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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:46 PM
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Guns NOT in the news -Oct 19
Edited on Sat Oct-18-03 07:47 PM by Superfly
Criminals will find any means to commit crimes, with or without firearms... Maybe we should register and/or ban "assault bathtubs."

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Mom charged with bathtub child murders

LAMAR, Colorado (AP) -- A woman accused of drowning her two young children in a bathtub before a failed attempt on her own life was arrested Saturday on murder charges.

Rebekah Amaya faces two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Grace Headlee, 4, and Gabriel Amaya, 5 months, according to Lamar Police Cpt. Rick Copess.

The coroner said both children drowned and determined the deaths were homicides, the first in Lamar in since 1992.

Amaya, a registered nurse, was being returned to Lamar from a Colorado Springs hospital, where she was treated after she cut her wrists in the suicide attempt.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 07:49 PM
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1. Amazing
Somebody killed somebody without a gun....and all gun enthusiasts can think of is "guns guns guns guns guns guns."

Guess it's like an involuntary spasm....

"What's this headline.....'Mom charged with bathtub child mur....' GUNS! AWKKKKKK!!!"
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:33 PM
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2. Actually...
I bathe with my guns. Simplifies clean-up jobs and kills two birds with one stone (remember that
Seinfeld episode where Kramer prepared food and took a shower at the same time?... same idea).
It also helps to have one of those "pre-ban, high capacity" water wasting shower heads.

Tip: don't get Sweets bore cleaner on your scrotum! Some nasty stuff. Took the wrinkles right out of my bag
and it was red as a ripe strawberry for days (try explaining that to your girlfriend!).
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:37 PM
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3. By the way...
I've been to perhaps 1,000 plumbing-trade-related events in my lifetime, and have yet to see even one person dressed in a Nazi uniform.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:45 PM
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5. Yeah...
But I have yet to attend one gun show and see anyone with "plumbers-ass-crack".

BTW, what's your opinion on "pre-ban" low flush/water saving toilets? Should the ban sunset or not?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:49 PM
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6. Yeah...
Let us know when a plumber's ass crack becomes synonymous with racial hate and genocide....

"BTW, what's your opinion on "pre-ban" low flush/water saving toilets?"
I thinkl shit is shit, no matter how it flushes.,..
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:58 PM
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7. Well...
Those cops in NYC did stick a toilet plunger handle up a black mans rectum (a tool of the trade,
only in that case the perptartors were rightlty blamed rather than the implemant... sound familiar?).


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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 09:17 PM
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8. Try to spin a little MORE desperately, D_S
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:24 AM
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15. Spin?... here's a quick quiz.

D__S's post was meant as...

A) Sarcasm

B) Humor

C) Mockery

D) A and C

E) A and B

F) A, B and C


(and no, "spin", "pantload" or "hooey" aren't on the quiz)
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a2birdcage Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:48 AM
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25. And Bench goes down for the count!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:50 AM
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27. Not even close to true
but it's mordant fun to see how desperate the RKBA crowd can actually get...
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:09 AM
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51. isn't plumber's ass crack synonymous with racial hatred?
most people I've seen with it were redneck asswipes who loved to bitch about "furriners" et cetera...I'd bet you'd find a lot more racism amongst plumbers than amongst gun owners...

Plumbers who are enlightened enough to not be racist are also generally enlightened enough to cover their own asses...
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 06:22 AM
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11. Boring
New material is needed.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 03:29 PM
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20. Gee, dems....
Ask me next if I care what bores you....
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:19 AM
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13. I'am confused
Are you a shrink or a plumber? I have seen posts from others that you are a doc, but you post like a blue collar worker.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 11:38 AM
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16. Racists and plumbers
Edited on Sun Oct-19-03 11:42 AM by D__S
Here's one theory why there's no one marching around in a Nazi uniform at plumbers conventions: maybe it's
because they prefer white sheets and hoods over swastikas by 2/1?


http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/062500/met_kkk2.shtml

GASTON, S.C. - The wooded property with lily pads on the pond is a haven for a white man with no doubt that his race is supreme - or ought to be...

8< snip

Mr. Gladden, whose friends call him ``Shorty,'' is grand dragon of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and proud of
it at 51. When he joined the Klan at 18, he said, he never dreamed he would someday wear a dragon patch on his back and green stripes on flowing sleeves, someday be looked up to by brethren in the Klavern.

His wife, Marian, made his robe.

Coming home, the Klan leader - a plumber by day - steers his pickup past the white-edged Confederate battle flag that waves from a tall tree beside the driveway.



http://www.adl.org/mwd/cocv3n2.asp


June 10, 1999, Alabama: A plumber from Foley, Alabama, is arrested following his purchase of grenades from an undercover ATF agent. Chris Scott Gilliam, charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, told the agent he wanted to send mail bombs to Washington, D.C. Gilliam is a member of the neo-Nazi group The National Alliance.


http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/documents/news/terrorist.html

Suspect in plot cites tie to KKK

FORT WORTH -- One of four people accused in a Wise County terrorism-and-robbery plot testified yesterday that he joined the Ku Klux Klan in February at the behest of the local imperial wizard.

Carl Waskom Jr. said he renounced his membership last week when he learned upon his arrest that the wizard was a
government informant.


8< snip


Waskom, a plumber, said he was made a member of the Klan on Feb. 15 in a ceremony over which the government informant presided. He referred to the informant as "CS1," the abbreviation used in government documents for confidential source No. 1.


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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:29 PM
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18. Dude
You gotta love google. :-)
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 08:32 PM
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21. Even the crickets are quiet.
It's unfortunate that a few bad apples have tarnished the image of all plumbers and septic engineers.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:24 AM
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24. And I thought all racists were TV repairmen
You learn something every day on the Internet.

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 09:03 PM
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22. He shoots! He scores!
And the crowd goes crazy!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:51 AM
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28. Gee, the sanity of the crowd
was in grave doubt long before that, roe....
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 08:42 PM
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4. Oh, man!!!
I just spit my tea all over my keyboard...

In all seriousness, I've washed guns in the bathtub after shooting corrosive ammo through them. Hot soapy water dissolves the corrosive salts better than just about anything.

I draw the line at putting chemicals in there with me, though...wouldn't want an unwrinkled, red nutsack now, would I..... BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!! :)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:50 AM
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26. I used to rinse out my SKS in the shower
After shooting corrosive Chinese ammo I'd clean the bore and gas tube parts with a bronze brush and Dawn dishwashing liquid, then rinse the whole thing with hot water from the shower head. Next steps were to towel dry and drive out any remaining water with WD-40, followed by conventional cleaning.
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juancarlos Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:28 AM
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10. PFFFFFFFFTTTT!
I have a certain anti-gun-nut on my ignore list, so I'm assuming that your response was to him. All I can say is that your post is one of the funniest things ever. I cannot imagine anything that would put an anti-gun-nut more in his place. Way to be a true progressive.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:16 PM
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41. Try hoppe's old #9
I use it as an aftershave, it drives the women wild! (at least those that are into shooting!)






(please do not try this at home- humor only)
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:27 PM
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42. Make sure you tell
MrBenchly that it's humor. I don't think he can tell the difference.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:10 AM
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52. Hey....seriously....
some women are turned on by the smell of cosmoline....
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-03 10:15 PM
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9. Is it tomorrow already?
As seems to be standard practice in Gun Dungeon threads, I now offer up a non-sequitur for your enjoyment :-)

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 02:51 PM
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19. RKBA "logic" or whatever it is
No wonder Mary Rosh seems like a scientist to these folks
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a2birdcage Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 10:52 AM
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29. Gee, haven't heard that one yet
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 11:24 AM
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30. Mr. Freeze runs California?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 07:04 AM
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12. Decatur woman charged with murder of boyfriend
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:48 AM
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14. When beer bottles are outlawed...
only outlaws will have beer bottles.... :evilgrin:
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 01:26 PM
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17. A gun not in the news today
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-03 10:37 PM
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23. Here is another gun not in the news
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 05:39 PM
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39. What's up with the Glock Hogue grip on a CZ-52?!?!?
:)
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:39 AM
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49. The 7.62x25 can be fairly stout
I found that after shooting 3 or 4 mags my hand would start to sting. I had read about putting the handall grip sleeve on it to make it more comfortable to shoot.
It works. I can comfortably shoot over 100 rnd in one outing without discomfort now.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 01:01 AM
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50. LOL!!!!
Dude, you need to toughen up your hands....SHOOT MORE!!! :)

BTW, I really like the 7.62x25 round....got several CZ-52s and TT-33s...depending on the ammo, it gets up to 1600 FPS out of a 4 inch barrel....that's HOT!!!
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 08:35 AM
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53. I haven't loaded that hot yet
I have loaded 90gr JHP to ~1500fps amd 110gr HP to ~1450 fps. I would like top try the .223 timbs, but the ammo is a bit expensive.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 11:58 AM
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54. You're reloading 7.62x25?
What on earth for? the berdan primed stuff is dirt cheap (cheaper than components), and you can get good pre-made defensive rounds, too.
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Withergyld Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:09 PM
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57. I had a squib load with some surplus
I think it was loaded with no powder, primer only. The bullet lodged in the barrel. Luckily the the next round would not fully chamber. I stick to S&B or handloads with starline brass or reused S&B brass. I haven't seen any commercial loads except FMJ. Do you have a link to the Self Defense loads?
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:33 PM
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58. Nope...
I found them at a gun show, when I wasn't looking at the nazi memorabilia... ;-)
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:50 PM
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43. It is sure going to be hard to come up with news stories.
I have rarely seen articles such as "man grabs shotgun, robber flees" The only stories that are printed are those in which someone is killed or injured.
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 06:56 PM
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44. Yeah, we know
try telling that to CO or Bench.

In the media, death, scandal, guns used in crimes sells. People defending themselves does not.

B
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 08:50 PM
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45. I don't care
I don't care that others believe being unable to defend oneself is a serious option. I say, good luck with it when the SHTF. I wish you well!
I don't care what they "think" I "need", only I can be the judge of what I need.
I don't care that I am being called a neurotic racist. I know what I am, nothing could be farther from the truth.


I do care that we will not win the White House if we continue advocating further restrictions on law abiding citizens rights.




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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:44 PM
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46. Wait a Minute
If those self-defense stories were as prevalent as you pro-gunners claim they are, you would at least expect them to appear in right-wing papers such as the Washington Times, the New York Post, the Colroado Springs Gazette, or the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Yet I find none - no matter how many times I search Google........
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:54 PM
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47. What story?
Do you really think they would run a story about a non-event? No death, no injury, no violence? Defending oneself with a firearm does not always require use of the weapon. Is a body count required to prove the effectiveness of firearms in self defense?

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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-03 09:59 PM
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48. Yup...you see lots of news stories like this:
"Man gets in car, starts it, and it does not blow up."

However, if somebody gets into a car and starts it and it blows up, it'll be front page news.

Death and mayhem sells. Nobody getting hurt doesn't sell. That's why you rarely see stories about somebody's car being broken into unless somebody gets hurt or kidnapped.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:01 PM
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56. Amazing, isn't it?
I did find Ann Coulter claiming one...but she's just about America's most famous liar.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-03 12:00 PM
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55. Gee, cross....try this one...
by America's most famous LIAR

http://www.goal.org/articles/anniegun.html

It's got almost every LIE the RKBA crowd loves to float...including defensive use of a gun.
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