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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:44 PM
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How much wind do you need for turbines?
I need a reputable source for how much wind I need @ location to make it worthwhile to install a wind farm. I have the wind maps of my state, and am looking for the other end of the equation.

Thanks

Roger
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:47 PM
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1. use google
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:54 PM
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2. gustty winds are not as effective as steady consistant winds that blow
...continuously

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January 1997
No. 4

Wind Energy Resources
ny plan to develop wind energy must begin by understanding the wind resource. Where are the best potential wind sites located? How much energy could be extracted from the wind at those sites? Will wind turbine performance be affected by turbulence or other wind resource characteristics? These are just a few of the questions that must be answered. This briefing paper describes the U.S. wind energy potential, discusses some basic characteristics of wind resources, and summarizes the key elements of a wind resource assessment program
Wind energy potential of the United States
The United States is fortunate to possess one of the largest wind energy resources in the world. The amount of energy theoretically available for use has been estimated at as much as 40 times the current U.S. energy consumption. Of course, only a small fraction of this potential could be used because of constraints on available land for wind power plants, limits on the efficiency of energy extraction, cost, siting issues and other factors. Even after taking these factors into account, various studies suggest nonetheless that wind has the potential to supply anywhere from 10 percent to 40 percent of U.S. electricity needs.

Wind Classes
To simplify the characterization of wind potential, it is common to assign areas to one of seven wind classes, each representing a range of wind power densities or wind speeds at a specified height above the ground. The standard wind class definitions are shown in Table 1. (The meaning of wind power density is discussed below.)

By and large, the areas being developed today using large wind turbines are ranked as class 5 and above. Class 3 and 4 areas may be developed in the near future as wind turbines are adapted to run more efficiently at lower wind speeds. Class l and 2 areas are not deemed suitable for large wind machines, although smaller wind turbines may be economical in areas (such as remote or off-grid communities) where the value of the energy produced is high.

Geographic distribution
Wind energy resources are distributed unevenly across the United States (see map). Most of the class 4 and higher areas are found near the east and west coasts, along ridges in the Rocky and Appalachian mountain systems, and in a wide belt stretching across the Great Plains. The southeastern United States is characterized by class 1 and 2 winds.

Constraints on wind potential
Wind resource classification is only one of the factors that must be considered in estimating wind energy potential. For one thing, not all windy sites are suitable for wind power development. Some are on steep, rocky or inaccessible terrain; others are in scenic or protected forests and parks; still others are in densely populated areas.

One U.S. Department of Energy study that took these factors into account grouped areas of the country into five categories of land use: environmental (such as national parks), urban, forest, cropland and range land. The researchers then constructed four scenarios that considered varying degrees and types of possible land use exclusions to arrive at a range of estimates of the wind energy potential in each wind class.

They found that the windiest areas (class 5 and above) could support enough wind power capacity to provide 18 percent to 53 percent of the electricity consumed in 1993. The lower figure represents the most severe assumptions of land use exclusion, while the upper figure represents no exclusions at all. Most of the prospective sites in these classes are concentrated in the Great Plains states. In contrast, class 3 and 4 areas are distributed much more widely around the country and, according to the study could supply from 1.7 to 6 times the current U.S. electricity demand.

Other constraints may reduce these figures considerably. Two factors not considered in the study were possible conflicts between wind power plants and bird habitats and migration routes and constraints on the transmission capacity needed to carry wind power to population centers. (A recent study by the Energy Information Administration indicates that many windy sites are located near existing transmission lines.) The intermittent nature of wind energy also may impose limitations on its use, although probably not until it begins to generate more than 10 percent of a utility's power needs.

Characteristics of wind
<MORE>

http://www.nationalwind.org/publications/wes/wes04.htm
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:55 PM
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3. Where Do You Get Wind Maps
I'm in Florida, I have to wonder, if my husband and I got a turbine, could one good hurricane help power our house for a year? Or would it rip the turbine off and send it crashing through our (or a neighbor's) roof?

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 04:58 PM
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4. Here
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:01 PM
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5. Many States Not Mapped
None of the Gulf states.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:19 PM
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6. I am having better luck @ manufacturers websites
http://www.abundantre.com/

Yeah here they dont cover your area either

http://www.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/windpoweringamerica/wind_maps.asp

Though it seems in general terms coastal areas can be really good. That first link suggests 10 or 12 mph mean wind speed is fine.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:31 PM
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9. Here
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:17 PM
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11. Here are a few links:
Edited on Fri Apr-20-07 06:18 PM by eppur_se_muova
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:20 PM
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7. Couple of article for you
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 05:25 PM
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8. DoE
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/windandhydro/wind_consumer_faqs.html#power
...

Conditions for stand-alone systems
  • You live in an area with average annual wind speeds of at least 4.0 meters per second (9 miles per hour)
  • A grid connection is not available or can only be made through an expensive extension. The cost of running a power line to a remote site to connect with the utility grid can be prohibitive, ranging from $15,000 to more than $50,000 per mile, depending on terrain.
  • You have an interest in gaining energy independence from the utility
  • You would like to reduce the environmental impact of electricity production
  • You acknowledge the intermittent nature of wind power and have a strategy for using intermittent resources to meet your power needs

Conditions for grid-connected systems
  • You live in an area with average annual wind speeds of at least 4.5 meters per second (10 miles per hour).
  • Utility-supplied electricity is expensive in your area (about 10 to 15 cents per kilowatt-hour).
  • The utility's requirements for connecting your system to its grid are not prohibitively expensive.
  • Local building codes or covenants allow you to legally erect a wind turbine on your property.
  • You are comfortable with long-term investments.
...


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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 08:02 PM
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14. Thats good basic info, yup.
thanks
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:12 PM
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10. Try American Wind Energy Ass'n (awea.org)
AWEA:
http://www.awea.org/smallwind/
http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/index.html

http://www.awea.org/smallwind/faq.html#Ive%20heard%20about%20a%20new%20small%20wind%20turbine%20that%20starts%20up%20and%20runs%20at%20very%20low%20wind%20speeds.%20Is%20that%20a%20new%20idea

" I've heard about a new small wind turbine that starts up and runs at very low wind speeds. Is that a new idea?

No. Many inventors have developed turbines that run at low wind speeds. But because the energy available in the wind is a function of the cube of its speed, there is very little energy available to be harvested at wind speeds less than 4 meters per second (m/s) (9 mph). If you are considering the purchase of a small wind turbine, the ability to run at low wind speeds should not be an important consideration in selecting a machine."
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razzleberry Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 06:36 PM
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12. 26 MPH, for full power
that is for a 1.5 MW from GE,
but I think the smaller ones
would be similiar
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 08:00 PM
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13. Right, it depends on the actuall turbine though
This model generates 2500 watts @ 25 mph wind. Though it seems to start generating at about 6mph.

Heres a neat graph

http://www.abundantre.com/ARE%20Power%20Curves_121405.pdf

For this model (ARE 110) 16mph of wind generates 1000 watts/hour.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 08:02 PM
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15. If you put a lot of carbon dioxide in the air to make it heavier, the turbines
will turn better with less wind.

I think people are working on this approach.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-20-07 08:08 PM
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16. Denser air, right.... gottcha, a very sucssesful program I hear
LOL.
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