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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:44 PM
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here is one from my neck of the woods.
Jury deliberates Big Dog case

It's now up to the jury to decide whether Quattlebaum shot John Dill to death and wounded Bret Douglas in self-defense or in cold blood last spring in the parking lot of the Big Dog motorcycle plant in central Wichita.

The rumble started over a hat Quattlebaum wore to work reading "Support Your Local Bandidos Worldwide." The Bandidos are a rival biker club, with the closest chapter in Tulsa.

They parked their cycles behind a tree and waited for Quattlebaum to get off work.

Douglas testified that they only wanted to talk. The lanky Quattlebaum testified that the men grabbed him by the throat and tried to pull him out the window of his pickup after having threatened him the day before.

"How many crimes had to be committed against Devin Quattlebaum before he decides to protect himself?" McKinnon said.

"The defendant chose to align himself with the Bandidos, a ruthless club," Puntch said. "He knew what he was getting into and chose what steps to take."

Responded McKinnon: "The state wants you to believe he had this coming because he wore this hat.

"That's the same thing as telling a woman she deserves to be raped because of the length of her hemline."



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:45 PM
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1. Ah, the RKBA crowd in action....
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 03:45 PM
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2. I don't really think it's fair to paint
an entire group with the same broad brush. And if the defendant's version of the story is the correct one, then it should indeed be considered self-defense. Of course, it's the jury's job to decide whether or not he's telling the truth, but if someone were being attacked the way he said he was, then he has the right to defend himself.

I don't think people can ever truly understand the overwhelming, all-consuming, blot-out-all-else terror experienced during an attack or a robbery or similar incidents. Until you experience that, like I did last month, it's really hard to understand someone shooting another person in self-defense. But if you have experienced it, you'll know what I'm talking about. Until you do, though, hold off on the easy judging. I never thought I'd be on the RKBA side, but I am determined that I will never be a victim again and, if the lowlife pond scum who robbed me and shoved his gun in my ribs and my neck had a weapon that he could use to have power over my life and death, then I, a law-abiding citizen, should have the right to carry a weapon to protect and defend myself with. My son kept flashing through my mind the whole time of my mugging, and I will not leave him motherless because someone else had a weapon and I didn't!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 04:37 PM
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4. I certainly think that's representative of the sort of scum
who tend to own guns....

"I don't think people can ever truly understand the overwhelming, all-consuming, blot-out-all-else terror experienced during an attack or a robbery or similar incidents."
But I do know the sort of lowlife who joins a biker club...don't find many honest citizens among the Banditos....
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 03:57 PM
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3. And one in my neck of the woods
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:39 PM
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5. I thought you lived in
Michigan?
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 05:49 PM
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6. No he is a NJ man
He wouldnt live in Michigan since they have a concealed carry law.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 08:10 PM
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8. I live in kansas
with no CCW laws.
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 08:09 PM
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7. No thats you.
My zip code is 67002. :-)
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