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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:36 PM
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Hydrogen is a fine fuel, but tough to get
For all those who believe in pipe dreams!!

http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage5179.html

Any politician who talks about cars running on hydrogen, without mentioning that we don't happen to have any hydrogen, should be beaten with sticks.

Any reporter that lets one get away with it should be assigned to cover Anna Nichole Smith.

Yes, making hydrogen gas is a wonderful way to store energy, and it is indeed the most promising transportation fuel, but no one should be allowed to hold out the promise of a "hydrogen economy" without suggesting how we might actually get some.

Today, the world uses about 50 million tons of hydrogen – mainly to make fertilizers and to "lighten" and "sweeten" (remove sulfur from) oil.

Virtually all of it comes from breaking natural gas, which releases carbon dioxide.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:50 PM
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1. You might want to check this out ................

Chinese HTR-10 and the Japanese HTTR reactors.

www.iaea.org/OurWork/ST/NE/NENP/NPTDS/Downloads/HTGR/pdf/activities.pdf
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 05:51 PM
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2. tough to get, tough to store and tough to transport...
the whole fuel infrastructure would have to be upgraded, and that's just not going to happen.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:06 PM
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3. Hydrogen, like oil, is only a storage system for energy.
ALL energy on earth is either stored solar or stored radioactive energy from the birth of the universe.

Hydrogen can't get us out of the fix we're in. It's too hard to make on this planet. Pebble bed fusion, elephant grass and wind can get us past the hump while we learn to effectively use solar and to deploy solar wind satellites and get off the planet. But solar is the ONLY long term solution. (Wind is based on solar, since it's the sun that creates our weather systems.)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:15 PM
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4. I've said before that a giant windmill can fill enough hydrogen
Edited on Sat May-13-06 06:16 PM by applegrove
fuel cell batteries a day to power twenty vehicles. So it is just logistics.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:20 PM
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5. That is so misleading
He says that making Hydrogen form electricity is too expensive and that is probably true if you use power off the grid, convert it to DC electricity as you must to make electrolysis work and then make the H.
A simple solar panel (photo voltaic) produces a steady DC current that can separate Hydrogen from watter with a simple device that is much like a battery..two plates of dissimilar material in watter.
This is not rocket science here and tis has been used for at least 40 years and is known for longer than that. But what the energy sellers are worried about is that the energy you need to power a car can be made in your own back yard with the help of the sun, and they have not figured out yet how to put a meter on the sun to charge us for it.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:22 PM
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6. A wonderful way to store energy?
The most promising transportation fuel? I think not. No to both these statements.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-13-06 06:39 PM
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7. If only Regan had not dumped Carter's energy incentives
The US might be leading the world in cheap efficient solar cells.
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