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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 11:55 AM Original message |
Chicago's handgun ban has no apparent effect on rising crime wave |
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amdezurik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. just goes to show there are to many loopholes |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. I'll think on that while I light up a fatty (nt) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. A loophole is an ambiguity or omission in a law that allows the intent to be evaded legally |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. And how will registration reduce crime? |
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8Kilo1 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
65. The answer |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. The overwhelming majority of illegal guns were stolen from private individuals |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. really? |
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8Kilo1 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Sorry, you're wrong... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. What works in Cheyenne may work in Chicago. n/t |
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patriotvoice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Ding ding. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
3. In other news... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Agree, incorporation is the next major milestone after Heller. n/t |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. "getting their guns out of state" |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No, it's just sufficient reason to stop trying to use this method to save their youth. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Dead wrong. |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Whatever means? No, that's the problem. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Actually you discipline the hell out of your oldest |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. These aren't ordinary kids... |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-08 06:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. There's one piece of legislation that could bring Chicago's gang violence to a screeching halt... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
52. So doing away with our basic rights |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Maybe they could go after gangs instead |
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virginia mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Uhh... As a Virginia Resident... |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 04:35 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. That is an incredibly good question |
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8Kilo1 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Different Problems |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. So you agree that gun ban does not work. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-21-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. why make sense when you can spew crap? |
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8Kilo1 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-22-08 06:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Guess What? |
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mitchleary (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
7. what needs to happen is |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. If the offender has a prior felony conviction... |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. A "ban" on anything won't work if people really want to do/use |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yeah, ask Great Britain. |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. And as a result... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. You're kidding me, right? |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I couldn't find any info to confirm if it's a joke or not... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Great Britain is considering banning pointy kitchen knives... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. do you read things you post? |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Then they better ban these too: |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Tsk tsk! |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. They have a pretty high violent crime rate |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. Considering that the violent crime rate in Britain is higher now than it was before guns were banned |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. and your farts |
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Yavapai (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Ewww! Somebody just passed some ivergas |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-17-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. But wouldn't you rather be stabbed or beaten to death than shot to death? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-17-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. read much? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Murders and other violent crime went up |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. just reality |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I think I get it |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
60. Ban guns, violent crime increases |
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8Kilo1 (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. You might wish to rethink that... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. well howdy |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Ask a country that wants to ban fire extinguishers? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. You DO remember who we won independence from........? |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. English lawmakers hate knives too, you would hope to ban those also? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-17-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. enjoying the conversation? |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. They never do. Violent crime rates change irregardless of the number of guns available. |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
29. Chicago is now famous for crooked politicians, |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Chicago is now famous????? |
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Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
31. The murder rate was high this year due to a gang war |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. If so, why not go after gangs not guns? (n/t) |
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raimius (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. That would make sense |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Exactly, enforcing laws costs money... |
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Codename46 (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-08 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
43. ...butbutbut....depakid said that there's OVERWHELMINGLY OVERWHELMING evidence that says otherwise.. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
44. No one elses handgun ban ever did either -it is an incredibly stupid |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-17-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. that's certainly true |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-17-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Geneva is a war zone. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. like I said |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Another emphasis: |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. relevance? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Deleted message |
iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-18-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. oh my |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
61. Clearly they need to ban guns even more |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That'll teach 'em! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. oh look |
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