“House Passes Bill To Ease DC Gun Restrictions” Feinstein promises filibuster

[jody]

House Passes Bill To Ease DC Gun Restrictions

The House passed a major rollback of DC gun laws on Wednesday morning, however the bill faces stiff opposition in the Senate and faces little chance of becoming law.

Lawmakers voted 260-160 to amend a bill proposed by DC Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton regarding the District's gun laws.

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California Democrat Dianne Feinstein told CQ that she would do everything in her power to block the legislation.

“I’d filibuster it. You bet your life I would,” Feinstein said. “I think it is the height of folly.”

This bill and the Democratic Party platform promising to reinstate the assault weapons ban could easily prevent Obama from carrying must-win states like FL (27) PA (21) OH (20) MI (17), electoral votes in parenthesis.

Apparently the Heller case settled little and in October we'll see the biggest battle yet over RKBA.

On one side we have the gun-grabber community with its congressperson-troops from CA, MA, NY and key senators from CA, MA, NY and a supporting force stirred up by the Scary Brady Bunch and Violence Policy Center with funds from the Joyce Foundation at al.

On the other side we have the pro-RKBA community represented by the overwhelming majority of congresspersons from the remaining 40+ states and a supporting force of 54 million gun-owners stirred up by the National Rifle Association and its 4.3 million members.

In spite of many who post on DU saying RKBA is not a significant issue that can win or lose presidential elections, it appears that in October we may see battles over RKBA that could dwarf anything we've seen in previous elections.

[billyoc]

1. Let me get this straight, the war profiteer Feinstein,

oh fuck it

[SteveM]

2. Goddam, she got a CCW when SHE needed it. Gun-grabbing addict (nt)

[TPaine7]

3. Don't forget, a lot more than 54 million Americans respect the Second Amendment

American Voters "Overwhelmingly" Agree with Supreme Court Ruling: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x177676

Diane is playing with fire, and Obama needs to bring her into line. This demands real leadership. I really don't want to hear the words "President Palin" or even "President McCain".

*crosses fingers*

[jody]

4. I agree "bring her into line" but we pro-RKBA DUers are ignored by DU after years of presenting fact

and our posts are banished to the Guns forum that is called the Gungeon, IMO a term meant to be derogatory.

I've observed 7+ years of DU discussion in which the pro-RKBA community presented their case to DUers and I still find many DUers ignorant of such basic facts as "semiautomatic versus automatic firearm" and the phrase "assault weapon" invented by the Violence Policy Center to scare people into supporting bans of semiautomatic firearms.

I'm not surprised that Obama doesn't realize the potential risk he faces in PA, OH, MI by listening only to one side of the Second Amendment issue from people like VPC leaders who asked the Joyce Foundation to fund its programs and prominent Democratic leaders from MA, NY, and CA.

[iverglas]

12. I'm just curious

Diane is playing with fire, and Obama needs to bring her into line.

Is there a particular reason for referring to a female elected Democrat by her given name, and a male elected Democrat by his surname?

[SteveM]

23. Probably following Hillary's lead. (Did you note her campaign signs?) nt

[iverglas]

31. Well

I dunno. Did Feinstein or Pelosi choose to be known publicly by her first name?

Not that I'm aware of.

[SteveM]

35. Most of Hillary's signs said "Hillary." She started a trend!

[iverglas]

36. ah yes

All cats are grey in the dark, and all women are the same as all other women.

That explains Sarah Palin, as I understand it.

[SteveM]

49. No, just explains how Hillary used her first name on campaign signs (nt)

[iverglas]

51. yes, and thus has absolutely nothing to do with anything

n/t

[SteveM]

57. Been studying nihilism lately? (nt)

[apocalypsehow]

65. Been studying the dictionary lately?

Start.

[one-eyed fat man]

5. Bloviating blowhards

with anti-gun credentials are not in short supply in the Senate. Despite the fact Harry Reid is pretty much pro gun I suspect he will work hard to keep this off the floor. The last thing he wants is a floor vote that will require two Senators with previously sterling anti-gun positions to have to come in and vote on the record one way or the other.

Discharge petitions also exist in the United States Senate, and require only 30 signatures. However, they are practically powerless and more a ceremonial registering of a dispute. Still, it could be used as a vehicle to force a vote on a divisive issue as close to the election as possible. I suspect strongly the Party leadership will try vigorously to run the clock out on this one and hope no one notices.

That provides cover to those up for election/re-election to "play the crowd" and declare how they would have voted if they hadn't run out of time.

[SteveM]

24. Feinstein is spoiling for a fight in an empty barroom. The Senate won't consider it.

[jeepnstein]

6. Feinstein..

will do what the party leadership tells her. Or maybe she wants to be the one who takes the blame for losing a close election? It didn't slide through the House that easily without some official sanction from the powers-that-be. Maybe she hasn't read Heller yet, or maybe it's time for her to go.

[one-eyed fat man]

7. it didn't slide through the House

A Republican sponsored bill was going to come to the floor of the House through a discharge petition. 218 signatures gets a bill out of committee and out for a vote. That is a slap on the Speaker and the Party leadership since it requires defections from the majority for it to happen.

Faced with that prospect Speaker Pelosi did the best she could to come up with version she and the Party could take credit for instead of handing another "gun-grabber Dems moment" to the Thugs on a silver platter. If she had forced Party discipline she risked the seats of pro-gun Democrats who would have to explain why they caved to the 'gun-grabber wing' of the Party to their constituents.

If Mayor Fenty and the DC council had made an honest effort to comply with Constitution this issue would not be out there. I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that Speaker Nancy is unwilling to risk becoming the Minority Whip over the District's obstinate desire to play fast and loose with Heller.

[iverglas]

13. and the same question

Mayor Fenty ... Speaker Nancy ...

Damn. Me, I'm just seeing a pattern here.

What could it mean?

[krispos42]

14. Clusters of letters

grouped together to form words!

:rofl:

:rimshot:

Thanks, folks, I'm here all week. Tell your friends!




:-)

[iverglas]

18. and you're a card

For my own next trick: see post 12!

[SteveM]

25. And I take your trick with post 23.

[iverglas]

30. Euchre?

USAmericans are not allowed to play euchre. That is the purview of bored grade thirteens in Ontario high schools. Before they abolished grade 13.

My sibs and I used to play euchre with my dad when we were young. His dad was an officer in the British military, where they took their euchre seriously. We kids would make trump on a ten and a queen, just to make my dad crazy. And win.

[WWFZD]

32. I didn't know they played Euchre

in Canada. It's not something I thought about often but I thought it was just an Ohio, MI, and maybe IN game. I've played it since I was a little kid. I believe I learned Euchre after Poker but before Hearts and Spades. I've played it for a fair amount of coin too, prefer it to Poker. And with the right partner I'm not bad, ain't that always how it works. Roller Coasters? Euchre? Now if we could just get past that pesky gun thing;)

[iverglas]

39. Now where do you think

those northeastern states got their Euchre from??

Myself, these days, I favour a couple of other card games. They are called, respectively, Old Bitch and Spite & Malice.

Haha. There just isn't even anything left for any smartasses in the vicinity to say, is there?

If only I could ever find anybody to remind me of the rules to Kings. There are several rounds of four hands with four people. First, take no Kings. Then, take no Kings or Jacks. Then a couple of rounds of Hearts. The aim is to get a score of zero at the end. The basic reason why I can't remember the rest is that in the big house on the hill, it was generally played after ingesting a substance that took about as long to become fully psychoactive as it took to play the full game.

So yes, weren't you a little young? ;)

I'm actually convinced that given a couple of weeks to get up to par, I could outshoot the whole lot of you.

[SteveM]

34. Yeah, our family used to play it a lot. And hearts. And spades.

[iverglas]

40. And Rumoli!

[jeepnstein]

20. That's my point.

The House knew it needed to take action to defend it's majority. What action did they take? Well it sure wasn't trying to seize their moral high ground and push for a ban. No, they caved and worked up a bill so they could get out in front of the issue. This shows me that the leadership knows it's on the losing side of the issue and they are trying to move a bit. You would have never seen this in a million years without Heller.

Remember Heller, the case the NRA didn't want to take for some reason? It didn't fit their agenda of promoting politicians through fund raising. With the Supreme Court heading towards establishing the 2nd Amendment as an individual right akin to Speech, it rather tends to diminish the need for a fund raising juggernaut. What does the NRA do for the big bucks when the law is eventually settled in favor of individual rights?

The times they are a changing. It's a good time for a young politician to get on the right side of an issue that could help them sink or swim.

[virginia mountainman]

8. Feinstein...

She is on the main ones, that cost us the congress in 1994 with that damned AW ban....

Now she is at it again...

Someone tell me, how many days till the election??

[hogwyld]

38. Maybe, being so close to someone that was murdered

can affect someone that way.

Half an hour before the press conference, Supervisor Dan White entered City Hall through a basement window to avoid metal detectors and made his way to Mayor Moscone's office, where witnesses heard shouting between White and Moscone, then gunshots as White shot the mayor once in the arm, then three times in the head after Moscone had fallen on the floor.<102> White then quickly walked to his former office, reloading his police-issue revolver along the way, and intercepted Harvey Milk, asking him to step inside for a moment. President of the Board of Supervisors Dianne Feinstein heard gunshots, and called the police. She found Milk face down on the floor, shot five times: twice in the head at close range. Feinstein was shaking so badly afterward she required support from the police chief after identifying both bodies.<101> It was she who announced to the press, "Today San Francisco has experienced a double tragedy of immense proportions... It is my duty to inform you that both Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk have been shot and killed", then adding after being drowned out by shouts of disbelief, "and the suspect is Supervisor Dan White".<47><101> Milk was 48 years old. Moscone was 49.

[virginia mountainman]

42. I am sorry for her, but that DOES NOT GIVE HER THE RIGHT...

To infringe on MY rights...PERIOD...

[hogwyld]

43. Well, maybe she honestly doesn't want

to see other people gunned down. Sometimes, people are deeply affected by circumstances, and they make it their life's work to prevent further tragedy. Just like a number of other activists such as the founders of MADD, etc. don't want further deaths. I honestly think if something similar had happened to you, we'd be hearing a different tune.

Edited for spelling oops.

[bossy22]

44. MADD in my mind has turned into a

neo-prohibitionist movement

there core principles i support- but i think they have gone to far. Even MADD's founder has said so.

I remember i was at a conference at my high school where they were lobbying the state to move the the .08 limit down to a .04- which means if you had ONE drink and drove you would ruin your life...not to mention the facts dont support that move

the median BAC of a driver involved in a DUI crash is about .14- lowering the acceptable BAC level will not change this nor solve the problem


what im trying to say is that a good cause can turn radical and illogical if dictated by emotion...Fienstiens agenda on guns is radical- its also illegal

[SteveM]

68. Yep, MADD has gone prohibitionist...

Most organizations which want to restrict the use of certain things are thwart behavior will, once they have some success, become addicted to ever-more restrictions. In this way, they not only preserve organizational bureaucracy, but pump up an individual's moral certitude and superiority.

I once had a person publicly cuss me out when I remarked that anti-smoking organizations were not content with banning smoking from indoor public accommodation (and even private clubs), but were moving to ban the practice in the outdoors while within city limits, citing a city in California. I was described as a conspiracy theorist and a liar. Of course, I shut this person down in public and told her to Google it up. Never spoke to me since.

MADD WILL move toward alcohol prohibition.
the anti-smoking groups WILL move toward tobacco prohibition.
gun-controllers ARE moving toward prohibition.

They can't get enough; they're addicted.

[krispos42]

9. Christ, let it go, Feinstein

YOUR home state has all the gun laws it wants. Go back and bask in the glorious crime-free, gun-free paradise that is California.



Fuck.

Heller was suppose to take the issue off of the table for us. Turns out the damn Repubs STILL managed to get us in a fucking bind!!!

[TellTheTruth82]

10. Hate to say it

But we didn't need any help from the Republicans. We (democrats) managed and keep on managing to shoot ourselves in the foot over this issue.

[slackmaster]

11. Senator Feinstein is on a "mission" when it comes to firearms

She has a personal, emotional involvement in it that transcends reason and logic.

[bossy22]

16. senator feinstein's "mission"

stems from the tragic incident back in the 1960's when the mayor and a couple of other politicians were assisinated using guns. Ever since then she has been extremely emotional on the issue.

[virginia mountainman]

17. With her CCW permit..

She REALLY "smells like good ol'fashioned Elitism"

[bossy22]

19. in truth

she no longer holds a CCW permit

but she would readily violate the US constitution in order to get her agenda through

[virginia mountainman]

21. So it is not "convenient" for her now??

Still, when she needed it, she had it...

Anyway you cut it, "when I can, and YOU can't" still smacks of elitism and of being a big time hypocrite.

[bossy22]

22. true

if she wanted, she could get it

[slackmaster]

26. That's exactly what I am talking about

The assassinations of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk in 1978.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense



She will do ANYTHING to reduce the kinds of guns that are available, or make it harder for people to acquire them.

[jody]

27. Doesn't NYC's Sullivan Act have a similar history? n/t

[benEzra]

33. Tammany Hall mobster "Big Tim" Sullivan got the Sullivan Act passed

to aggregate more power to himself, and to give him another carrot/stick combination to help him control his underlings and would-be rivals. It allowed him to arm or disarm people's bodyguards at will, among other things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Act

He and others whipped up fear of immigrants in order to get the law passed.

[one-eyed fat man]

28. Twinkie defense (1978)

Dan White used the "Twinkie defense" to beat the murder charge. It was reduced to manslaughter and he did 5 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_White

[iverglas]

75. you cite, and still misrepresent

Dan White used the "Twinkie defense" to beat the murder charge. It was reduced to manslaughter and he did 5 years.

No, he didn't.

From the wiki article (emphases mine):

At his trial, White's defense argued that White's mental state at the time of the killings was one of diminished capacity due to depression. Therefore, they argued, he was not capable of premeditating his act of violence, and thus was not legally guilty of first-degree murder. Among several factors cited as evidence of White's depressed state was his consumption of sugary junk food (previously uncharacteristic of White, a health food advocate) in the months preceding the assassination. In the press, White's consumption of sugary junk food was widely misreported; the press reported as though White claimed that sugar in the food had caused (rather than reflected) his state of depression. White's defense was labeled "the Twinkie defense."

Any clearer to everybody yet?

[frebrd]

74. I believe it was 1978, just after Thanksgiving - I lived in Oakland at the time. n/t

[spin]

15. If this election is close, Feinstein's efforts may cost the Democrats...

the Presidency and some seats in Congress.

The NRA and the Republicans will use her opposition to portray Democrats as the same old anti-gun party of the past. The pro-gun base of the Republican Party will be energized and show up at the polls to support McCain and Palin.

McCain is no real friend of gun owners and has had an F- rating from the Gun Owners of America in 2004 and 2006 and only a C+ from the NRA in 2004.

Nowhere is McCain's chicanery and duplicity more jeopardous than in the area of the right to keep and bear arms. On issues relating to the Second Amendment, John McCain is a disaster! For example, the highly respected Gun Owners of America (GOA) rates McCain with a grade of F-. McCain's failing grade is well deserved.
http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm
http://www.gunowners.org/mcgungrab.htm

The NRA gave McCain a mediocre C-plus rating in 2004, but since then his pro-gun voting record as a senator has been 100 percent. While some activists in the gun-ownership movement are still suspicious of McCain, his voting is vastly better than that of his two Democratic opponents, Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. Each is graded F by the NRA.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/mccains_money_mess.html

True, she will reassure voters in the liberal blue states but most will vote for Democrats anyhow . McCain's moose hunting VP will encourage the pro-gun voters to hold their noses and vote for McCain. Feinstein and her anti-gun position will lose more votes than it will gain.

Why does our party continue to shoot itself in the foot over this gun control issue? Gun control should focus on taking weapons form criminals not honest people.

[Gman]

29. I'll K&R this because it may well be a huge issue in some important swing states

like it or not. You've got to get into Bubba's head to understand this. But that's how a great many of them vote.

[hogwyld]

37. You go Girl!!

At least someone in Congress has the spine to stand up to the gun industry.

[jody]

41. Shame she didn't filibuster the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 that's now law. n/t

[Dimensio0]

46. Please explain your position

Are you praising Mrs. Feinstein's willingness to ignore the protections established in the United States Constitution and to ignore United States Supreme Court rulings?

[hogwyld]

48. No, I'm cheering her on in her pursuit

of changing that law. We do have (still) the right to challenge, and if necessary, change laws. I applaud her efforts to bring sanity to our current gun obsessed culture.

[Dimensio0]

56. Please explain your statement.

How, exactly, is violating the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution through unnecessary and overbearing restrictions on civilian firearms ownership sane?

[bossy22]

71. she is not bringing sanity

she is forcing her beliefs on people- she is no different then any other person with an agenda

The thing is she is the oddball in the senate- a part of a very small minority

[Recursion]

53. "The gun industry". Snicker...

I suppose you think the companies that make guns are behind NRA lobbying? You need to learn a lot more about this subject...

[hogwyld]

55. Who exactly do you think

is paying to put all those ad in their gun porno magazines?

[Recursion]

58. Um ad space in niche magazines is ridiculously cheap

[DrCory]

69. Must leave a most bitter taste...

Praising an enabler of war profiteering.

[aikoaiko]

45. This is a disaster to have this happen just before the election.

Her blocking reasonable gun laws in DC only makes it harder for Democrats running for election.

[old mark]

47. She has always been aliar, and she has not changed art all.

She does not want YOU to have a gun. She ahd her rich pals will have them, though, because they are better people and are responsible.

She is such a shit, I can't stand to even look at her - I get a reaction almost as bad as when I see Bush.

mark

[iverglas]

50. if I'm reading this one correctly -- "a liar" --

She has always been aliar, and she has not changed art all.

-- you are calling a long-serving elected Democrat a liar. Past and present.

Did you want to, uh, clarify at all?


There is just such a lot of envy in this place, isn't there?

Someone else actually IS a member of the élite -- is elected to one very important and responsible position after another -- and you all just can't stand it.

The idea that someone else might have a whole lot more reason to fear assassination and feel a need to do something to avert it ... given that one of the offices she held was vacated by the murder of the person who previously held it, in particular ... nope, that's just not on. You're all just as important as she is.

The damned thing is: you all are not.

But no. It just can't be that some people actually are élite enough to attract enemies and nutbars who want to do them harm. That would mean that those people were more important than you all, and you all just coudn't stand to have that idea in your heads.


By the way. Speaking of truth telling. Did you have something to substantiate the "aliar" allegation (in this context obviously; who among us is not a liar?), or this one? --

She does not want YOU to have a gun.


This one, of course --

She is such a shit, I can't stand to even look at her - I get a reaction almost as bad as when I see Bush.

-- well, that's just your opinion, I guess.

[Irreverend IX]

52. Some animals are more equal than others, eh?

Your facade is slipping. It looks like those "progressive" ideas of yours are really just a smokescreen for a medieval lord-and-serf ideology. I would think that a core tenet of any liberal, progressive worldview is that the life of an average citizen is just as valuable as the life of a senator. And merely being elected to an office does not make a person worthy of any degree of respect--after all, Sarah Palin, Phil Gramm, James Inhofe and many other troglodytes were all duly elected. The main thing a person demonstrates by getting elected to public office is their talent for lying and backstabbing, but perhaps those are skills you hold in esteem.

[iverglas]

54. You should stop beating that dog, eh?

From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her need ...


I would think that a core tenet of any liberal, progressive worldview is that the life of an average citizen is just as valuable as the life of a senator.

Maybe you could go bleat at somebody who said otherwise.

And merely being elected to an office does not make a person worthy of any degree of respect

Maybe you could go bleat at somebody who said otherwise.

The main thing a person demonstrates by getting elected to public office is their talent for lying and backstabbing, but perhaps those are skills you hold in esteem.

Gobble gobble. But hey, let me admire your talent for it.

And of course note the frothing envy that just oozes from your post.

[Name removed]

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[tburnsten]

59. Except that her predecessor wasn't assassinated

"Someone else actually IS a member of the élite -- is elected to one very important and responsible position after another -- and you all just can't stand it.

The idea that someone else might have a whole lot more reason to fear assassination and feel a need to do something to avert it ... given that one of the offices she held was vacated by the murder of the person who previously held it, in particular ... nope, that's just not on. You're all just as important as she is."

Anyone can be murdered by a guy who happens to have lost his marbles, like Dan White did. How does her job make her any more or less likely to encounter a troubled individual? In fact, I would say her job puts her at significantly lower risk of being harmed by a disturbed person, since she has both armed security and she interacts almost entirely with other high-ranking individuals, who are a population that doesn't often randomly murder others.

[iverglas]

60. some simple answers

How does her job make her any more or less likely to encounter a troubled individual?

Mark David Chapman
John Hinckley
Dan White
James Kopp

Any of them try to kill you?

[tburnsten]

61. Again, Dan White wasn't an assassin

He was just a disturbed individual, he could have worked anywhere, except he was what, police commissioner? His high position in the police organization is what put him near her predecessor, not an intentional targeting of him.

[iverglas]

62. I answered your question

Can I take your answer to mine as read?

[iverglas]

63. oh

he was what, police commissioner?

No.

So you can feel free to delete the nonsensical theory you followed that with:

His high position in the police organization is what put him near her predecessor, not an intentional targeting of him.

And then to learn your own history. That's why they invented google.

Of course, hell, you never know. There might be ignoramuses in the vicinity who might believe you.

Here's a handy thumbnail for them:

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews/twinkie.htm

Who Was Dan White

Dan White was a typical all-American-boy born and raised in San Francisco. He was a policeman and then a fireman and then ran for Supervisor in the heavily conservative Irish-Catholic working class neighborhood known as District 8. He promised to restore traditional values to San Francisco city government. He promised to rid San Francisco of "radicals, social deviates, and incorrigibles".

At that time, Supervisors were considered part-time employees and were paid $9,800 per year. White soon found that he could not support his family on that small salary. and in November 1978, having been in office less than a year, White submitted his resignation to the Mayor. There were 11 members of the Board of Supervisors. Six of them, including White, were conservative, and were able to block many liberal measures. The liberals, especially Harvey Milk, were elated at the news of his resignation. The mayor, a liberal, had the authority to appoint a replacement supervisor.

On hearing of his resignation, the conservative Police Officers Association and Board of Realtors urged White to change his mind and offered to help him financially. Moscone's first reaction was to allow White to change his mind, but Milk went to his friend the mayor, and reminded him of all his proposals that had been defeated because of the 6-5 conservative majority. Milk also reminded Moscone that White was the only actively anti-gay person on the board and that Moscone was up for re-election the following year. Without the Gay vote, he would have difficulty being re-elected.

Moscone promised to announce his decision on Monday morning, November 27th, but made no effort to keep his decision against White secret. However, he did not bother to contact White at any time during the weekend. By Monday morning White's rage had reached a peak and he loaded his gun and went downtown. ...

"Disburbed", by the way?

Suffering from untreated depression is about as "disturbed" as that one gets. And "diminished capacity" was the effect that had on the verdict, which was "guilty". And just to dispel the nonsense that gets yammered around:

In reality, White's new found junk food habit was offered as evidence of his depression, not as the cause of it.

[WWFZD]

73. Nope, none of those individuals tried to kill me.

Nobody of any notoriety tried to kill me. Just some lowlife, anonymous, most likely crackhead - it was the early 90's - armed-robber when I was working the night cash register at the 24 hour Big Bear grocery store while paying my way through Ohio State.
He got a cheap Chinese butcher knife off the shelf and took a stab at me. All I received was a nick in the shirt, I was a lot quicker back then, in my early 20's. They had these idiotically designed registers where you stood right next to the customer - boxed in - and passed the scanned merchandise from your left to your right and down the belt.
He got a couple twenties and the food stamps out of the register. I called the cops, filled out the report, finished out the shift, went to the bar next door at 6AM, had a couple Jim Beam and waters and shot the shit with the bartender, went home and went to sleep.
But your point is acknowledged. Had I been slower or had he better aim I would have been just another blurb in the local news. No one of any notoriety almost killed anyone worthy of remembrance, to all but a few, employed in an unnoticed job.

[iverglas]

76. I give up

How would this sad tale have ended differently if you had had a firearm?

No money stolen? Hurray.

I would have been wondering why my employer had knives on display in your place of employment, myself.

I've patronized the local 24-hour 7-11, in a "bad neighbourhood", for about 25 years. The thought of any of the dozens and dozens of people they have had working there in that time, likely hundreds, having access to a firearm in their workplace ... woo, sends shivers down my spine.

Of course, the only weapon I've ever heard of being used in an attempted robbery there was a penknife. The clerk was still laughing about it when I went in a few minutes later.

[WWFZD]

78. Well naturally, if I had my firearm I could have

....uh, uh, uh. Waaadaminit!

I said no word and implied nonesuch nonsense that simple possession of a firearm could have resulted in that situation having a different outcome. One shouldn't interpret another's thoughts/intentions from a single post. Some have become highly incensed when that was done to something he/she posted on this forum.

I give up too. Do full service grocery stores in Canada not sell basic cooking utensils?

Just passin' by ma'am, just passin' by and relating a personal event in my life, that's all;)

[apocalypsehow]

66. Oh, goodee: I get to cast my very first vote in this brand new rating system on a Jody thread.

I can't think of a better - or more deserving - place to start. :thumbsup:

[slackmaster]

70. I just cancelled yours out

:nuke:

[iverglas]

72. I'd missed this one

Done and dusted!

[Tejas]

67. So, what else has Feinstein filibustered in the past 10 years?

I mean, she did such a good job on the telecom debacle.............



oh wait

[Endangered Specie]

77. No way she'll get 40 votes to filibuster it though...

There are at least 12 democratic senators from the deep south/mountain region, you think they are stupid enough to go along with it... NO