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erpowers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 08:35 AM Original message |
Britain's Gun Laws |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good questions. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. UK Gun Laws are among the world's strictest in the world |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Compare the relative rates of gun-related deaths per capita in the UK and the US |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Oddly enough your knives are out of control |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Yes, its as effective as banning red-painted cars... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I think your own graph rather effectively rebuts your case. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. It used to be an 11. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. and do note |
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Howzit (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:27 AM Response to Reply #16 |
66. Interesting how the US homicide rate is dropping while civilian gun ownership is going up |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. The US rate appears to drop continuously during the Clinton years, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Oddly enough, the only people MEANT to be affected by them |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. And even more oddly... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. actually |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. True, but the bulk of discussion about reducing crime via gun control... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. true, but this particular discussion is about the UK |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. we've got into a funny circle here |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. interesting timing |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. If an American millionaire were determined to kill his family and himself, |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. oh, siiiiiiigh |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. His family was going to be killed. The method is not the point. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. snork |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Actually, the U.S. sent in Curtis LeMay. As effective as the A-Bombs (nt) |
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TPaine7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
112. For those with "special needs" |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
105. cooking dinner. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. The UK has CCTV coverage of private homes? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. for the love of fuck |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
104. Yes it can. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. well I just have to say it |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Well I just have to answer it. |
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texasleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
3. Nanny state |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. God forbid that government should look out for the well being of its citizens |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Banning everything under the sun that can cause harm |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Guns in the hands of civilians don't help fight a war. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Tell that to the Warsaw Ghetto resistance |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. could you reply to post 20 please? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. A small number of government weapons |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. noooooooo |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Deleted message |
iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I dunno ... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. I. Yamamoto! Where's my free pitcher? (nt) |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. We're Citizens, not civilians... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. Some problems here... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. curious |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Curiously |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. see no nonsense, hear no nonsense ... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. posted twice out of five attempts; deleted |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Do you believe that line when BushCo spouts it? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. er, which line? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
47. Did the brits ever find what they were "looking out for"? What was it? (nt) |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
4. A good starting point |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Why focus on gun-related violence? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. "if" |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. Problems with your "public health" model... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. yeah; funny, that, isn't it? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Funny, how you get upset when your tinker-toy logic collapses (nt) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. how's about |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
113. How's about you quit noodling with "logic"... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. What evidence can't the CDC collect? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. you really do have a responsibility |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. They didn't mention gun militants or bought and paid for politicians being a problem. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Oh me oh my, I wonder ... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. In regards to Alzheimer's you seem to be speaking from experience. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. well, you just don't want to do any work at all, do you? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. BB guns. The scourge of youth |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. there are such sensitive souls here |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. What counts as a serious firearms injury anyway? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. duh, eh? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. overcome by sobs, are you? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Yeah sure |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
100. So an unsuccessful attempt to cut funding at CDC stopped them from doing the research? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Deleted message |
tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. maybe that was all you could fall back on |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
5. Gun laws are one of the reasons I'm glad I live in Britain. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. The low rate of gun-related deaths |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If you arm the populace, you generally need to arm the police; if not, you don't. |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. HMmm. Our government does not arm us. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. If who arms the populace? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. I'm sure you'll get some responses as to "who" is arming a population... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. There is no such thing as an inalienable right. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. The term "inalienable" is used in the Declaration of Independence... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Deleted message |
iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
85. there sure do seem to be some sensitive souls hereabouts nowadays |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
114. I wish you were sensitive to sound argument, but I forgive you (nt) |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
115. Again who arms the populace? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Correlation =! causation |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Deleted message |
Indy Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. "Clearly gun control failed to reduce crime" |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Hmm |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
98. I hesitate to speak |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. I am very sure that very soon |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
36. The Brits can do as they please. |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. It could be a real simple answer |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 07:45 AM Response to Reply #52 |
68. No, that doesn't seem to be the case. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. now read the question again |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Deleted sub-thread |
spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
63. Hard to believe but shootings still occur in England... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-02-08 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
64. Perhaps gun crime is INCREASING in the U.K. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. "crime involving the use of some kind of gun" |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. 3,821 people is a lot to kill or injure with FAKE guns. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. wowee -- it sure WOULD BE!! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Fixed it for you. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. but hey, allow me |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Why don't you edit in the "normal" homicide numbers? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. why don't you do your own work? |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. In other words... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. insert loud scream here |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. Glad to post info on fake guns... |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. "even police can't tell" |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. like you're so fucking smart |
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tburnsten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. So they are talking about fake guns POINTED at cops? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. You assume that the cops are armed... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
107. good lord |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. So a fake weapon converted to a real one is still considered a fake? |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. I wonder what caliber they were converted to... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-03-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. No, Dave, it isn't. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #109 |
116. Hope everything is ok. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. actually everything pretty much sucks |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Terribly sorry. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. thank you |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Good luck and my best wishes... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. ah, there's always work! |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-04-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I like the idea of hunting with a camera.. |
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