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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:05 PM
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I could use a Global warming expert.....
Well.... I happy I have some of my right wing friends agreeing there IS global warming.

But they are very sure that all the scientist are unsure about if it's nature cycle ....or man made.

I said the scientist are clear about. They say how would you know? did some survey that scientist?

I think they have...can you direct me to that research?

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evlbstrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:11 PM
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1. Here's a link.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:18 PM
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2. Tell them that 10,000 scientists named Steve all agree.
Oh, wait.

That's Evolution.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:20 PM
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3. Ask them to explain
how, if human industrial output is not a major contributor, the laws of thermodynamics have been suspended so as not to intrude on their ideology.

In other words, we know the mass of human generated C02, CO and other emissions pretty well. Ask them how that can NOT have an effect. What laws of science can they invoke to justify that hypothesis? What experiment can they suggest to test it? (They won't be able to do that ... accumulated experimental evidence is not on their side.)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:34 PM
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4. Carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere.
First, tell them to watch An Inconvenient Truth. Second, the earth doesn't give a rat's ass what your fundie friends think. I have one acquaintance who isn't convinced on this subject, and he's the fool.

The key, at least to me, is that even during the previous ice ages, there were nowhere near the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. We're talking in the arena of a million years here. The co2 that's in the atmosphere now is contributed by man. And the concentrations correlate DIRECTLY with the increases in global temperature. If I weren't just picking this stuff off the top of my tired head tonight, I'd have a bunch more. Gore's movie does this justice.

And when you look at this data, it doesn't matter if it's one scientist, or the entire community. But it just happens that it IS the entire scientific community.

And then there's the dramatic increase in melting of the polar ice caps.

I would waste my time on them. Besides, in my mind, we're beyond too late. Thirty years ago we had the opportunity to curb population and combustive energy conversion (ie, exhaust pipes). That was the time to do it. Now the positive feedback mechanisms are starting to kick in. It may very well be that at this moment the rest of the cycle is self-perpetuating.

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Wisconsin Larry Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 10:45 PM
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5. Here's a couple of resources. And a little googling can find thousands more.
Global warming is and has been an undisputed scientific fact for years. It's only self serving politicians backed by oil companies that have been obfuscating the truth.

From http://www.nyu.edu/classes/siva/archives/001419.html is the following,

"... within the peer reviewed scientific literature, the fact of human induced climate change is taken as beyond dispute. A recent study in the journal Science makes this point pretty strongly. If you look in the Science Citation Index (a relatively authoritative index of the peer reviewed literature) between 1993 and 2003 using the keywords 'climate change' you get 928 results. Of these results there is not a single paper (right, that's 0/928) which argues that changes in climate over the last ~150 years are not influenced by human activity."

I also highly recommend "The Weather Makers" by Tim Flannery http://www.theweathermakers.com/weathermakers/

RFK, Jr. says about "The Weather Makers" that it is "The finest account of the overwhelming science behind global warming. Flannery gives us a terrifying glimpse of the future."

And if nothing else just look up what is happening to the polar bears.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/02/0210_060210_polar_bears.html
Even the Bush administration has started the process to put them on the endangered species list.
Why? Global warming is destroying their Arctic habitat.

It is time for America to wake up and become reality based and have some respect for science. As for the neocons who say "it's only a theory"? I say step off a 30 story building and see if gravity is only a theory.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:13 PM
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6. The link below has a wealth of information on climate change/global warming
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 11:22 PM
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7. It's man made. The overwhelming evidence is in.
All competent peer reviewed studies agree.

However, never mind that.

Ask your friends what difference that makes. If the climate is changing, possibly radically enough to change things on planet earth to our detriment, why shouldn't we take steps to prevent it and save human life. The very nature of a "conservative" is to oppose change, so why should a true conservative embrace radical climate change.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-06-07 01:35 AM
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8. BUSH said that we contribute to it.
you can find the quote through google.

if bush said it, it must be true, right?
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