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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:33 AM
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Largest Ocean Waves Recorded----More to come
Record ocean waves are recorded

SOUTHAMPTON, England, April 3 (UPI) -- British scientists report observing some of the largest waves ever measured -- reportedly so big, some computer models indicate they shouldn't even exist.

The observations occurred Feb. 8, 2000, aboard the Royal Research Ship Discovery during a scientific expedition to the North Atlantic, 155 miles west of Scotland, when a series of gigantic waves hammered the vessel.

The scientists set to sea because an intense storm was forecast and the researchers from Britain's National Oceanography Center, located in Southampton, wanted to closely observe it, der Spiegel reported.

The scientists' measuring instruments showed the tallest of the waves was nearly 98 feet high and the giant waves shook the ship for 12 hours, said Naomi Holliday, the leader of the expedition.

The Discovery's crew witnessed waves of up to 95 feet from trough to crest>>>>snip


http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060403-021951-3153r

I was at sea with 50-60ft. waves (polish freighter)....160ft tramp steamer.
Let me say, I was too scared to be seasick. LOL
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:36 AM
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1. Can you even imagine 12 hours of that?
I have been in 40-50 ft seas (hanging on to the cables, feet off of the deck), but 12 hours?
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:30 AM
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9. 40 foot was my max experience, too
although it was for 24 hrs about 125 miles west of the Golden Gate. Wicked cool looking UP at dolphin in the water.

A 98 foot wave must be a truly humbling sight to behold.

Oh, my experience was on that forty foot ocean racing catamaran that moored on the hook below your house, just off the CYC. Do you remember the cat or the trimaran the replaced it after the accident with the Blue Whale?
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:44 AM
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2. It's not just global warming anymore...Weather Modification now too....
....they're screwin' around with Mother Nature...this just can't be a good thing. x(

Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005

Last Action: Dec 8, 2005: Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 319.


http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-517

Introduced: Jun 20, 2005
Sponsor: Rep. Mark Udall
Status: Introduced (By Rep. Mark Udall )

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-...

SUMMARY

3/3/2005--Introduced.
Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005 - Establishes in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board to promote and fund research and development (R&D), studies, and investigations with respect to: (1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and (2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

Establishes within the U.S. Treasury the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund. Directs the Board, unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, to use amounts in the Fund to: (1) pay its expenses in the administration of this Act; and (2) provide for R&D with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements with, public or private agencies.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?tab=summary&bi...


109th CONGRESS
1st Session



S. 517


To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2005
Mrs. HUTCHISON introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A BILL
To establish the Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Weather Modification Research and Technology Transfer Authorization Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) BOARD- The term `Board' means the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(2) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR- The term `Executive Director' means the Executive Director of the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(3) RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The term `research and development' means theoretical analysis, exploration, experimentation, and the extension of investigative findings and theories of scientific or technical nature into practical application for experimental and demonstration purposes, including the experimental production and testing of models, devices, equipment, materials, and processes.



(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.



SEC. 4. WEATHER MODIFICATION ADVISORY AND RESEARCH BOARD ESTABLISHED.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established in the Department of Commerce the Weather Modification Advisory and Research Board.

(b) MEMBERSHIP-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Board shall consist of 11 members appointed by the Secretary of Commerce, of whom--

(A) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Meteorological Society;

(B) at least 1 shall be a representative of the American Society of Civil Engineers;

(C) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Academy of Sciences;

(D) at least 1 shall be a representative of the National Center for Atmospheric Research of the National Science Foundation;

(E) at least 2 shall be representatives of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the Department of Commerce;

(F) at least 1 shall be a representative of institutions of higher education or research institutes; and

(G) at least 1 shall be a representative of a State that is currently supporting operational weather modification projects.

(2) TENURE- A member of the Board serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of Commerce.

(3) VACANCIES- Any vacancy on the Board shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointment.

(b) ADVISORY COMMITTEES- The Board may establish advisory committees to advise the Board and to make recommendations to the Board concerning legislation, policies, administration, research, and other matters.

(c) INITIAL MEETING- Not later than 30 days after the date on which all members of the Board have been appointed, the Board shall hold its first meeting.

(d) MEETINGS- The Board shall meet at the call of the Chair.

(e) QUORUM- A majority of the members of the Board shall constitute a quorum, but a lesser number of members may hold hearings.

(f) CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR- The Board shall select a Chair and Vice Chair from among its members.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(a) PROMOTION OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- In order to assist in expanding the theoretical and practical knowledge of weather modification, the Board shall promote and fund research and development, studies, and investigations with respect to--

(1) improved forecast and decision-making technologies for weather modification operations, including tailored computer workstations and software and new observation systems with remote sensors; and

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

(b) FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE- Unless the use of the money is restricted or subject to any limitations provided by law, the Board shall use amounts in the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund--

(1) to pay its expenses in the administration of this Act, and

(2) to provide for research and development with respect to weather modifications by grants to, or contracts or cooperative arrangements, with public or private agencies.

(c) REPORT- The Board shall submit to the Secretary biennially a report on its findings and research results.

SEC. 6. POWERS OF THE BOARD.

(a) STUDIES, INVESTIGATIONS, AND HEARINGS- The Board may make any studies or investigations, obtain any information, and hold any hearings necessary or proper to administer or enforce this Act or any rules or orders issued under this Act.

(b) PERSONNEL- The Board may employ, as provided for in appropriations Acts, an Executive Director and other support staff necessary to perform duties and functions under this Act.

(c) COOPERATION WITH OTHER AGENCIES- The Board may cooperate with public or private agencies to promote the purposes of this Act.

(d) COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS- The Board may enter into cooperative agreements with the head of any department or agency of the United States, an appropriate official of any State or political subdivision of a State, or an appropriate official of any private or public agency or organization for conducting weather modification activities or cloud-seeding operations.

(e) CONDUCT AND CONTRACTS FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT- The Executive Director, with the approval of the Board, may conduct and may contract for research and development activities relating to the purposes of this section.

SEC. 7. COOPERATION WITH THE WEATHER MODIFICATION OPERATIONS AND RESEARCH BOARD.

The heads of the departments and agencies of the United States and the heads of any other public or private agencies and institutions that receive research funds from the United States shall, to the extent possible, give full support and cooperation to the Board and to initiate independent research and development programs that address weather modifications.

SEC. 8. FUNDING.

(a) IN GENERAL- There is established within the Treasury of the United States the Weather Modification Research and Development Fund, which shall consist of amounts appropriated pursuant to subsection (b) or received by the Board under subsection (c).

(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to the Board for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2005 through 2014. Any sums appropriated under this subsection shall remain available, without fiscal year limitation, until expended.

(c) GIFTS- The Board may accept, use, and dispose of gifts or donations of services or property.

SEC. 9. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect on October 1, 2005.

END
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:52 AM
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4. yea, that's just what we need
neo-cons controlling the weather - there is mo end 2 their evil, twisted ambition.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:38 AM
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12. Weather control
It's not a conspirasy for paranoids anymore..Yes the fuckers want to be gods.They are sociopaths.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 04:28 AM
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13. Want to...
but as of right now, nobody can even make it rain.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:06 PM
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19. Making the weather better in one place, makes it worse some other...
Everyone has got to be thinking that...

So, who will the United States shit on next?

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:47 AM
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3. Years ago it was assumed that 50-60' was...
as big as a wave could get. In theory, a wave any bigger than that will break up, just like a mountain, or pile of sand, can only get so high before it falls. There was a whole pile of literature on wave mechanics that says so.

Then we started hearing reports of monster waves, and since there was no measuring equipment on board, no one knew if they were really that big. We also started hearing about some freak waves off of East Africa that sheared the bows off of supertankers. And there was always the suspicion that many of the ships that ran into this sort of sea didn't live to tell about it.

So, now we know. And 90' seas are giving me nightmares.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 04:33 AM
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14. And 98' is as big as we have SEEN.
There is a thing on the great lakes where a vessel goes missing and no trace is ever found, and it is said to have sailed into a hole in the lake. One wonders about similar losses at sea... There could be monsters even worse than 98' out there, but nobody has lived to tell the tale. And most vessels WOULD be destroyed by such a sea.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 02:45 PM
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20. It was one of those moster waves...
...that most likely sunk the Edumnd Fitzgerald, right?
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:56 AM
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5. This happened in 2000? Was it not news till now?
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:13 AM
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7. pretty much old news wouldn't ya say?--"important old news" category?
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 01:19 AM by NIGHT TRIPPER
on edit:
is this really LATEST Breaking NEWS ?
from 2002?

lt's not even LATEST BREAKING WAVES--
:shrug:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:27 AM
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8. United Press international - dated
I knew about global warming 12 years ago from scientific studies
I knew about the ozone depleting 16 years ago from scientific journals but now the news says it's news.

I read about the neo-cons in 1996....and your point is?

This was a news a news release from UPI from April 3, 2006 and yes the study was done in 2000.




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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:35 AM
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11. This just in...General Francisco Franco is still dead.
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:55 AM
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18. "Latest Breaking Waves"-it's a joke!--instead of Latest Breaking News !
? can I get a ha ha ha?
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:12 AM
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6. Right now I am hearing the Edmund Fitzgerald song in my head.
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 01:12 AM by DanCa
This is beyond bad it's down right criminal.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:03 AM
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15. I'm hearing "Surfin USA." :-) nt
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:34 AM
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10. In 1978, I was aboard a 400 foot US Navy ship in the....
...mid-Atlantic in November. We ran into what would be classified as a hurricane today, and it was some very bad weather to have to sail through. We were taking waves over the bow onto the deck behind the bridge, and the screws were simultaneously coming out of the water. When that happened, the entire ship shuddered as if it wasn't going come back up. We were in that storm for about 24 hours...hardly anyone slept, and most everyone got sick.

During that same midnight to 4:00 am bridge watch, I happened to be looking back toward the stern when a bolt of lightning made the night seem like day for a split second. The bridge was 65 feet above the waterline, and the wavetops of the trough we were in were clearly another 20 feet above that. The only time I've seen anything like that was in the movie "The Perfect Storm". After that cruise, I never went back to sea.
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:03 AM
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16. In 1979 East of Puerto Rico I was in 70'+ seas on a Navy Ship
I was on a 327' Guided Missile Destroyer The ship would ride over one and punch through two. When we punched through a wave the ship would shudder and groan as she rose through the water. I will never forget it.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:47 AM
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17. 50 footers were my biggest (Southern Ocean)
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 11:30 AM by jpak
That part of the North Atlantic in winter is dreaded among mariners.

I did a research cruise on a Canadian hydrographic vessel back in 1990 and heard some of the stories.

They went up toward Spitzbergen one winter. The seas in one storm broke out windows on the bridge and tore one of the radars from the mast. One old salt on board said he'd never do anything like that again....
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