HCI 5 year memo, is it real?

[bossy22]

i dont know if anyone has posted this before but here goes
i was also wondering if it is real?




D-Day is in January 1994...



This month will be crucial to swaying votes for Senator Feinstein's

Assault Weapon Ban. Once this passes, we will see the beginning of a

landslide that the NRA thugs will not be able to stop or their few pawns in

Congress be able to filibuster.

WHAT IS PENDING NOW AND CAN BE LAW IN 1994:

.Ban of all clips holding over six bullets

.Ban of all semi-autos that can fire more than six bullets without reloading.

.Ban on all pump shotguns capable of being converted to over five shots

without reloading

.Banning of all machine guns, destructive devices, short

shotguns/rifles, assault weapons, Saturday night Specials and non-sporting

ammunition

.Arsenal licensing (for possession of multiple guns and large amounts of

ammunition)

.Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship, long considered a

sacred cow and a dinosaur from the Cold War years (thank you, President

Clinton!)

.Ban on possession of a firearm within a home located within 1,000 feet

of a schoolyard

.Ban on all realistic replicas/toy guns or non-firearms capable of being

rendered realistic

.The right of victims of gun violence to sue manufacturers and dealers

to be affirmed and perhaps aided with money from government programs

.Taxes on ammo,dealer licenses and guns to offset the medical costs to

society and

.The eventual ban of all semi-automatics (regardless of when made or

what caliber)



What was only a dream 10 years ago can be reality as early as this year!





AFTER THE MEETING, THE FOLLOWING IDEAS WERE THE RESULT OF A

BRAINSTORMING SESSION TO GUIDE THE FOCUS OF GUN CONTROL

INITIATIVES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE CONSIDERED THE BEST

IDEAS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY EXPANSION. THE TIME IS RIGHT FOR ACTION.





FIVE YEAR PLAN





Licenses



1. National licensing of all handgun purchases.

2. Licenses for rifles and shotguns: Strict licensing should be mandatory

for all firearms, whether handguns or not.

3. State licenses for ownership of firearms.

4. Reduction of the number of guns to require an arsenal license: Right

now the proposed arsenal licenses, which Senator Feinstein should be

pushing for, require an "arsenal license" for those people who feel they

need more than 20 guns and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. We feel that this

number is too generous, due to the fact that any number of guns constitutes

a grave threat to the safety of the community. We suggest strongly that

this license limit be reduced to possession greater than five guns and 250

rounds of ammunition.

5. Arsenal license fees: It is not unreasonable to require a yearly fee

for an arsenal license to be at least $300, with a cap of $1000. The money

collected can be used to defray the immense medical costs directly

attributed to these deadly weapons.

6. Limits on arsenal licensing: No arsenal licensing to be permitted in

counties with populations of more than 200,000.

7 Requirement of federally approved storage safe of all guns: All

licensed gun owners should be required to have a storage safe that meets

minimum federally mandated requirements.

8. Inspection license: Each safe would be registered with a specific

serial number and the serial numbers and types of weapons stored should be

on file with federal and state authorities. Since unannounced inspections

can ensure that all declared weapons are being properly stored, all safe

licenses should have an additional yearly fee to offset the cost of these

spot inspections.



PUBLIC SAFETY REGULATIONS





9. Ban on manufacturing in counties with a population of more than 200,000.

10 Banning all military-style firearms.

11 Banning of any machine gun parts or parts that can be used in a

machine gun.

12 Banning the carrying of a firearm anywhere but home or target range or

in transit from one to the other.

13 Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale possession, transfer,

installation) except barrel/trigger group.

14 Elimination of the curio relic list: A gun is a gun. Even an old gun

can kill people. This is a loophole in federal law that has allowed

thousands of dangerous weapons to be distributed unchecked. This

regulation, if enacted, would automatically eliminated the need for a curio

or relic collector's license. All handguns, rifles and shotguns would fall

under the same category as their modern counterparts.

15 Control of ammunition belonging to certain surplus firearms.

16 Eventual ban of handgun possession: This may be closer to reality than

many of us think.

17 Banning of any ammo that fits military guns(post 1945): We suggest

following the lead of Mexico by prohibiting the sale, manufacture,

possession or transfer of any caliber fitting a military firearm in service

with a recognized military force after 1945.





AMMUNITION AND EXPLOSIVES





18 Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder that would

constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of ammunition.

19 Ban on possession of explosive powders of more than one kilogram at

any one time.

20 Banning of high-power ammo or wounding ammo: In addition to the

banning of military calibers, there is a plethora of dangerous rounds that

are too high-powered for sporting use. This includes the highest calibers

of pistol and rifle ammunition.

21 A national license for ammunition: This is an idea whose time has

come. We should look at a federal license of purchasing of ammunition of

all kinds. A special form should be forwarded to a new federal office to

track those who are purchasing too much ammunition.

22 Banning or strict licensing of all reloading components: Ammunition

regulation laws can be regularly passed by home loaders, creating an

underground cottage industry of ammo manufacture. Possession or purchase of

reloading materials and machines should be restricted and those who wish to

use specially loaded ammunition can go to a federally licensed "reloader".

23 National registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.

24 Requirement of a special storage safe for ammunition and licensing:

Like the storage safe for guns, there should be a national requirement for

special safes to store ammo. Those safes should be tamperproof and

fireproof and be registered themselves so that on the spot inspections can

be held. Again, the costs for these inspections can be absorbed by the

license fees.



GUN RANGES



25 Restricting gun ranges to counties with populations of less than 200,000.

26 Special licensing of ranges: Those ranges that conform to the previous

requirement should get special licensing above and beyond that which is

required now. Additional, each existing or new shooting range must get in

writing the permissions of all property owners within a radius of seven

miles.

27 Special range tax to visitors: Additional revenue can be a surtax on

ranges, requiring the collection of a minimum of $85 per visit per person.

This can be in addition to required membership fees, upon which the state

and local governments get a sizable portion, to help defray the immense

cost of gun violence.

28 Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges: It has been suggested in

the past that felons can acquire pistols and other automatic weapons

without a background check by renting a gun on a target range. Deranged

individuals are basically being given a license to "practice hunting

humans" at these so-called "sporting rages." We think that a national

waiting period for gun rentals is yet another idea whose time has come.



ACTIVITIES THAT PROMOTE GUN VIOLENCE





29 Banning gun shows: Illegal transfers and the sales of assault weapons

and submachine guns are common event at these so called gun shows. A huge

dent can be made in the illegal trafficking of weapons by banning these

shows altogether.

30 Banning of military reenactments: The questionable "historical" value

of these events has escaped public scrutiny for too long. Many of these

so-called historical events are a mere excuse for gun nuts to blast the

countryside with automatic weapons. What is to keep them from loading live

bullets and having those stray bullets kill innocent children? What lives

in the future will be lost due to this paramilitary training going on right

under our noses? We propose the prohibition of survivalist/paramilitary,

World War I and World War II and Civil War reenactments on federal land and

hope to encourage the states to prohibit them from state and county lands

as well.

31 Making unlawful the assembly of more than four armed individuals who

are not peace officers of military.

32 Begin to curb hunting on all public lands: Blood sports are an

anathema to a civilized society; however, it has been a political reality

that the hunters and their ilk have too strong of a stranglehold on

Congress. We feel that the impending defeat of high-tech assault "killing

machines" will open the door to other restrictions. With the diminishing

number of hunter, we feel that perhaps in five years we can open up much

more of our country to campers and hikers and eliminate the threat to

families out camping, by looking at much more restrictions as to what

parcels of land will allow hunting. This will not infringe on sportsmen's

right to hunt on private land.

33 Making gun owners records and photos a matter of public record.

34 Random police checks for weapons ( like sobriety check points) The

political climate can become right to initiate these random vehicle stop

and checks at all levels and in all types of neighborhoods. If we continue

to maintain the pressure, we can make this a reality.





THE NEXT 15 YEARS



With all that is going on, who knows what is possible in the next 15 years?

Here are some ideas to consider for the long term:



.Banning of military accouterments

.Stricter guidelines for violence in television and the movies

.The total elimination of arms from society

.Control of dangerous literature (bomb-making, machine gun conversions etc.)





The year 1994 sounds the death knell for the bully tactics of the NRA and

the culture of violence in America!

We are pressing on all fronts, and much of this can become reality sooner

than we expect. With the loss of power and clout of the NRA and their

various smaller crony organizations crumbling to dust, we can eliminate a

200-year old license to murder into history and enter the 21st century a

safer place for our children and our children's children.

[L1A1Rocker]

1. I've herd almost everyone of those proposals from

some politician or activist at one time or another. I've just never seen it all put together in one master plan before.

I do know that the old HCI did have a five year plan very similar to the first section of that post.

[bossy22]

2. scary

too scary

[SteveM]

3. Where did you see this?

[bossy22]

4. here, there are also other sites

http://usa-patriot.net/hci.html

[benEzra]

9. It was on the front cover of _Guns & Ammo_ magazine in 1994...

I'll try to look up the issue later tonight or tomorrow (I kept that one for future reference).

[johnbraun]

5. It's a myth. This list is not an internal HCI or VPC publication.

nt

[SteveM]

6. Yeah, too strained -- you can see the banjos and watermelon (nt)

[Lex1775]

7. Sounds like black helicopter stuff to me...

On the other hand, the English probably didn't expect what they got either... took a little longer than 15 years but someone must've had a plan.

[benEzra]

8. Since a fair percentage of that shit ended up in S.1878/H.R.3932 (Brady II), I think that...

it may well have originated with an internal gun-control lobby memo (whether intended as an actual set of proposals, or a "shoot for the moon" wishlist) that got embellished by an adversarial party in order to hype it. The ending and most of the editorializing is definitely a fraud, but many of the actual proposals were in fact proposed by Handgun Control, Incorporated (now the Brady Campaign) and were introduced in Congress as the awful "Brady II" bills, S.1878/H.R.3932. That extremist proposal was introduced in early 1994, but was foiled when many of the would-be gun banners got their asses handed to them the following month over the far milder Feinstein non-ban, and it never received its scheduled hearing.

Among other things, Brady II would have banned all magazines holding over 6 (yes, six) rounds; required you to pay $300 every 3 years and subject yourself to BATFE inspections of your home 3 times/yr in order to possess two bricks of .22LR ammunition; outlawed all hunting handguns over .45 caliber; outlawed the .50 BMG cartridge; outlawed all .22, .25, and .32 handguns weighing less than 18 ounces; outlawed all handguns less than 6 inches long and 4 inches high; and too much other bullshit to list. Banned 7-round magazines, small .22's, etc. already in private hands would have been placed under the same restrictions as machineguns and 105mm howitzers, e.g. the draconian Title 2/Class III restrictions of the National Firearms Act, as I read it.

Even today, ten years later, thinking about the insane provisions of Brady II, and knowing that this shit was actually introduced in Congress by people who actually considered it a reasonable proposal, makes me furious. The ramifications of that law were abominable, and while most of the November 1994 debacle can be ascribed to the backlash against the 1994 Feinstein non-ban, I'm sure S.1878/H.R.3932 only added fuel to the fire.

Dave Kopel hit some of the high points a while back here: Provisions of S.1878/H.R.3932

Kopel quotes some leading figures from the gun-control lobby, and their comments pretty much line up with the "5 year plan" memo. Don't forget that Pete Shields was the head of what is now the Brady Campaign before the Bradys took over.

"The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition--expect for the police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors--totally illegal." --Pete Shields (then head of what is now the Brady Campaign), quoted in Richard Harris, "A Reporter at Large: Handguns," New Yorker, July 26, 1976, p. 58.

(Sarah Brady) wants a "needs-based licensing" system, under which no one could own any gun unless the local police chief decided that the person "needed" to have the gun. Quoted in Erik Eckhom, "A Little Gun Control, a Lot of Guns," New York Times, Aug. 15, 1993, p. B1).

Ownership of a gun for protection would not be considered a legitimate "need." Says Mrs. Brady "To me, the only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes." --Sarah Brady, quoted in Tom Jackson, "Keeping the Battle Alive," Tampa Tribune, Oct. 21, 1993.)

So, yes, most of the memo rings true to me, though the editorializing is pretty obviously a fabrication. The "memo" says that "D-Day" was January 1994; S.1878 was introduced 28 February 1994 and H.R.3932 on March 1, 1994 respectively. Just enough time for the Bradyites to get the proposed text of the law drafted into legislators' hands. Coincidence?

BTW, here's the full text of H.R.3932. And as bad as this is, keep in mind that the "replace this word with this other word" provisions would have made a lot more changes to Federal gun law than are even apparent from a first reading of the bill.

H.R.3932, "Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994" (103d Congress, 2nd Session)

The Democratic party was BETRAYED by those who introduced this crap and the Feinstein law, IMHO. What the hell did they think the outcome would be??

[ConcernedCanuk]

10. Some Canadian info for y'all re firearms up here.

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Most of what I'm gonna write is from memory - but here's a link if anyone wishes to refute/agree with my info >> http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/default_e.asp

I can't have more than a 3 shot clip for a rifle. When hunting, I cannot have a bullet in the chamber.

Rifles are to be locked up, and ammunition is to be stored in a separate location, also locked up.

I can't have a handgun without a special permit, and the permits are not easy to get.

Handguns for the general population are forbidden unless they are constantly locked up, and the owner belongs to a registered gun club(for target shooting mostly).

I definitely cannot have a military type weapon, unless I have a collector's permit, and I am not sure if those are even still available.

SO

When y'all decide to invade Canada, just watch out for snowballs in the back of the head!

We ain't got no regs on them,

Yet.

[benEzra]

11. Your standard rifle capacity limit is 5 rounds for most rifles, 10 rounds for carbines

that use pistol magazines "in common use in Canada"; the 3-round limit you cite is probably a hunting regulation rather than a gun reg (some U.S. states have 5-round limits while hunting as well). Actual military automatic weapons are of course tightly controlled there just as they are here in the United States (your automatic weapons ban was pretty much a copy of ours, and passed the same year, 1934, IIRC). But you are still allowed to own small-caliber centerfire rifles with modern styling; the AR-15 is not on the prohibition list (it is classified as Restricted), but some others are Unrestricted. I believe that some of the modern-looking guns you guys can still get are not importable into the U.S., due to our Federal "assault weapon" import ban from the early '90s (the brainchild of arch-right-winger William J. Bennett, FWIW), but as it stands in 2008 we definitely have more freedom with regard to most rifles, shotguns, and handguns.

The thing is, prior to 1995 or so, Canadian gun owners could own pretty much anything U.S. gun owners can (and a lot we can't without Federal authorization, like 14" barreled shotguns and 10" barreled .22 rifles), and your crime rate was IIRC slightly lower then than it is now. Lawful gun ownership wasn't a problem in Canada, and the jihad against it was absolutely pointless and wrongheaded.