German industry exepcts 2012 power bill to rise 9 pct

[FBaggins]

Emphasis mine

Germany's big electricity consumers said on Wednesday they expected their power bills to rise by an average 9 percent for 2012, burdening industry amid a weakening economy and rising finance costs.

"Due to the loss of production from eight nuclear plants the supply of power will become tighter," said VIK, their interest group, in a statement issued at its annual press conference. This will result in price hikes and on top of that, the network stability and quality of supply will decrease," said Essen-based VIK, which held the event in the capital Berlin.

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He also said that network frequency changes have become more evident since the withdrawal of the huge nuclear facilities, which had ensured stability. This could hit sensitive industrial production, even if it is not noticeable by household customers. "It's not about a candle-lit dinner but complex production processes whose stability, long before a publicly noticeable network black-out, can be threatened," he said. VIK will gather data on what sort of damage can arise from what it has labelled insufficient power quality, he said. He said this was unacceptable for an export nation.

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VIK represents firms consuming 80 percent of the German produced power that is destined for industry

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/19/germany-energy-users-idAFL5E7LI4DU20111019

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1. Aus der Pfanne nehmen und in das Feuer. nt

[FBaggins]

2. Hebezeug durch ihre eigene ...um... petard. n/t

[XemaSab]

3. Das Fett Glatzkopf sagt "D'oh".

n/t

[CJvR]

4. Well...

...I suppose they could stabilize the system by cutting the residential areas of the cities from the grid when it starts fluctuating. That is what the German people said they wanted after all.

[kristopher]

5. Sounds like a typical corporate attempt to promote greed over democratic environmental goals.

Threats of severe consequences for not letting dangerous industries have their way is new how?

[Yo_Mama]

6. How delightfully naive.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,792918,00.html

If you will read that article, you'll learn that in Germany, wind is big business and the large industrial cos and the utilities own a lot of it. Read all three pages. Pause to contemplate that Areva Wind is a division of Areva, which is, well, the big French nuclear co.
http://www.areva.com/EN/operations-412/areva-wind-design-assembly-manufacture-of-offshore-wind-turbines.html

The association's action is about fighting an effort by the administration to shunt more of the costs of green power to the companies because residential consumers in Germany are getting belted.

The association will win. That's how Germany works. Some of the large industrials lobbied hard for wind - but they never intended to pay for the cost of it in the rest of their operations! The transition Germany is attempting will be extremely costly, and the large industrials do not intend to see their competitive advantage eliminated.

When you get off on this meme, you merely add a comic motif to this discussion board.

[kristopher]

7. To echo your tone - what delightful pronuclear spin.

Yes wind is "big business" and yes many of the energy industries are investing in renewables. However the overall structure of an energy system built around renewables relegates the opportunities for companies like Areva to only a small fraction of that afforded them when they are in the far less competitive environment of a structure built around the natural monopoly of centralized thermal.

I just love the way you are always so ready to defend a lack of corporate ethics and their use of coercive tactics to ride roughshod over public norms. "Go nuclear", right?