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Codename46 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:19 PM
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Text of Bill

TITLE I--LICENSING

SEC. 101. LICENSING REQUIREMENT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(aa) Firearm Licensing Requirement-

`(1) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to possess a qualifying firearm on or after the applicable date, unless that person has been issued a firearm license--

`(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under that title; or

`(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, which license has not been invalidated or revoked under State law.

`(2) APPLICABLE DATE- In this subsection, the term `applicable date' means--

`(A) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person before the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 2 years after such date of enactment; and

`(B) with respect to a qualifying firearm that is acquired by the person on or after the date of the enactment of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, 1 year after such date of enactment.'.

SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

(a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--

(1) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

(2) the name, address, and date and place of birth of the applicant;

(3) any other name that the applicant has ever used or by which the applicant has ever been known;

(4) a clear thumb print of the applicant, which shall be made when, and in the presence of the entity to whom, the application is submitted;

(5) with respect to each category of person prohibited by Federal law, or by the law of the State of residence of the applicant, from obtaining a firearm, a statement that the individual is not a person prohibited from obtaining a firearm;

(6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(7) a certificate attesting to the completion at the time of application of a written firearms examination, which shall test the knowledge and ability of the applicant regarding--

(A) the safe storage of firearms, particularly in the vicinity of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

(B) the safe handling of firearms;

(C) the use of firearms in the home and the risks associated with such use;

(D) the legal responsibilities of firearms owners, including Federal, State, and local laws relating to requirements for the possession and storage of firearms, and relating to reporting requirements with respect to firearms; and

(E) any other subjects, as the Attorney General determines to be appropriate;

(8) an authorization by the applicant to release to the Attorney General or an authorized representative of the Attorney General any mental health records pertaining to the applicant;

(9) the date on which the application was submitted; and

(10) the signature of the applicant.

(b) Regulations Governing Submission- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications to the Attorney General under this section, which regulations shall--

(1) provide for submission of the application through a licensed dealer or an office or agency of the Federal Government designated by the Attorney General;

(2) require the applicant to provide a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d)(2) of title 18, United States Code) of the applicant, containing a photograph of the applicant, to the licensed dealer or to the office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable, at the time of submission of the application to that dealer, office, or agency; and

(3) require that a completed application be forwarded to the Attorney General not later than 48 hours after the application is submitted to the licensed dealer or office or agency of the Federal Government, as applicable.

(c) Fees-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall charge and collect from each applicant for a license under this title a fee in an amount determined in accordance with paragraph (2).

(2) FEE AMOUNT- The amount of the fee collected under this subsection shall be not less than the amount determined by the Attorney General to be necessary to ensure that the total amount of all fees collected under this subsection during a fiscal year is sufficient to cover the costs of carrying out this title during that fiscal year, except that such amount shall not exceed $25.

SEC. 103. ISSUANCE OF LICENSE.

(a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue a firearm license to an applicant who has submitted an application that meets the requirements of section 102 of this Act, if the Attorney General ascertains that the individual is not prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

(b) Effect of Issuance to Prohibited Person- A firearm license issued under this section shall be null and void if issued to a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm.

(c) Form of License- A firearm license issued under this section shall be in the form of a tamper-resistant card, and shall include--

(1) the photograph of the licensed individual submitted with the application;

(2) the address of the licensed individual;

(3) the date of birth of the licensed individual;

(4) a license number, unique to each licensed individual;

(5) the expiration date of the license, which shall be the date that is 5 years after the initial anniversary of the date of birth of the licensed individual following the date on which the license is issued (or in the case of a license renewal, following the date on which the license is renewed under section 104);

(6) the signature of the licensed individual provided on the application, or a facsimile of the application; and

(7) centered at the top of the license, capitalized, and in boldface type, the following:

`FIREARM LICENSE--NOT VALID FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE'.

SEC. 104. RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

(a) Application for Renewal-

(1) IN GENERAL- In order to renew a firearm license issued under this title, not later than 30 days before the expiration date of the license, the licensed individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under paragraph (3)), in a form approved by the Attorney General, an application for renewal of the license.

(2) CONTENTS- An application submitted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(A) a current, passport-sized photograph of the applicant that provides a clear, accurate likeness of the applicant;

(B) current proof of identity of the licensed individual; and

(C) the address of the licensed individual.

(3) REGULATIONS GOVERNING SUBMISSION- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations specifying procedures for the submission of applications under this subsection.

(b) Issuance of Renewed License- Upon approval of an application submitted under subsection (a) of this section, the Attorney General shall issue a renewed license, which shall meet the requirements of section 103(c), except that the license shall include the current photograph and address of the licensed individual, as provided in the application submitted under this section, and the expiration date of the renewed license, as provided in section 103(c)(5).

SEC. 105. REVOCATION OF LICENSE.

(a) In General- If an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title subsequently becomes a person who is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm--

(1) the license is revoked; and

(2) the individual shall promptly return the license to the Attorney General.

(b) Administrative Action- Upon receipt by the Attorney General of notice that an individual to whom a license has been issued under this title has become a person described in subsection (a), the Attorney General shall ensure that the individual promptly returns the license to the Attorney General.

TITLE II--RECORD OF SALE OR TRANSFER

SEC. 201. SALE OR TRANSFER REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFYING FIREARMS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section 101 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(bb) Unauthorized Sale or Transfer of a Qualifying Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a qualifying firearm to, or for, any person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, or to receive a qualifying firearm from a person who is not a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, unless, at the time and place of the transfer or receipt--

`(1) the transferee presents to a licensed dealer a valid firearm license issued to the transferee--

`(A) under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009; or

`(B) pursuant to a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 established by the State in which the transfer or receipt occurs;

`(2) the licensed dealer contacts the Attorney General or the head of the State agency that administers the certified system described in paragraph (1)(B), as applicable, and receives notice that the transferee has been issued a firearm license described in paragraph (1) and that the license remains valid; and

`(3) the licensed dealer records on a document (which, in the case of a sale, shall be the sales receipt) a tracking authorization number provided by the Attorney General or the head of the State agency, as applicable, as evidence that the licensed dealer has verified the validity of the license.'.

SEC. 202. FIREARM RECORDS.

(a) Submission of Sale or Transfer Reports- Not later than 14 days after the date on which the transfer of qualifying firearm is processed by a licensed dealer under section 922(bb) of title 18, United States Code (as added by section 201 of this Act), the licensed dealer shall submit to the Attorney General (or, in the case of a licensed dealer located in a State that has a State firearm licensing and record of sale system certified under section 602 of this Act, to the head of the State agency that administers that system) a report of that transfer, which shall include information relating to--

(1) the manufacturer of the firearm;

(2) the model name or number of the firearm;

(3) the serial number of the firearm;

(4) the date on which the firearm was received by the transferee;

(5) the number of a valid firearm license issued to the transferee under title I of this Act; and

(6) the name and address of the individual who transferred the firearm to the transferee.

(b) Federal Record of Sale System- Not later than 9 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall establish and maintain a Federal record of sale system, which shall include the information included in each report submitted to the Attorney General under subsection (a).

(c) Elimination of Prohibition on Establishment of System of Registration- Section 926(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the second sentence.

TITLE III--ADDITIONAL PROHIBITIONS

SEC. 301. UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIREMENT.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101 and 201 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(cc) Universal Background Check Requirement-

`(1) REQUIREMENT- Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a firearm to any person other than such a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with subsection (t).

`(2) EXCEPTION- Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the infrequent transfer of a firearm by gift, bequest, intestate succession or other means by an individual to a parent, child, grandparent, or grandchild of the individual, or to any loan of a firearm for any lawful purpose for not more than 30 days between persons who are personally known to each other.'.

SEC. 302. FAILURE TO MAINTAIN OR PERMIT INSPECTION OF RECORDS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, and 301 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(dd) Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer or a licensed dealer to fail to comply with section 202 of Blair Holt's Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, or to maintain such records or supply such information as the Attorney General may require in order to ascertain compliance with such Act and the regulations and orders issued under such Act.'.

SEC. 303. FAILURE TO REPORT LOSS OR THEFT OF FIREARM.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, and 302 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ee) Failure To Report Loss or Theft of Firearm- It shall be unlawful for any person who owns a qualifying firearm to fail to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours after the loss or theft is discovered.'.

SEC. 304. FAILURE TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, and 303 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(ff) Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- It shall be unlawful for any individual to whom a firearm license has been issued under title I of Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 to fail to report to the Attorney General a change in the address of that individual within 60 days of that change of address.'.

SEC. 305. CHILD ACCESS PREVENTION.

Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by sections 101, 201, 301, 302, 303, and 304 of this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(gg) Child Access Prevention-

`(1) DEFINITION OF CHILD- In this subsection, the term `child' means an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years.

`(2) PROHIBITION AND PENALTIES- Except as provided in paragraph (3), it shall be unlawful for any person to keep a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, any 1 of which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, within any premises that is under the custody or control of that person, if--

`(A) that person--

`(i) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child is capable of gaining access to the firearm; and

`(ii) either--

`(I) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child will use the firearm to cause the death of, or serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of this title) to, the child or any other person; or

`(II) knows, or reasonably should know, that possession of the firearm by a child is unlawful under Federal or State law; and

`(B) a child uses the firearm and the use of that firearm causes the death of, or serious bodily injury to, the child or any other person.

`(3) EXCEPTIONS- Paragraph (2) shall not apply if--

`(A) at the time the child obtained access, the firearm was secured with a secure gun storage or safety device;

`(B) the person is a peace officer, a member of the Armed Forces, or a member of the National Guard, and the child obtains the firearm during, or incidental to, the performance of the official duties of the person in that capacity;

`(C) the child uses the firearm in a lawful act of self-defense or defense of 1 or more other persons; or

`(D) the person has no reasonable expectation, based on objective facts and circumstances, that a child is likely to be present on the premises on which the firearm is kept.'.

TITLE IV--ENFORCEMENT

SEC. 401. CRIMINAL PENALTIES.

(a) Failure To Possess Firearm License; Failure To Comply With Qualifying Firearm Sale or Transfer Requirements; Failure To Maintain or Permit Inspection of Records- Section 924(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(8) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (aa), (bb), or (dd) of section 922 shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.'.

(b) Failure To Comply With Universal Background Checks; Failure To Timely Report Loss or Theft of a Qualifying Firearm; Failure To Provide Notice of Change of Address- Section 924(a)(5) of such title is amended by striking `(s) or (t)' and inserting `(t), (cc), (ee), or (ff)'.

(c) Child Access Prevention- Section 924(a) of such title, as amended by subsection (a) of this section, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(9) Whoever violates section 105(a)(2) of Blair Holt's Handgun Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009, knowingly or having reason to believe that the person is prohibited by subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

`(10) Whoever violates section 922(gg) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.

SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.

(a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue regulations governing the licensing of possessors of qualifying firearms and the recorded sale of qualifying firearms, consistent with this Act and the amendments made by this Act, as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms, and to assist law enforcement in the apprehension of owners or users of qualifying firearms used in criminal activity.

(b) Maximum Interval Between Issuance of Proposed and Final Regulation- Not later than 120 days after the date on which the Attorney General issues a proposed regulation under subsection (a) with respect to a matter, the Attorney General shall issue a final regulation with respect to the matter.

SEC. 403. INSPECTIONS.

In order to ascertain compliance with this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the regulations and orders issued under this Act, the Attorney General may, during regular business hours, enter any place in which firearms or firearm products are manufactured, stored, or held, for distribution in commerce, and inspect those areas where the products are so manufactured, stored, or held.

SEC. 404. ORDERS.

The Attorney General may issue an order prohibiting the sale or transfer of any firearm that the Attorney General finds has been transferred or distributed in violation of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or a regulation issued under this Act.

SEC. 405. INJUNCTIVE ENFORCEMENT.

The Attorney General may bring an action to restrain any violation of this Act or an amendment made by this Act in the district court of the United States for any district in which the violation has occurred, or in which the defendant is found or transacts business.

TITLE V--FIREARM INJURY INFORMATION AND RESEARCH

SEC. 501. DUTIES OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

(a) In General- The Attorney General shall--

(1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse to collect, investigate, analyze, and disseminate data and information relating to the causes and prevention of death and injury associated with firearms;

(2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and

(3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures for each licensed manufacturer.

(b) Availability of Information- Periodically, but not less frequently than annually, the Attorney General shall report to the Congress and make available to the public a report on the activities of the Attorney General under subsection (a).

TITLE VI--EFFECT ON STATE LAW

SEC. 601. EFFECT ON STATE LAW.

(a) In General- This Act and the amendments made by this Act may not be construed to preempt any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision of that State, or prevent a State or political subdivision of that State from enacting any provision of law regulating or prohibiting conduct with respect to firearms, except to the extent that the provision of law is inconsistent with any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act, and then only to the extent of the inconsistency.

(b) Rule of Interpretation- A provision of State law is not inconsistent with this Act or an amendment made by this Act if the provision imposes a regulation or prohibition of greater scope or a penalty of greater severity than a corresponding prohibition or penalty imposed by this Act or an amendment made by this Act.

SEC. 602. CERTIFICATION OF STATE FIREARM LICENSING SYSTEMS AND STATE FIREARM RECORD OF SALE SYSTEMS.

Upon a written request of the chief executive officer of a State, the Attorney General may certify--

(1) a firearm licensing system established by a State, if State law requires the system to satisfy the requirements applicable to the Federal firearm licensing system established under title I; or

(2) a firearm record of sale system established by a State, if State law requires the head of the State agency that administers the system to submit to the Federal firearm record of sale system established under section 202(b) a copy of each report submitted to the head of the agency under section 202(a), within 7 days after receipt of the report.

TITLE VII--RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER LAW

SEC. 701. SUBORDINATION TO ARMS EXPORT CONTROL ACT.

In the event of any conflict between any provision of this Act or an amendment made by this Act, and any provision of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751), the provision of the Arms Export Control Act shall control.

TITLE VIII--INAPPLICABILITY

SEC. 801. INAPPLICABILITY TO GOVERNMENTAL AUTHORITIES.

This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall not apply to any department or agency of the United States, of a State, or of a political subdivision of a State, or to any official conduct of any officer or employee of such a department or agency.

TITLE IX--EFFECTIVE DATE

SEC. 901. EFFECTIVE DATE OF AMENDMENTS.

The amendments made by this Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:21 PM
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1. What a waste of virtual space.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:23 PM
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2. How dare there be minimal licensing requirements for devices that can kill people!
n/t
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Codename46 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:39 PM
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5. How dare there be some things called fundamental rights!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:54 PM
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8. Yes -- you should have the right to drive around with no license and no papers, too!
Let's infantalize the ownership of everything, so we can stick with our NRA talking points!
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Codename46 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:55 PM
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9. Exactly, because the Constitution guarantees the right to drive a car!
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:22 PM
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12. Sigh. You stalled adolescents and your gun fetishes. Waah waah waah!
I don't wanna be responsible fer anything! I just wanna shoot my widdle firesticks!

And let anyone shoot anything anywhere! The NRA told me it's fair! Waah waah waah!

And with that -- it's "click" time!
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:29 PM
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17. You really should keep your toddler off the computer.
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bossy22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:14 PM
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10. well guess what
you do have that right...as long as its on your own property or private property on which you have permission to operate a motor vehicle....i remember on my cousins farm upstate i drove a car around when i was 12...its perfectly legal...

a license to drive a car is no more than a license to operate such vehicle on public roads.

in fact i was involved in a traffic court case which involved this....i will start

i live on a private road...a pretty big private road...but private non-the less. I was driving out of my drive way (not wearing my seatbelt) and down the road and there happened to be a cop about 500 feet down the road (the reason he was there i dont know why). I passed the officer at a slow speed without realizing my seatbelt was unbuckled- well he realized and a got a quick "woop woop" So to shorten the story, he gave me a ticket for failing to wear my seatbelt...i went to court to argue the ticket and won... the judge told the cop that the "the vehicular laws of the state of new york do not apply on private roads"

so yes...i do not support licensing a firearm for possession on ones property- carrying in public is a different story. Owning a firearm is not a privilege it is a right...as much as you may disagree with this right or claim it to be non-existent it is recognized as enforceable law...and that is the only thing that matters in this case. its not about whats right or wrong...its whats legal or illegal
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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:26 PM
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16. You can
As long as you are on your own property, or use a farm vehicle.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 11:44 AM
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21. There ARE licensing requirements if you want to carry one in public,
just like the licensing requirements to operate a car in public (but NOT to possess one or operate it on your own property or on a track).

And if licensing WERE passed, would you then be 100% OK with licensed "ordinary Joes/Janes" owning as many AR-15's, civilian AK's, Glocks, and full-capacity magazines for same as they wish, and storing them in their homes as they see fit? Or would you then try to reduce the availability of such guns, increase the qualifications required to own them, increase the fees, and/or institute mandatory storage guidelines?

Thought so...
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:24 PM
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3. Welcome to DU, nice agends "Click"
Bye gunnie.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:32 PM
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18. An honest question here.
Someone referred to your injury. May I ask what happened?

David
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:36 PM
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4. just a wee tad meaningless without this

doncha think?

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General- In this Act:

... (2) QUALIFYING FIREARM- The term `qualifying firearm' has the meaning given the term in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by subsection (b) of this section.

(b) Amendment to Title 18, United States Code- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(36) The term `qualifying firearm'--

`(A) means--

`(i) any handgun; or
`(ii) any semiautomatic firearm that can accept any detachable ammunition feeding device; and

`(B) does not include any antique.'.


I think I like it! I mean, I would certainly recommend it to anyone of the US persuasion. ;)




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Codename46 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:40 PM
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6. Well, it's a good thing you're not from around here, then.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:46 PM
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7. you said it, sibling

I thank my stars daily.

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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:12 AM
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20. No need to worry about the AG abusing this for political purposes
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 05:22 AM by friendly_iconoclast
Because we'll never have an A. Mitchell Palmer or Alberto Gonazales using this law
to set up a Freikorps while disarming the 'unsuitable'. Right?

This is for those who think this is a good idea

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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:20 PM
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11. How many obnoxious things in one law..
Let's see..

-registration
-licensing
-no private sales
-no 'except under adult supervision' so forget teaching your child to shoot a pistol
-criminalizes failure to report theft
-criminalizes failure to report CHANGE OF ADDRESS?!?!?
-applies to hunting rifles that have detachable mags
-applies to shotguns with a detachable magazine
-probably wouldn't apply to AR-15's made 'california legal' by use of a 'bullet button'
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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:23 PM
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14. so now we license rights???
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 11:29 PM by rangersmith82
You don't need a license to own or drive a car BTW, you only need one to register and operate it on public highways.

I have a old VW bug, and I didn't register it, as it has no title, just a bill of sale.

I drive it around my property, sorta like a big 4 wheeler with a roof and heat.

Do you have to got to a car dealer to sell your car???

no!!!

Do you have to possess a license to operate a vehicle on you own property???

hell no!!!

So why would I agree to a BS gun license??


I have my own property(30+ acres) and can drive around on my land with no license whatsoever.

I don't think I should have to ask permission to keep my constitutional rights every 5 years for a small fee.

Registration leads to confiscation, just look what happen to the spineless peasants in Britain.

We are not cowards who will just roll over and give up our rights.

I swear as god as my witness I will never vote for any federal official who allows this to pass, i will vote 3rd party if necessary.

No way am I gonna kiss any Attorney Generals ass to keep my property/firearms
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:15 PM
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13. Unfortunately for the antis...it would appear to be unconstitutional.
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 11:39 PM by beevul
At least according to MURDOCK v. COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA:


It is contended, however, that the fact that the license tax can suppress or control this activity is unimportant <319 U.S. 105, 113> if it does not do so. But that is to disregard the nature of this tax. It is a license tax – a flat tax imposed on the exercise of a privilege granted by the Bill of Rights.A state may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the federal constitution. Thus, it may not exact a license tax for the privilege of carrying on interstate commerce (McGoldrick v. Berwind-White Co., 309 U.S. 33, 56-58, 60 S.Ct. 388, 397, 398, 128 A.L.R. 876), although it may tax the property used in, or the income derived from, that commerce, so long as those taxes are not discriminatory. Id., 309 U.S. at page 47, 60 S.Ct. at page 392, 128 A.L.R. 876 and cases cited. A license tax applied to activities guaranteed by the First Amendment would have the same destructive effect. It is true that the First Amendment, like the commerce clause, draws no distinction between license taxes, fixed sum taxes, and other kinds of taxes. But that is no reason why we should shut our eyes to the nature of the tax and its destructive influence. The power to impose a license tax on the exercise of these freedoms is indeed as potent as the power of censorship which this Court has repeatedly struck down. Lovell v. Griffin, 303 U.S. 444, 58 S.Ct. 666; Schneider v. State, supra; Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296, 306, 60 S.Ct. 900, 904, 128 A.L.R. 1352; Largent v. Texas, 318 U.S. 418, 63 S.Ct. 667, 87 L.Ed. --; Jamison v. Texas, supra. It was for that reason that the dissenting opinions in Jones v. Opelika, supra, stressed the nature of this type of tax. 316 U.S. at pages 607-609, 620, 623, 62 S.Ct. at pages 1243, 1244, 1250, 1251, 141 A.L.R. 514. In that case, as in the present ones, we have something very different from a registration system under which those going from house to house are required to give their names, addresses and other marks of identification to the authorities. In all of these cases the issuance of the permit or license is dependent on the payment of a license tax. And the license tax is fixed in amount and unrelated to the scope of the activities of petitioners or to their realized revenues. It is not a nominal fee <319 U.S. 105, 114> imposed as a regulatory measure to defray the expenses of policing the activities in question.<8> It is in no way apportioned. It is a flat license tax levied and collected as a condition to the pursuit of activities whose enjoyment is guaranteed by the First Amendment. Accordingly, it restrains in advance those constitutional liberties of press and religion and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. That is almost uniformly recognized as the inherent vice and evil of this flat license tax. As stated by the Supreme Court of Illinois in a case involving this same sect and an ordinance similar to the present one, a person cannot be compelled 'to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.'<9> Blue Island v. Kozul, 379 Ill. 511, 519, 41 N.E.2d 515, 519. So it may not be said that proof is lacking that these license taxes either separately or cumulatively have restricted or are likely to restrict petitioners' religious activities. On their face they are a restriction of the free exercise of those freedoms which are protected by the First Amendment.

(underlining and emphasis mine)

And Follett v. Town of McCormick, 321 U.S. 573 (1944) - a later case, and its outcome was much the same.


I imagine that isn't going to sit well with some folks.



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rangersmith82 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 11:25 PM
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15. Very nice!!!
My blood pressure is returning to normal now.

Thanks
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 12:36 PM
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22. Well, that sounds nice and all.
But I already pay more than this in fees for my concealed weapons permit, which at least *I* consider part of that 'bear arms' bit.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 02:38 PM
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23. Until Heller there was no precedent that RKBA was even a right
You can't sue the state that the fee/tax is unconstitutional if the courts haven't yet recognized that the action which is being taxed is a right.

Cart before the Horse.

NOW that Heller has confirmed that the 2nd does indeed guarantee the RKBA and it is a civil right such a lawsuit can go forward.

My understanding is that Alan Gura is interesting is such a case. At one point (for well over 150 years) having a poll fee/tax was considered Constitutional. Elections are expensive and the state has a right to charge a fee to cover that cost. Right?

The courts ruled they don't. Even when the fee is modest, universally applied and all of the proceeds are used to defray the cost of holding an election.

I think we will see the 2nd amendment version of "Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections". It could be that in the future the state can have any type of permit, background check, licensing, or registration system it wants however the cost can't be passed onto the individual owner exercising his/her right but rather paid for by society as a whole.

Just wait for the antis to explode if/when that happens.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:37 PM
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19. This bill will go nowhere
I don't think any politician would be foolish enough to pass this.

SEC. 402. REGULATIONS.

(a) In General- The Attorney General shall issue regulations governing the licensing of possessors of qualifying firearms and the recorded sale of qualifying firearms, consistent with this Act and the amendments made by this Act, as the Attorney General determines to be reasonably necessary to reduce or prevent deaths or injuries resulting from qualifying firearms, and to assist law enforcement in the apprehension of owners or users of qualifying firearms used in criminal activity.

So the Attorney General can make any sort of capricious and arbitrary rules regarding handguns, with that authority extending all the way to total banning.
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24. Bobba Rush: Blago's OKgo cause there's no blacks in the Senate /nt
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