create consensus, and get things done.
One of Bob Filner's early appointments upon arriving in Washington was to a seat on the Committee on Veterans’ Affairs.  In that capacity, Bob has been a tireless fighter for veterans, winning the praise of thousands of individual veterans and high accolades from national veterans organizations.
Bob has fought to get attention to health problems affecting soldiers serving in Vietnam and the Gulf War.  He has worked for more mental health care for veterans and to ensure that GI benefits keep up with inflation.  He was successful in getting better pay for VA dentists and increasing small business opportunities for veterans.  "

And he's for gun control.

[MrBenchley]

8. Rahm Emanuel

"Rahm Emanuel was sworn in on January 7, 2003, as U.S. Representative from Illinois’ 5th Congressional District, which covers the Northwest Side of Chicago and parts of suburban Cook County.

Emanuel was chosen by his fellow Democratic freshmen as Democratic Whip for their class. He also serves as a Vice Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and as a member of the Executive Committee of the New Democratic Coalition.

He serves on the Committee on Financial Services and the Committee on the Budget. On Financial Services, he has been named to two subcommittees: Capital Markets, Insurance and Government Sponsored Enterprises; and Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade and Technology.

Emanuel served as a top White House advisor to President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1998, first as Assistant to the President for Political Affairs and then as Senior Advisor to the President for Policy and Strategy. He was a leading strategist in the successful White House efforts to extend health insurance to millions of uninsured children; pass the Brady Act; enact the historic 1994 crime bill, which put 100,000 new police officers on the street; secure passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement and other trade measures; reform welfare; raise the minimum wage; and balance the federal budget.

Emanuel began his career with the consumer rights organization Illinois Public Action. He went on to serve in a number of capacities in local and national politics, including Paul Simon’s 1984 election to the U.S. Senate, national campaign director for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in 1988, and senior advisor and chief fundraiser for Richard M. Daley’s victorious campaign for mayor of Chicago in 1989. He served as Director of Finance in the 1992 Presidential campaign of then-Governor Bill Clinton."

And he's for gun control.....

[alwynsw]

29. I am once again reminded of precisely why I rarely visit

this portion of DU.

Mindless gainsaying, insults, and general barbs substituted for useful discussion.

(demsrule, I'm in your corner - for the record.)

[MrBenchley]

68. Rod Blagojevich

"Rod Blagojevich, his public service, and his vision for the state are all driven by a fundamental belief in the promise of the American Dream, a dream he has experienced first hand. Blagojevich was born in 1956 and raised on the Northwest side of Chicago, where he grew up in a modest apartment. Rod’s father was a prisoner of war during World War II, coming to this country penniless and unable to speak English. His father later got a job at Chicago steel plant, worked hard, and together with Rod’s mother, saved for 15 years in order to send Rod and his brother to college.
As a Congressman from Illinois’ 5th District, Blagojevich continued to make public safety issues his primary focus. Blagojevich passed legislation that stopped a Pentagon program from indirectly allowing civilians to buy sniper ammunition capable of piercing bulletproof glass and tank armor. Blagojevich won grants for the Illinois community prosecution programs. He pushed for strict enforcement of existing gun safety laws and was the first to raise concerns about weapon purchases at gun shows, where criminals can buy handguns without background checks.

At the height of the Balkan conflict, Blagojevich traveled to Belgrade, and worked with Rev. Jesse Jackson to persuade Yugoslav authorities to release three captive U.S. soldiers. After days of negotiations and a three-hour meeting between Blagojevich, Jackson and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, the soldiers were freed. Later, Blagojevich discovered a U.S. Navy plan to secretly transport 23 million pounds of Vietnam-era napalm across the country by rail, through the Chicago area, to an East Chicago, Indiana disposal plant. After pressure from Rod and public outcry at meetings, the plant canceled its contract and the Navy tore up its plan.
At Mayor Richard M. Daley’s request, Blagojevich secured funding for after-school programs, providing students with tutoring, and to establish the National Teachers Academy in Illinois to attract the best and brightest teachers and improve the quality of teaching in our schools. A product of Chicago Public Schools and a lifelong reader, Blagojevich became the leader on ensuring quality library books in Illinois’ public schools.
January 13, 2003, Rod R. Blagojevich was sworn in as the 40th Governor of the State of Illinois."

And he's for gun control.

The NRA screamed that he was unpatriotic and spent a small fortune trrying to block his election...but Blagojevich won anyway.

[FlashHarry]

101. Locking

This is getting out of hand.

FlashHarry
DU Moderator